make your own vinegar
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| 1 | I decided to start another thread on the subject. I had a vinegar mother given to me last year, feed it and feed it again on and off, never giving it much thought. It grew ,looked like after birth, or something similar. It sunk down in the jar and I was thinking it had died. pic to follow. pickles7 - 2009-10-02 14:45:00 |
| 2 | pic no 1 http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/10/106971810_full.jp pickles7 - 2009-10-02 14:47:00 |
| 3 | pic no 2 http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/86/106971886_full.jp pickles7 - 2009-10-02 14:47:00 |
| 4 | This morning I pickles7 - 2009-10-02 14:54:00 |
| 5 | I have now revived it putting it in a new jar of 2 parts white wine 1 part water. The same day I put the same wine water mixture in a dark bottle and added 4 Tablespoons of raw unfiltered apple cider vinegar with "The Mother. Two days on and it has a nice Mother growing, arround a teaspoon size. I will post a pic as soon as I get one. pickles7 - 2009-10-02 15:17:00 |
| 6 | This morning I jumped up and took a look at the must. Nothing has happened over night. I gave it a good stir up. That may help. I will get a turbo yeast going in a jar. That has a higher alcohol tolerance, that is what I am looking for. pickles7 - 2009-10-03 07:49:00 |
| 7 | no need for the turbo yeast, thank goodness I did not open a new satchet of it.I will put a pic up now of the new vinegar mother, # 5. pickles7 - 2009-10-03 09:46:00 |
| 8 | This morning I checked to see if all is progressing well. Didn't disturb, as all is good. My new vinegar mother is doing well.I am going to clean out an old black brewing barrel, I have been using in the garden to put the cider in, to turn into vinegar. Vinegar mother likes it in the dark. pickles7 - 2009-10-04 11:20:00 |
| 9 | Pickles, that is very interesting. Just a pity I couldn't understand a word of it. lol. Actually I know about the Mother in cider vinegar and I know about the Must that comes from grapes when making wine. The Must is brilliant for cooking proper sausage in. Just thought I'd like to share. I would be interested in making Cider vinegar this year but it looks very technical. So what materials do I need to gather together to be 'ready' for kick off? buzzy110 - 2009-10-04 16:29:00 |
| 10 | Hi buzzy not hard at all. You need to make cider first, then vinegar.I got my mother from adding raw cider vinegar in with some white wine and water. In less than 1 week it is smelling just like vinegar tasting like vinegar. I have 30 bottles of wine I intend to turn into vinegar that I made last year. It is the alcohol that is turned into vinegar. pickles7 - 2009-10-04 18:33:00 |
| 11 | This morning I took a look at my cider brewing away. The dog was nutting off at the sounds coming from the brewing vessel.I have poured three bottles of my home brewed wine, 2 bottles of water into a large clean vessel along with 5 Tablespoons of raw cider vinegar. I put a clean cotton bit of material over with an elastic band on to hold. That is going to sit in my airing cupboard. Dark and warm. pickles7 - 2009-10-05 09:12:00 |
| 12 | Pickles that is brilliant. However, I don't know a thing about making anything like cider and stuff. Can you recommend a good link with step by step instructions for dummies. Hopefully it will also include all the materials I will need such as brewing barrel (size), one way valves, types of bottles, sorts of sugars, yeast, etc. I do the sourdough thing am wondering if the yeast filled hooch wouldn't work well to start the fermentation process. Remember I only have till my apples ripen at the end of summer and I need to be prepared. buzzy110 - 2009-10-05 10:38:00 |
| 13 | Oh and by the way - your Mother looks disgusting. lol. Will I have to grow something like that? buzzy110 - 2009-10-05 10:41:00 |
| 14 | my mother is lovely. I am happy to keep her pickled. If you think she is nasty ,go look at google images of vinegar mothers.lol. You tube is very good, to find out stuff, I use it heaps. watch it being done.I have made wine for years now. I thought there would have been others who would have come on this journey with me. So far it has been easy, to get a vinegar mother growing. Having all the gear , I should make 23 liters of cider vinegar for just under 50cents a liter. Brewed the proper way. Next year I will juice my own apples. pickles7 - 2009-10-05 11:39:00 |
| 15 | This morning I tasted the brew I put down with the fruit flies, on the 29th September. tasted sour, I expect it will turn into vinegar, probably would have even without the flies.The bottle with the banana skin in is out side , I will go look at that later. Said to leave it for two weeks. pickles7 - 2009-10-06 08:01:00 |
| 16 | gee I have to go out side next.brrrrrrrrr. The cider is blurping flat out. The other jar I put the 50/50 wine and water in with the raw cider vinegar has a thin blanket, over the bottom. I will share a site I cannot tear myself from at times, it is; http://oneblockdiet.sunset.com/2008/04/ pickles7 - 2009-10-06 08:22:00 |
| 17 | This morning I could hear the blurping, as I went past the laundry.Still going very fast. Starting to wish I used tourbo yeast, it would have been done by now. pickles7 - 2009-10-07 07:56:00 |
| 18 | I have had a look at the banana skin, water and sugar brew in the glass house. mmmmm just looks merky, no flies, dosn't smell. T pickles7 - 2009-10-07 09:56:00 |
| 19 | the other jar with the flies in is a bit cloudy. Not intending to use , just curious pickles7 - 2009-10-07 10:11:00 |
| 20 | Your cryptic posts are keeping me enthralled pickles. Just wish I knew what it was you were talking about. buzzy110 - 2009-10-07 14:02:00 |
| 21 | for buzzy110 Here is a link to a clear description of the vinegar-making process. It's very simple....http://www.vinegarma- davidt4 - 2009-10-07 15:50:00 |
| 22 | yep I guess you are a bit confused,then. pickles7 - 2009-10-07 15:52:00 |
| 23 | thank you david. That page is bookmarked already for me when my apples ripen up. buzzy110 - 2009-10-07 16:58:00 |
| 24 | lol buzzy that site is one of many. Not one, I came across. I found it easier to start mine from making apple cider from a tin. No messing around. No wild yeasts, clean n easy. 23 liters no fuss. I do intend to make up a beer as well, It is better that it is made without the hops. I will malt my own barley, that will be another thread. Mind you I am lucky I have been making wines for years. Never had one turn to vinegar though. pickles7 - 2009-10-07 17:28:00 |
| 25 | no need to buy a book buzzy. so very easy really. First, make the alcohol, Make sure the alcohol is arround 6%. under and it will not be safe to use as a preservitive. over, and the vinegar mother may die. I will test mine after I have made it for acidity, as I am making vinegar, to make sauce. It has to be right. pickles7 - 2009-10-07 18:17:00 |
| 26 | This morning I could hear my cider brewing as I passed the laundry. I haven't opened the lid for a while now. I tend to leave well alone once fermentation has started, keeps it clean. The jar [ pics 2 & 3 ] with the original mother in has a nice white film over the top. I will get a pic later. Fruit flies jar is not doing a thing, got to thinking they had clean feet. The jar I put vinegar, water and raw cider vinegar in has continued to grow its own mother well.The jar in the hot water cupboard is not doing much yet, maybe the amount of raw cider was not enough for the volume of alcohol, 3 of wine to 2 of water, my wine tested out to be 14% when I bottled it last year. Really needed another bottle of water, I will have to look for something bigger. geez hubby is getting a bit titchy.Didn't like " bigger"lol. pickles7 - 2009-10-08 09:29:00 |
| 27 | cute, new way love it. pickles7 - 2009-10-08 10:10:00 |
| 28 | david, buzzy, I bumped up why I am making my own vinegar. When others try and make there pickles this year this will all make sence. pickles7 - 2009-10-08 10:23:00 |
| 29 | This is the pic of the original mother now. A mother developing . This is what all wine makers do not want to see in there wine, must. pickles7 - 2009-10-08 11:19:00 |
| 30 | pickles I appreciate you efforts to help but I need dummies type help. Instructing me to make alcohol is as clear as mud. I started a sour dough thread and in that I give clear and precise information with links for anyone else wanting to make sourdough as well. So I will step out of this thread and go on a hunt by myself. When I have mastered the technique I may pass that information on to other who may also want to make vinegar. Pity, because I was hoping to get ongoing help from an 'expert'. buzzy110 - 2009-10-08 13:37:00 |
| 31 | that is the way, I never rely on information on here without my own research. It scares me how some are prepared to offer advise, without the research. I am just giving an account of what is happening for anyone wishing to make vinegar. not just try and make. Like making wine ,the time, ingredients and effort put in should be rewarded, with what you set out to produce. If you are wanting to use your vinegar for pickles, then it must have the right acidity. If the alcohol does not come up to what I need to turn my cider into vinegar with the right acidity, I will distill some of my cider. pickles7 - 2009-10-08 18:33:00 |
| 32 | I have just been reading your posts and they are better than the book that I am present making. Your descriptions of turbo yeast, killing your original mother off, etc. makes for a good read. I am absolutely hopeless with all these technical bits. Years ago I made home made wine out of Aunt Daisy's cook book and that turned to vinegar. Please don't ask me how I made it? It was a complete mystery. My grandmother syphoned off for me and said it was the potheen I made and she was very very sick. ellymat - 2009-10-08 21:06:00 |
| 33 | Hi ellymat, pickles7 - 2009-10-08 21:33:00 |
| 34 | o my, pickles7 - 2009-10-08 21:59:00 |
| 35 | OK then, all is well in the brewing vessel. Still brewing way faster than I would have expected, the "must" had everything it needed, given that it came from a tin of concentrated apple cider, home brew ,from Meadowbrook, Australia. I live in Hawkes Bay. I will try and find some propper cider apples, for next season. pickles7 - 2009-10-09 09:01:00 |
| 36 | ellymat, found this site , re, your probable potheen, http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/117869194/abstrac pickles7 - 2009-10-09 09:04:00 |
| 37 | ellycat puttin it up for you. pickles7 - 2009-10-09 16:02:00 |
| 38 | pickles7 wrote: pickles7 - 2009-10-09 21:37:00 |
| 39 | A new pic of the jar that had the vinegar eels in. It has a thick cloud of something that looks like a tiny bit of cotton wool, teased out, with a solid mass under. It smells devine, just like the raw cider vinegar, before I added the 4 Tablspoons, to the 50/50 , wine, water mix. I will add this brew to my large lot in the airing cupboard today, along with another bottle of water. The alcohol level is too high. It has lots of air, can breath, its warm and the cupboard is dark. Everything has been provided for the vinegar eels to come on to do there work . http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/40/107895740_full.jp pickles7 - 2009-10-10 10:13:00 |
| 40 | The 23 liters of apple cider is nearing the final stage of brewing.I put it down on the 29th of September, it has been left undisturbed on a heat pad the entire time. It will remain undisturbed, a little longer. I took a pic of the larger vessel with the new mother after it was put in with the brew out of the airing cupboard. It was a little unclear, if I can get a better pic I will post it. There is 3 bottles of wine and three bottles of water in the vessel and it is only half full. Husband would rather have the wine, over vinegar, but as I make it, it is mine to do with, as I please. lol. I have to refrain from adding more. Keep us both happy. pirated my wine. pickles7 - 2009-10-11 07:24:00 |
| 41 | I have been making my own red wine vinegar for years. I keep feeding it and drawing some vinegar off as and when I need it. You shouldn't feed white wine, to a red wine mother. good on you for trying. You can always drink it. cider vinegar is very good for you. I may go with it I got real sick on kombucha tea. Cider vinegar is way safer. grinnbareit - 2009-10-11 13:06:00 |
| 42 | hi grinnbareit, I am into cider vinegar at the moment. must say I feel heaps better for it. I wouldn't even try kombucha tea. You should feel the benefits within 4 days, if you decide to drink cider vinegar. some put honey and water in it. I just swig on my bottle. Hubby has his bottle. Have you got one of those nice vinegar jars with the tap near the base?. I am going to get a hole cut into a thick 6 liter jar and have a tap put in. lol. may work , hubby thinks not. pickles7 - 2009-10-12 08:04:00 |
| 43 | This morning I tested the cider, the specific gravity is down to 1000 yaaa.Took 14 days. The cider, it is where I needed it to be. I will transfer it to the black barrel, pour 1 liter of raw cider vinegar in, tie a double muslin over the top, and watch closely, as I do not want a wild yeast to enter, via fruit flies. I am looking for the same taste as the vinegar from the culture I will introduce. Wild yeast will not always give the best tasting vinegar, too risky for me. Edited by pickles7 at 9:33 am, Tue 13 Oct pickles7 - 2009-10-13 09:31:00 |
| 44 | boo hoo, My jar smashed, I am pppppped off. I put plaster on the jar and prepped it well I thought. Husband wouldn't do it for me.lol tooooo risky, he said. I cleaned out an old fish bowl , ran janola in and over it. Should be OK to use now. But , no tap. I will post a pic later. pickles7 - 2009-10-15 10:33:00 |
| 45 | A pic of the fish bowl, I am brewing white wine vinegar in. 3 bottles of wine 3 bottles of water and raw cider vinegar. I would not brew vinegar using wild yeast. Some will make good vinegar but, it can go very wrong. Use raw vinegar,, that way you will be giving yourself the best chance. Vinegar mother like to be living in a warm dark spot. I have the bowl on a shelf, and keep her covered. http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/80/108457080_full.jp pickles7 - 2009-10-18 07:32:00 |
| 46 | So pickles what sort of device you you need to measure gravity? Would I just get one from a brewing shop maybe? Edited by buzzy110 at 10:13 am, Sun 18 Oct buzzy110 - 2009-10-18 10:12:00 |
| 47 | Yes buzzy - it is called a hydrometer and you can buy them from a brew shop or from Trademe. Just make sure you know how to make the cider, the rest is just air - you do NOT need a mother of vinegar - and you certainly do NOT want vinegar "eels" in the stuff either. Some people seem not to realise that they are actually nematodes - and I personally wouldn't like to ingest millions of them ... It is a bit like sourdough and turbo bread - you can do it slow or fast. I do the slow method and the mother actually forms itself and covers the top of the container. Some fruit flies are ok too, they can be filtered out. As to the "interesting" theory that they bring in "new" yeasts which are unwelcome - welcome to realty where yeasts abound on the apples you are using and in the air in such quantities that you can use them to even make a sourdough from scratch LOL uli - 2009-10-18 10:26:00 |
| 48 | buzzy... you can buy most everything you need from bin inn. I would also buy something to sterilise your apple juice with, prior to making the cider, you intend to turn into vinegar. I sterilise all my juices before making wine. Maybe the reason I have never had a brew turn into vinegar. Turbo gold, is a high alcohol fast working yeast , given the right conditions. May be ....uli....is on another mission. This site should help in the understanding of the work vinegar eels do in the production of a good vinegar. Cheers pickles7 - 2009-10-18 19:54:00 |
| 49 | Go look in here.. easy to understand......well, for some, lol. Edited by pickles7 at 8:51 pm, Sun 18 Oct pickles7 - 2009-10-18 20:51:00 |
| 50 | Pickles - Vinegar "eels" are not permitted in vinegar to be sold - according to health regulations. Why do you insist on promoting such a stupid website? I am not sure what your scientific background is, but it seems not very well researched at all what you bring into this thread. To "buy something" to sterilize the juice with ... is utter crap. I am making wine and vinegar since decades and have yet to sterilize anything. Why would you? Before commercial yeasts one used the yeasts present on the fruit - I still do it this way every year - I just apples and nothing else - and it works very well. uli - 2009-10-18 22:08:00 |
