Benefits of 5ghz vs 2.5ghz wifi? How good is Mesh?
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| 1 | Hi guys, Our ISP has offered us a mesh wifi unit that broadcasts on both 2.5ghz and 5ghz bands. Are there benefits to 5ghz over 2.5ghz? We have some older devices that only connect to 2.5ghz, and have an existing 2.5ghz repeater. Now weighing up if mesh unit is worth the hassle, as only advantage seems to be offering 5ghz bandwidth further than the existing 2 5ghz repeater does currently. Any thoughts? sooby - 2021-07-29 20:47:00 |
| 2 | 5Ghz is much faster but distance and walls etc don't do it any favors. ETA: A lot depends on the devices you have. For instance Hubbys phone Edited by nice_lady at 8:59 pm, Thu 29 Jul nice_lady - 2021-07-29 20:51:00 |
| 3 | You can use either or both. Hubby's phone can connect to both at the same time. Best of both????. The 5Ghz is great within a short range. nice_lady - 2021-07-29 20:53:00 |
| 4 | This is what my wifi 'properties' say. 2.4 ghz (transmit/receive) 144/144 mbps 5 ghz (transmit/receive) 866/866 mbps says it all really. I use 5 ghz and my laptop is right beside the router. muppet_slayer - 2021-07-29 21:16:00 |
| 5 | Do you have a cell phone? You may have noticed the difference between 3g, 4g, and 5g (if it's in your area and have a compatible phone.) Wifi is the same. 5g is very fast but fades fast. I only get a good 5g signal in the 2 rooms closest to the router, then it switches to 2.4g further away and outside. If you can get 5g always go for it. Kinda like the difference between dialup and fibre. Well not that extreme perhaps, but the idea is the same. Even if you don't currently have many 5g compatible devices it's worth future proofing for when you do IMO. callum.irvine - 2021-07-29 21:33:00 |
| 6 | It might be faster in theory, but as the signal doesn't travel so well, you may end up with dropped packets etc. thus slowing it down. tygertung - 2021-07-30 07:56:00 |
| 7 | Mesh is great if you use wifi. lythande1 - 2021-07-30 08:32:00 |
| 8 | muppet_slayer wrote:
No, it doesn't say it all actually. Specifically, it doesn't say that long wavelength EM penetrates matter much better than shorter ones, which they do. So signal strength falls off much more sharply with the 5Ghz signal as compared to the 2.4Ghz over the same distance if there are walls and floors in the way. ronaldo8 - 2021-07-30 11:58:00 |
| 9 | ronaldo8 wrote: and? muppet_slayer - 2021-07-30 12:20:00 |
| 10 | sooby wrote:
I got the Vodafone mesh ones , work perfectly and no loss signal 5G or 2.4G through out the house , speeds are well over 800Mbps on 5G docpc - 2021-07-30 12:39:00 |
| 11 | lythande1 wrote: yes it does sound great especially if you're in a brick or concrete walled house. muppet_slayer - 2021-07-30 12:40:00 |
| 12 | muppet_slayer wrote:
You require a diagram? ronaldo8 - 2021-07-30 13:29:00 |
| 13 | muppet_slayer wrote:
Bollocks. Mesh is a solution for people who refuse to provide a solution using any effort or money. And the last solution I would consider for any concrete walled house. How can wifi backhaul be better than running cable (and installing an access point in area)?? It isn't, that simple. Edited by spyware at 1:34 pm, Fri 30 Jul spyware - 2021-07-30 13:33:00 |
| 14 | spyware wrote: Did I say it was better? muppet_slayer - 2021-07-30 13:40:00 |
| 15 | spyware wrote: I said it sounds great I didn't say it was the perfect solution! muppet_slayer - 2021-07-30 13:41:00 |
| 16 | ronaldo8 wrote: and? muppet_slayer - 2021-07-30 13:42:00 |
| 17 | spyware wrote:
HO Ho I was waiting for our resident Anti Wifi Evangelist to arrive. There are many situations where cabling is not practical. And wifi does indeed work well if it's correctly done. I refer you to post #10 - a happy customer indeed. Your 'bollocks' are definitely just that - bollocks. Edited by nice_lady at 1:46 pm, Fri 30 Jul nice_lady - 2021-07-30 13:45:00 |
| 18 | Huh where have they gone all of a sudden LOL muppet_slayer - 2021-07-30 14:26:00 |
| 19 | nice_lady wrote: Our house is long, we have a hallway that is at least 10 metres long, most rooms are off the hallway. We have the perfect house for wifi that we don't actually need to add an extra system but if we were too then it would be the mesh system. muppet_slayer - 2021-07-30 16:28:00 |
| 20 | And the internal walls are concrete?? spyware - 2021-07-30 16:36:00 |
| 21 | muppet_slayer wrote:
And your statement "says it all really" is factually inaccurate. ronaldo8 - 2021-07-30 17:59:00 |
| 22 | ronaldo8 wrote: No it isn't. Depends on the interpretation of "says it all really" and without mentioning anything else the speeds I quoted are accurate LOL Edited by muppet_slayer at 8:30 pm, Fri 30 Jul muppet_slayer - 2021-07-30 20:27:00 |
| 23 | ronaldo8 wrote: The fact you have crayons "says it all really" Bahahahahaha... muppet_slayer - 2021-07-30 20:31:00 |
| 24 | muppet_slayer wrote: OK throwing my 2 cents in... if there is any interpretation required for "says it all really", then it doesn't really say it all. king1 - 2021-07-30 20:50:00 |
| 25 | muppet_slayer wrote: Fixed for the benefit of all concerned... king1 - 2021-07-30 20:53:00 |
| 26 | king1 wrote: Do I have to spell it out for you. One speed is considerably faster than the other so it "says it all really" muppet_slayer - 2021-07-30 20:55:00 |
| 27 | I never said anything else. It is you lot who are interpreting it to mean what you want it to mean. I just mentioned the speed with no other factors. muppet_slayer - 2021-07-30 20:59:00 |
| 28 | muppet_slayer wrote: nope, your assertion says nothing about the range being considerably less, so it does not "says it all really". It says one is potentially faster than the other but that's it... Edited by king1 at 9:43 pm, Fri 30 Jul king1 - 2021-07-30 21:41:00 |
| 29 | king1 wrote: Whatever. muppet_slayer - 2021-07-30 21:43:00 |
| 30 | muppet_slayer wrote: my logic is undeniable king1 - 2021-07-30 21:44:00 |
| 31 | king1 wrote: Whatever. muppet_slayer - 2021-07-30 21:47:00 |
| 32 | king1 wrote: It was not an assertion because I used 'really' after 'says it all'. If I meant 'says it all' I would have put 'says it all', and then you'd have your assertion but I said 'says it all really' which brings other factors into play, like doubt. Does that sit better with you oh wise one? Edited by muppet_slayer at 9:55 pm, Fri 30 Jul muppet_slayer - 2021-07-30 21:52:00 |
| 33 | muppet_slayer wrote: grasping at straws with that one I feel, but i'll let you have it... king1 - 2021-07-30 22:16:00 |
| 34 | So what have we (I) learned.... 5ghz has a short wave and is superior over 2.4ghz speed but is limited to one room (the room the router is in) and signal drops off sharply when going to other parts of the house because the short waves do not penetrate the walls like 2.4ghz can. 2.4ghz has a longer wave and penetrates the walls better, is slower but is superior when further away from the router in other parts of the house. I have learned something so not a waste of a thread by being hijacked somewhat. muppet_slayer - 2021-07-30 22:34:00 |
| 35 | spyware wrote: bitsnpieces2020 - 2021-07-30 22:35:00 |
| 36 | It must be a real pain to have to have a router in every room. And you would have to have some kind of special system if they are going to all have the same SSID. tygertung - 2021-07-31 08:25:00 |
| 37 | tygertung wrote: bitsnpieces2020 - 2021-08-01 21:31:00 |
| 38 | Mesh eh? I suppose you'd need to have identical routers to rig it up? tygertung - 2021-08-01 23:53:00 |
| 39 | Well you can make your own 'mesh' if you want. Hubby setup an old Asus router he has with DDWRT and it works as a wifi repeater and gives him wifi connectivity at the other end of the house. It picks up the on the 2.4Ghz signal from our lounge, (it's a bit old so doesn't do 5Ghz), and then retransmits it. It's a kinda 'mesh' deivce. And it's certainly not identical to either of the other two routers we have. Edited by nice_lady at 7:20 am, Mon 2 Aug nice_lady - 2021-08-02 07:19:00 |
| 40 | Same SSID? That would be handy. I have two SSIDs on my network here as we have two routers. I looked up DDWRT and it says "DD-WRT is Linux-based firmware for wireless routers and access points. " tygertung - 2021-08-02 08:09:00 |
| 41 | tygertung wrote:
Each network should typically only have one router, a router routes between networks, e.g., internet and a single LAN network as provided by toy ISP router, and has nothing to do with the wifi bit. spyware - 2021-08-02 08:29:00 |
| 42 | tygertung wrote: mrfxit - 2021-08-02 08:30:00 |
| 43 | nice_lady wrote: mrfxit - 2021-08-02 08:32:00 |
| 44 | tygertung wrote:
The repeater router uses the same SSID as the 2.4Ghz signal it's repeating. We do have two SSID's though as the 5Ghz one uses a different SSID. Makes them easy to differentiate. Edited by nice_lady at 8:48 am, Mon 2 Aug nice_lady - 2021-08-02 08:42:00 |
| 45 | mrfxit wrote:
Well Yeah Dave. It's just a name someones invented to grab attention in the marketing of their product(s). Good idea. nice_lady - 2021-08-02 08:43:00 |
| 46 | spyware wrote:
Most likely. There must be a difference between the modem and a router. The way I see it (could be wrong), is that the modem gets the internet signal and interprets it into something the LAN can use and a router can just distribute the LAN. I've got two routers plugged into my modem for two WIFI networks (the TP link gives better WIFI than the Netcomm router) tygertung - 2021-08-02 09:11:00 |
| 47 | Oh well we've got the Spark Huawei HG630b modem, (as it's referred to as on the Spark page), is plugged into the ONT. The Asus router picks up the 2.4ghz signal from it. We also have a Samsung branded Router which is plugged into the Huawei and is for our 5Ghz wifi. nice_lady - 2021-08-02 09:33:00 |
| 48 | tygertung wrote: All much the same really. They do some really smart stuff thats all automated, and something you probably can't get with a mix & match system. Edited by bitsnpieces2020 at 11:21 am, Mon 2 Aug bitsnpieces2020 - 2021-08-02 11:16:00 |
| 49 | tygertung wrote:
I have 3 routers on my network at home, 2 are in the house at each end, and one in the shed, main does the DHCP, other 2 have DHCP turned off, so gets IP from first Router. So wireless all around the place for the phones etc. swivel - 2021-08-02 12:27:00 |
