Are we allowed to ask to see vaccination cert/papers before allowing entry to say landlord? And any other's? What rights on this do tenants have? If it is non essential and they are not in one's bubble/s Interested please :)

anne1955 - 2021-10-13 12:28:00

What an awesome excuse!
Perhaps we could charge a higher rent?

pcle - 2021-10-13 12:34:00

I always thought you were in the South Island OP, where they are at alert level 2 and don't have to restrict stuff to 'non-essential'.

desi1969 - 2021-10-13 13:13:00

anne1955 wrote:

Are we allowed to ask to see vaccination cert/papers before allowing entry to say landlord? And any other's? What rights on this do tenants have? If it is non essential and they are not in one's bubble/s Interested please :)

Lets turn it around - how would people feel about any contactors/landlords wanting to know the vaccination status of tenants before they will undertake work/let them rent ?

maddie44 - 2021-10-13 13:19:00

Level 2 still has restrictions on it We haven't got a get out of jail free card here and I don't want to be exposing myself lol to unvarnished people and that includes for me a family member :)

anne1955 - 2021-10-13 13:49:00

maddie44 wrote:

Lets turn it around - how would people feel about any contactors/landlords wanting to know the vaccination status of tenants before they will undertake work/let them rent ?

They should be allowed that option

anne1955 - 2021-10-13 13:50:00

That must surely be a valid reason for a 90 day eviction.

pcle - 2021-10-13 14:24:00

anne1955 wrote:

Level 2 still has restrictions on it We haven't got a get out of jail free card here and I don't want to be exposing myself lol to unvarnished people and that includes for me a family member :)

Gotta watch those unvarnished folks. The do tend to take the gloss off things.

sparkychap - 2021-10-13 14:27:00

anne1955 wrote:

Level 2 still has restrictions on it We haven't got a get out of jail free card here and I don't want to be exposing myself lol to unvarnished people and that includes for me a family member :)

But you mentioned you 'non-essential' reasons, but level 2 doesn't have those stipulations.

So is what you are really saying that you just want to know if you can say No to your landlord, property manager and any and all service contractors that they send, entering your property, regardless of the alert level in your area, if they are not and can not prove to you, they are vaccinated - and you are hoping that you can find some legislation to support that???

desi1969 - 2021-10-13 17:36:00

Just make the damned Vax compulsory for everyone! Much simpler!

sparkychap - 2021-10-13 18:05:00

desi1969 wrote:

I always thought you were in the South Island OP, where they are at alert level 2 and don't have to restrict stuff to 'non-essential'.

Segue alert: Can anyone please explain why the South Island is not down to level one already?

thumbs647 - 2021-10-14 06:19:00

thumbs647 wrote:

Segue alert: Can anyone please explain why the South Island is not down to level one already?

The reason I heard Jacinda give in one of her 1pm media shows, was that it wouldn't be fair for areas where there has been no covid in the last few outbreaks to be able to have no restrictions because it has been very hard for Auckland to have the worst lockdowns
A bit like grounding all your kids because one of them has been naughty

kateley - 2021-10-14 07:21:00

thumbs647 wrote:

Segue alert: Can anyone please explain why the South Island is not down to level one already?

because you have covid or the chance of it because of all the incursions by potential infested persons from North island.

gabbysnana - 2021-10-14 10:20:00

kateley wrote:

The reason I heard Jacinda give in one of her 1pm media shows, was that it wouldn't be fair for areas where there has been no covid in the last few outbreaks to be able to have no restrictions because it has been very hard for Auckland to have the worst lockdowns
A bit like grounding all your kids because one of them has been naughty

Right, gotcha.....
Or the teacher that has been out of the classroom briefly, upon returning says, I heard talking, who was it? own up! and when no one does, the whole class gets detention.

thumbs647 - 2021-10-14 11:00:00

gabbysnana wrote:

because you have covid or the chance of it because of all the incursions by potential infested persons from North island.

So Aucklanders like to play in others sandpits?

thumbs647 - 2021-10-14 11:03:00

sparkychap wrote:

Gotta watch those unvarnished folks. The do tend to take the gloss off things.

I'd rather they were unvarnished, nothing worse than guests showing up lacquered.

apollo11 - 2021-10-14 11:07:00

thumbs647 wrote:

Segue alert: Can anyone please explain why the South Island is not down to level one already?

Been explained over and over
Having level 2 in the rest of the country gave an extra level of protection in the situation a Covid-19 case left Auckland

maddie44 - 2021-10-14 11:08:00

thumbs647 wrote:

So Aucklanders like to play in others sandpits?

Yeah, idiots like these two...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/126678256/police-arre
st-two-women-in-blenheim-after-allegedly-travelling-from-auc
kland

tormore - 2021-10-14 11:30:00

The OP's question is interesting... can you / could you say to your landlord or property manager that you are not comfortable / will not permit anybody who is not vax'ed into your bubble, i.e. under take an inspection..

onl_148 - 2021-10-14 12:34:00

I have just found this on Tenancy Services website.

Alert Level 3

In-person inspections of rental properties can take place with the tenants consent as long as public health measures are followed including physical distancing, record keeping and mask wearing.

Landlords and tenants should discuss and agree on whether in person inspections are necessary. Tenants who have genuine concerns about access into their home during this time should talk to their landlord. If the inspection is not urgent, landlords and tenants may agree to postpone the inspection to a later date.

crafters_corner - 2021-10-14 13:41:00

Prospective tenants need to be vaccinated. This extends to all others living there as well as their visitors.

Edited by keys at 8:48 pm, Thu 14 Oct

keys - 2021-10-14 20:47:00

keys wrote:

Prospective tenants need to be vaccinated. This extends to all others living there as well as their visitors.

But for an extra $100pw each all comers welcome.

pcle - 2021-10-14 21:52:00

The viral load is the same vaccinated/unvaccinated. All of this is pointless.

sweetgurl108 - 2021-10-18 11:46:00

sweetgurl108 wrote:

The viral load is the same vaccinated/unvaccinated. All of this is pointless.

After all this time and all the information available that is all you have taken on?
How about how the vaccinated are not contagious for as long, are less likely to catch it, so less likely to spread it and are also less likely to become seriously /fatally ill.

maddie44 - 2021-10-18 11:59:00

I am actually unsure why anyone is feeling so threatened by an unvaccinated person, just to be clear I am very pro-vax. The only danger with an un vaccinated person is to themselves, everyone can catch and transmit covid anyway, just those who are vaccinated have a higher level of protection and won't get as sick. You are just as likely to catch it from another person regardless of their jab status. This country will open up at some point and all of us will at some point have covid, chances are more than once so why all the fear? Such a large number of people who choose not to take the vax is like natural selection, just let nature take its course.

sellontrademe - 2021-10-18 15:21:00

sellontrademe wrote:

I am actually unsure why anyone is feeling so threatened by an unvaccinated person, just to be clear I am very pro-vax. The only danger with an un vaccinated person is to themselves, everyone can catch and transmit covid anyway, just those who are vaccinated have a higher level of protection and won't get as sick. You are just as likely to catch it from another person regardless of their jab status. This country will open up at some point and all of us will at some point have covid, chances are more than once so why all the fear? Such a large number of people who choose not to take the vax is like natural selection, just let nature take its course.

But if a non-vaccimated person passed Covid onto a person who wasn't able to be vaccinated - for example to an immune compromised child under the age of 12 - the consequences to that child might be awful

Edited by jascas at 3:37 pm, Mon 18 Oct

jascas - 2021-10-18 15:36:00

jascas wrote:

But if a non-vaccimated person passed Covid onto a person who wasn't able to be vaccinated - for example to an immune compromised child under the age of 12 - the consequences to that child might be awful

A vaccinated person can pass it on to the same child though with the same results. I still am not seeing your point.

sellontrademe - 2021-10-18 15:38:00

jascas wrote:

But if a non-vaccimated person passed Covid onto a person who wasn't able to be vaccinated - for example to an immune compromised child under the age of 12 - the consequences to that child might be awful

Children die all the time from various causes but their chances of dying from Covid are very slim. In fact not a single child has died from Covid in New Zealand. You’ve been scare-mongered to death.

committed - 2021-10-18 20:38:00

committed wrote:

Children die all the time from various causes but their chances of dying from Covid are very slim. In fact not a single child has died from Covid in New Zealand. You’ve been scare-mongered to death.

a baby did in starship, thanks to its fathers gang banging.

gabbysnana - 2021-10-19 12:19:00

gabbysnana wrote:

a baby did in starship, thanks to its fathers gang banging.

how many fathers did the baby have? Or is paternity unclear because of the gang bang?

sparkychap - 2021-10-19 12:22:00

sellontrademe wrote:

I am actually unsure why anyone is feeling so threatened by an unvaccinated person, just to be clear I am very pro-vax. The only danger with an un vaccinated person is to themselves, everyone can catch and transmit covid anyway, just those who are vaccinated have a higher level of protection and won't get as sick.

actually no. what you have said is totally anti-vax, its standard anti-vax argument.

officially vaccinated people reduce covid transmission by 75%.
there is typical a grain of truth with anti-vaxers, vaccinated people do still catch covid.
but the bit they leave out is vaccinated people are not infectious for as long, hence do not spread it around so much.

that makes sense, all vaccination does is tells your body how to fight it. you catch it, it takes a little while for your body to get going but then kills it a lot quicker than if you where unvaccinated. hence why you also don't get as sick. you heal up quicker so your spreading it around a lot less.

unvaccinated people are more like super spreaders, they are the ones that will spread it the most, which in turn will keep us in lockdown.

tweake - 2021-10-19 12:33:00

sellontrademe wrote:

I am actually unsure why anyone is feeling so threatened by an unvaccinated person, just to be clear I am very pro-vax. The only danger with an un vaccinated person is to themselves, everyone can catch and transmit covid anyway, just those who are vaccinated have a higher level of protection and won't get as sick. You are just as likely to catch it from another person regardless of their jab status. This country will open up at some point and all of us will at some point have covid, chances are more than once so why all the fear? Such a large number of people who choose not to take the vax is like natural selection, just let nature take its course.

Weird that you're apparently "pro-vax" and yet have it so wrong.

Vaccinated people are less likely to contract the virus, are less likely to be as sick and are less likely to pass it on.

Perhaps you'd like to look up how 'herd immunity' works i.e. how we all being vaccinated works to also protect those who *cannot* have the vaccine as well.

loose.unit8 - 2021-10-19 12:54:00

tweake wrote:

actually no. what you have said is totally anti-vax, its standard anti-vax argument.

officially vaccinated people reduce covid transmission by 75%.
there is typical a grain of truth with anti-vaxers, vaccinated people do still catch covid.
but the bit they leave out is vaccinated people are not infectious for as long, hence do not spread it around so much.

that makes sense, all vaccination does is tells your body how to fight it. you catch it, it takes a little while for your body to get going but then kills it a lot quicker than if you where unvaccinated. hence why you also don't get as sick. you heal up quicker so your spreading it around a lot less.

unvaccinated people are more like super spreaders, they are the ones that will spread it the most, which in turn will keep us in lockdown.

But that's only if the unvaccinated person has covid. An unvaccinated person without covid does not spread anything.

muppet_slayer - 2021-10-19 12:58:00

You pro vaxxers are doing as much scaremongering as the anti vaxxers.

muppet_slayer - 2021-10-19 13:04:00

You might even be worse because you don't even want to be around people who don't have the virus.

muppet_slayer - 2021-10-19 13:06:00

and anyway if you've been vaccinated why are you scared of catching covid.......aren't you protected from it.......or are you not sure if the vax will give you the protection?

muppet_slayer - 2021-10-19 13:15:00

loose.unit8 wrote:

Weird that you're apparently "pro-vax" and yet have it so wrong.

Vaccinated people are less likely to contract the virus, are less likely to be as sick and are less likely to pass it on.

Perhaps you'd like to look up how 'herd immunity' works i.e. how we all being vaccinated works to also protect those who *cannot* have the vaccine as well.

Some good points there, I will definitely look into, thank you for the information. I am happy that I am vaccinated and would love for everyone else also to make themselves as protected as possible too

sellontrademe - 2021-10-19 16:15:00

anne1955 wrote:

Are we allowed to ask to see vaccination cert/papers before allowing entry to say landlord? And any other's? What rights on this do tenants have? If it is non essential and they are not in one's bubble/s Interested please :)

tenants have the rights of owners and can let in or keep out who they like . A landlord must give notice of intention to visit you.

I suggest if you were objecting to letting the landlord in you are either a Pratt or you need to get vaccinated. Land lords do have rights too. They may over ride yours.

Edited by spead at 4:46 pm, Tue 19 Oct

spead - 2021-10-19 16:43:00

spead wrote:

tenants have the rights of owners and can let in or keep out who they like . A landlord must give notice of intention to visit you.

I suggest if you were objecting to letting the landlord in you are either a Pratt or you need to get vaccinated. Land lords do have rights too. They may over ride yours.

Landlords need either permission to enter OR have to give a certain amount of notice to enter.

sellontrademe - 2021-10-19 16:47:00

jascas wrote:

But if a non-vaccimated person passed Covid onto a person who wasn't able to be vaccinated - for example to an immune compromised child under the age of 12 - the consequences to that child might be awful

There was a piece recently that only about 100 people in NZ wont be able to have the vaccine for medical reasons, so there must be a lot of myths circulating the social media pages.

mrcat1 - 2021-10-19 19:54:00

sparkychap wrote:

how many fathers did the baby have? Or is paternity unclear because of the gang bang?

known in the trade as the “immaculate deception”

princess52 - 2021-10-19 19:57:00

pcle wrote:

That must surely be a valid reason for a 90 day eviction.

ropmsl

payntr - 2021-10-19 20:01:00

committed wrote:

Children die all the time from various causes but their chances of dying from Covid are very slim. In fact not a single child has died from Covid in New Zealand. You’ve been scare-mongered to death.

NZ is not a ' Real world example' of the spread of Covid and its consequences.
Even the rest of the world, or even the worst example of it, isnt a ' real world' example as actions have been taken, ( and largely succeeded in NZ ) against the spread of Covid.

There are plenty of examples of children dying of Covid.
I'm not sure, but I can think of a reason, why you would think that it could not happen in NZ.
I am sure, that from your way of thinking, that Covid also hasn't killed anybody over the age of 98 & so the chances of that happening are equally low.

marte - 2021-10-19 21:09:00

mrcat1 wrote:

There was a piece recently that only about 100 people in NZ wont be able to have the vaccine for medical reasons, so there must be a lot of myths circulating the social media pages.

There's actually thousands who don't need the vaxx. All those who've actually had the Wuhan lurgy.

pcle - 2021-10-20 07:14:00

pcle wrote:

There's actually thousands who don't need the vaxx. All those who've actually had the Wuhan lurgy.

You are wrong, there are people who have gotten covid more than once!
Stop spreading false information, and get vaccinated.

elliven - 2021-10-20 09:06:00

elliven wrote:

You are wrong, there are people who have gotten covid more than once!
Stop spreading false information, and get vaccinated.

Don't think you understood what was said.

artemis - 2021-10-20 10:35:00

mrcat1 wrote:

There was a piece recently that only about 100 people in NZ wont be able to have the vaccine for medical reasons, so there must be a lot of myths circulating the social media pages.

100 people aged 12+.
No vaccine is yet approved for children aged 0 - 11 years.

luteba - 2021-10-20 15:48:00

To answer the original question, rather than getting dragged into a vax debate:

anne1955 wrote:

Are we allowed to ask to see vaccination cert/papers before allowing entry to say landlord?

No, because the landlord has a right of entry under the RTA

anne1955 wrote:

And any others?

Yes, unless they are agents of the landlord who have a right of entry under the RTA (that may include tradespeople working on their behalf).

anne1955 wrote:

What rights on this do tenants have?

You do have the right to refuse entry to anyone not otherwise legally entitled to be on the property.

anne1955 wrote:

If it is non essential and they are not in one's bubble/s Interested please :)

Are you in Auckland (at Level 3)? Or elsewhere in the country? At Level 3, see the above quote from the TS website. If you're elsewhere in the country, then it's business as usual from a tenancy point of view.

Also, is anyone else getting a really weird effect when they type, where the cursor sits a letter to the left of where it should be?

luteba - 2021-10-20 15:55:00

luteba wrote:

Also, is anyone else getting a really weird effect when they type, where the cursor sits a letter to the left of where it should be?

Not me.

sparkychap - 2021-10-20 16:43:00

muppet_slayer wrote:

and anyway if you've been vaccinated why are you scared of catching covid.......aren't you protected from it.......or are you not sure if the vax will give you the protection?

We are talking about landlords and house inspections. That means that they come inside the house, and that isn't allowed.

I've had both vax's, and still feel a little unsafe, partly because I have an underlying health condition, and partly because I don't know (does anyone?) if we are fully protected. I don't necessarily trust everything I am told about this, and I'm a Labour supporter, and I'm pro vax.

crafters_corner - 2021-10-20 16:51:00