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$82 a week just for rates. Just so a bunch of overpaid a ???? s can shuffle a bit of paper around their desk in between coffee breaks.

For those of you who maths isn’t a strong point, that’s $4200 a year, just for a 910sqm section and standard house. No wonder people are living in house trucks.

No wonder the young are giving up jobs and applying for emergency accommodation. No hope for anyone. If ya don’t beat them ya may as well join em.

lakeview3 - 2021-07-26 15:54:00
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Oh and if you were wondering, that’s $536 more than what it was last year.

lakeview3 - 2021-07-26 16:09:00
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May as well give up and go apply for emergency housing. No incentive to work any more when we have these bureaucratic a ???? s ripping us blind and getting sweet f all in return.

Can see why young people can’t be bothered. No future for them at the rate they are being indebted.

lakeview3 - 2021-07-26 16:12:00
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What's an extra $85 a week when you have a lake view ?

houseofdad - 2021-07-26 16:19:00
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houseofdad wrote:

What's an extra $85 a week when you have a lake view ?

that was a previous house and anyway many houses in this town have views of the lake.

Let’s face it it’s literally $85 a week to rent your own house.

lakeview3 - 2021-07-26 16:25:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

$82 a week just for rates. Just so a bunch of overpaid a ???? s can shuffle a bit of paper around their desk in between coffee breaks.

For those of you who maths isn’t a strong point, that’s $4200 a year, just for a 910sqm section and standard house. No wonder people are living in house trucks.

No wonder the young are giving up jobs and applying for emergency accommodation. No hope for anyone. If ya don’t beat them ya may as well join em.

Oh for goodness sake, that is not the reason people give up jobs and apply for emergency accommodation lol

I can think of lots of things that our rates pay for, all the local parks I use the libraries etc I'd happily pay $50 a week for.... I do think there is money wasted too, but keep it in perspective. Rates in bigger cities are cheaper, there's something Auckland got on you because we pay nearly $3900 for a 400 square meter house on 8014 squares section.

Edited by heather902 at 4:26 pm, Mon 26 Jul

heather902 - 2021-07-26 16:26:00
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heather902 wrote:

Oh for goodness sake, that is not the reason people give up jobs and apply for emergency accommodation lol

I can think of lots of things that our rates pay for, all the local parks I use the libraries etc I'd happily pay $50 a week for.... I do think there is money wasted too, but keep it in perspective. Rates in bigger cities are cheaper, there's something Auckland got on you because we pay nearly $3900 for a 400 square meter house on 8014 squares section.

don’t be too smug, they are coming for your rates next.

lakeview3 - 2021-07-26 16:27:00
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$4200 is quite a lot, especially for what you get in return, people complain here in Auckland about rates, but we actually pay quite a bit less it seems than the regional areas for houses worth a lot more.

mikek - 2021-07-26 16:28:00
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mikek wrote:

$4200 is quite a lot, especially for what you get in return, people complain here in Auckland about rates, but we actually pay quite a bit less it seems than the regional areas for houses worth a lot more.

yes I used to live in Auckland so I know.

When I first moved here 20 years ago my rates were $950 a year, back when our council and mayor were decent people with morals, respectfully spending our hard earned money. Given that inflation has been historically low over this period, they cannot justify these increases at all.

lakeview3 - 2021-07-26 16:31:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

don’t be too smug, they are coming for your rates next.

I'm not smug at all, I expect to be annoyed at the next increase, but i'm not going to get hysterical about it, because rates do pay for a lot of necessary services.

heather902 - 2021-07-26 16:34:00
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heather902 wrote:

Oh for goodness sake, that is not the reason people give up jobs and apply for emergency accommodation lol
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No it isn't but it is the exact attitude of many who couldn't see the value of buying their own home and renting instead. Remember that stupid economist who encouraged people to rent and then complained like hell about landlords selling up or putting rent up and decided to buy so his family had security and had a heck of a job finding something lol.

maddie44 - 2021-07-26 16:34:00
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maddie44 wrote:


No it isn't but it is the exact attitude of many who couldn't see the value of buying their own home and renting instead. Remember that stupid economist who encouraged people to rent and then complained like hell about landlords selling up or putting rent up and decided to buy so his family had security and had a heck of a job finding something lol.

yeah f it, at the end of the day that person who never owned a house, maybe didn’t work is probably going to end up next to me in the nursing home except all their expenses will be paid for by the mugs who tried to get ahead. What’s the point in working for anything anymore?

I give up.

lakeview3 - 2021-07-26 16:43:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

yes I used to live in Auckland so I know.

When I first moved here 20 years ago my rates were $950 a year, back when our council and mayor were decent people with morals, respectfully spending our hard earned money. Given that inflation has been historically low over this period, they cannot justify these increases at all.

Our rates were ~$1200/year when we built our house in 2007, same house 14 years later is now ~$4200, nothing else has gone up at that rate, sure as hell not incomes! Rotorua council sure know how to spend.

rowlf - 2021-07-26 16:44:00
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rowlf wrote:

Our rates were ~$1200/year when we built our house in 2007, same house 14 years later is now ~$4200, nothing else has gone up at that rate, sure as hell not incomes! Rotorua council sure know how to spend.

they are nothing short of irresponsible robbers.

Wait until this water takeover, that will add another $1000 a year .

These people have lost all sense of reality.

lakeview3 - 2021-07-26 16:46:00
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Oh and if you don’t pay on time? 10%penalty

lakeview3 - 2021-07-26 16:56:00
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Try $4753 for local body and $794 for regional council, Hamilton City Council.$107.00 a week.

gabbysnana - 2021-07-26 17:05:00
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gabbysnana wrote:

Try $4753 for local body and $794 for regional council, Hamilton City Council.$107.00 a week.

whats the CV or GV or RV or whatever the feck they call it these days?

Ours is $760K although homes.co has it at over $900K and a much smaller house not far from us has just sold for $880K

lakeview3 - 2021-07-26 17:10:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

whats the CV or GV or RV or whatever the feck they call it these days?

Ours is $760K although homes.co has it at over $900K and a much smaller house not far from us has just sold for $880K

land value is $455k, wasteful council with ego projects.

gabbysnana - 2021-07-26 17:23:00
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mikek wrote:

$4200 is quite a lot, especially for what you get in return, people complain here in Auckland about rates, but we actually pay quite a bit less it seems than the regional areas for houses worth a lot more.


That is an interesting comment. is that including all council costs- rates, water stormwater,sewage.... I ask because ...December 08, 2020
https://www.ratepayersreport.nz/2021_report?token=wZBGzQAeMF
lAAOqpTKhweXPMcAWLpOebF6u3T3RVuSXCNCLEVO

Edited by maddie44 at 5:37 pm, Mon 26 Jul

maddie44 - 2021-07-26 17:37:00
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gabbysnana wrote:

land value is $455k, wasteful council with ego projects.

what’s the total including improvements?

I mean don’t get me wrong I believe we should be rated on land value only, like it used to be before they made it a perceived wealth tax

lakeview3 - 2021-07-26 17:46:00
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maddie44 wrote:


That is an interesting comment. is that including all council costs- rates, water stormwater,sewage.... I ask because ...December 08, 2020
https://www.ratepayersreport.nz/2021_report?token=wZBGzQAeMF
lAAOqpTKhweXPMcAWLpOebF6u3T3RVuSXCNCLEVO

Not a true comparison as Auckland Council is a unitary authority.

sparkychap - 2021-07-26 17:47:00
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sparkychap wrote:

Not a true comparison as Auckland Council is a unitary authority.

How does that make a difference? Unless they haven't included the regional council fees for others.

Edited by maddie44 at 5:54 pm, Mon 26 Jul

maddie44 - 2021-07-26 17:54:00
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maddie44 wrote:

How does that make a difference? Unless they haven't included the regional council fees for others.

Bingo.

sparkychap - 2021-07-26 17:55:00
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heather902 wrote:

Oh for goodness sake, that is not the reason people give up jobs and apply for emergency accommodation lol

I can think of lots of things that our rates pay for, all the local parks I use the libraries etc I'd happily pay $50 a week for.... I do think there is money wasted too, but keep it in perspective. Rates in bigger cities are cheaper, there's something Auckland got on you because we pay nearly $3900 for a 400 square meter house on 8014 squares section.

why should i pay for your too lazy to buy books ass to read for free at the library ?
I can't wait to sell up and leave this ratshit hole of a town.

Edited by bitsnpieces2020 at 6:10 pm, Mon 26 Jul

bitsnpieces2020 - 2021-07-26 18:07:00
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sparkychap wrote:

Bingo.

OK. Just looking at our bill, the regional rates for us are about 1/5 of total bill.

Edited by maddie44 at 6:23 pm, Mon 26 Jul

maddie44 - 2021-07-26 18:08:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

what’s the total including improvements?

I mean don’t get me wrong I believe we should be rated on land value only, like it used to be before they made it a perceived wealth tax

Our rates are charged on land value only

maddie44 - 2021-07-26 18:19:00
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bitsnpieces2020 wrote:

why should i pay for your too lazy to buy books ass to read for free at the library ?
I can't wait to sell up and leave this ratshit hole of a town.

got your rates notice today too huh?

Where to go though?

I must say I loved this place I grew up here, but this mayor and our dumb council have turned it into a s** ???? alright. Wasting our money on stupid stuff we don’t want. Forcing changes on us no one asked for and we haven’t even started with the CEO and 7 deputies.

lakeview3 - 2021-07-26 18:21:00
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maddie44 wrote:

Our rates are charged on land value only

how did you get away with that? It used to be like that here and then mid 2000s it changed.

lakeview3 - 2021-07-26 18:22:00
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bitsnpieces2020 wrote:

why should i pay for your too lazy to buy books ass to read for free at the library ?
I can't wait to sell up and leave this ratshit hole of a town.

I’m paying for my own library use, hope a change in environment makes you happier

heather902 - 2021-07-26 18:35:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

$82 a week just for rates. Just so a bunch of overpaid a ???? s can shuffle a bit of paper around their desk in between coffee breaks.

For those of you who maths isn’t a strong point, that’s $4200 a year, just for a 910sqm section and standard house. No wonder people are living in house trucks.

No wonder the young are giving up jobs and applying for emergency accommodation. No hope for anyone. If ya don’t beat them ya may as well join em.

Well someones gotta pay for that fancy motel they just bought ;-)
I do agree that $82pw is exorbitant. If your income is under a certain amount, you can apply for a rates rebate.
Here in Auckland, our water and waste water isn't included in our rates so that makes our rates look cheaper compared to other regions who's water/waste water is included in rates or not charged for.

mazalinas - 2021-07-26 18:37:00
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mazalinas wrote:

Well someones gotta pay for that fancy motel they just bought ;-)

Er that wasn't the council.

sparkychap - 2021-07-26 18:53:00
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sparkychap wrote:

Er that wasn't the council.

Okay cheers :-)

mazalinas - 2021-07-26 18:57:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

yeah f it, at the end of the day that person who never owned a house, maybe didn’t work is probably going to end up next to me in the nursing home except all their expenses will be paid for by the mugs who tried to get ahead. What’s the point in working for anything anymore?

I give up.

Yeah - and then they gripe about those that have managed to accumulate just a little over the last 40yrs due to hard work as well as a being fortunate where they have chosen to invest the surplus after living costs. If they choose to be the 'Bank of Mum and Dad' - then good on them, but even those fortunate enough to have access to this get subjected to the knockers.

brouser3 - 2021-07-26 20:02:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

$82 a week just for rates. Just so a bunch of overpaid a ???? s can shuffle a bit of paper around their desk in between coffee breaks.

For those of you who maths isn’t a strong point, that’s $4200 a year, just for a 910sqm section and standard house. No wonder people are living in house trucks.

No wonder the young are giving up jobs and applying for emergency accommodation. No hope for anyone. If ya don’t beat them ya may as well join em.

Oh my heart bleeds for a rich home owner.
Just think of us poor multi dwelling home owners, we get hit many times!!!!

smallwoods - 2021-07-26 20:23:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

yeah f it, at the end of the day that person who never owned a house, maybe didn’t work is probably going to end up next to me in the nursing home except all their expenses will be paid for by the mugs who tried to get ahead. What’s the point in working for anything anymore?

I give up.

NOW you are starting to see WHY people own rentals.
They don't trust the govt , when they get older.

smallwoods - 2021-07-26 20:27:00
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My rates increased by 17% not the 9% RLC touted. Why am I not surprised they can't get that right. I'm currently stuck here looking after my ageing parents. But will be off to the South Island, or West Island, when they shuffle off this mortal coil. You can keep your emergency housing losers leeching off society, and stealing, violent attacks, drug fuelled madness right here with the excessive rates blown on idiotic council projects. Quite happy to wave good bye to my business, and this town. it feels like 20+ years of wasted time.

Edited by bitsnpieces2020 at 9:02 am, Tue 27 Jul

bitsnpieces2020 - 2021-07-27 08:55:00
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What you have to remember is that the mayor and councillors are "enthusiast amateurs" with no necessary requirement to have any business skills.. The city council is a business and should be run like one. City councils "should stick to their knitting" and look after what they should look after, and not get hijacked by more "sexy" / glamour projects. When the mayors get together for their annual conference there's untold brownie points to be had for a bright and shiny new convention centre, but replacing several kilometres of old water pipes or putting in new infrastructure is not sexy or have any brownie points associated with it..
When a mayor dies his legacy should be measured in how much more sewage can be pumped now, than before and not by how many glamour projects have his / her name on the plaque at the front door !!!

onl_148 - 2021-07-27 09:26:00
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bitsnpieces2020 wrote:

My rates increased by 17% not the 9% RLC touted. Why am I not surprised they can't get that right. I'm currently stuck here looking after my ageing parents. But will be off to the South Island, or West Island, when they shuffle off this mortal coil. You can keep your emergency housing losers leeching off society, and stealing, violent attacks, drug fuelled madness right here with the excessive rates blown on idiotic council projects. Quite happy to wave good bye to my business, and this town. it feels like 20+ years of wasted time.

Yeah I’m wondering who the hell is getting a rates drop to make those of us with huge rises average out at the claimed 9%, my family own 6 houses around Rotorua in 4 different suburbs, all of which have rates increases between 15% and 20%, I know the quoted figure is the supposed average but you’d expect at least one of us to be even close to that average!

rowlf - 2021-07-27 11:53:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

yeah f it, at the end of the day that person who never owned a house, maybe didn’t work is probably going to end up next to me in the nursing home except all their expenses will be paid for by the mugs who tried to get ahead. What’s the point in working for anything anymore?

I give up.

They had stressors unknown to you because of it. I sympathise with you over the rates rise, it is always unwelcome especially when we see the council wasting money or not doing basic repairs. My sister, gone now, bless her, got a discount from the council for being at the poverty line, it helped.

jhan - 2021-07-27 14:44:00
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rowlf wrote:

Yeah I’m wondering who the hell is getting a rates drop to make those of us with huge rises average out at the claimed 9%, my family own 6 houses around Rotorua in 4 different suburbs, all of which have rates increases between 15% and 20%, I know the quoted figure is the supposed average but you’d expect at least one of us to be even close to that average!

Do your research and you'll see that the 9% is across all property types. Rural rates have dropped, commercial have increased by a lower rate. More expensive houses (900K+) have increased at a lower rate. Average houses have increased 15% ish. Its all in the council records, you just have to read them.

sparkychap - 2021-07-27 15:16:00
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bitsnpieces2020 wrote:

My rates increased by 17% not the 9% RLC touted. Why am I not surprised they can't get that right. I'm currently stuck here looking after my ageing parents. But will be off to the South Island, or West Island, when they shuffle off this mortal coil. You can keep your emergency housing losers leeching off society, and stealing, violent attacks, drug fuelled madness right here with the excessive rates blown on idiotic council projects. Quite happy to wave good bye to my business, and this town. it feels like 20+ years of wasted time.

I hear you and am in a similar situation. The only problem with moving south is access to healthcare. You just better hope you don’t get sick. Forget the west coast, forget Southland, I can’t speak for Tasman district but I hear they have had over 100% increase in the number of gang members in the last few years.

And yeah I feel like walking away from it all too. This council has ruined this place. Their spending is out of control and it disgusts me. No respect for the ratepayers.

Inflation in the last 20 years is an average of 1.95%. I don’t know how they f ing justify the rate increases. Why does the CEO need 7 deputies? Too many people being paid far too much and absolutely NO accountability.

Edited by lakeview3 at 4:00 pm, Tue 27 Jul

lakeview3 - 2021-07-27 15:55:00
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sparkychap wrote:

Do your research and you'll see that the 9% is across all property types. Rural rates have dropped, commercial have increased by a lower rate. More expensive houses (900K+) have increased at a lower rate. Average houses have increased 15% ish. Its all in the council records, you just have to read them.

what justification is there for lowering rates for rural?

lakeview3 - 2021-07-27 16:03:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

I hear you and am in a similar situation. The only problem with moving south is access to healthcare. You just better hope you don’t get sick. Forget the west coast, forget Southland, I can’t speak for Tasman district but I hear they have had over 100% increase in the number of gang members in the last few years.

And yeah I feel like walking away from it all too. This council has ruined this place. Their spending is out of control and it disgusts me. No respect for the ratepayers.

Inflation in the last 20 years is an average of 1.95%. I don’t know how they f ing justify the rate increases. Why does the CEO need 7 deputies? Too many people being paid far too much and absolutely NO accountability.

Perhaps you should stand for council, then you could bring change from the inside.

remmers - 2021-07-27 16:45:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

what justification is there for lowering rates for rural?

maybe if you paid attention and spent less time whinging, you might know.

sparkychap - 2021-07-27 16:51:00
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sparkychap wrote:

maybe if you paid attention and spent less time whinging, you might know.

I thought it was a mistake to ask you any and expect a decent answer.

lakeview3 - 2021-07-27 16:53:00
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remmers wrote:

Perhaps you should stand for council, then you could bring change from the inside.

I would no doubt be targeted and threatened like anyone else who has ever tried. If I could get on top of my health issues I may feel like I could but unfortunately at the moment just getting through every day is a mission for me.

You have to have integrity and leadership from the top, if you haven’t got that then forget it. ‘

I still haven’t met anyone who has admitted voting for our mayor and I have asked a lot of people. We certainly didn’t vote for the CEO. Aren’t there performance appraisals done on people like this or do they just go from public service job to public service job with no accountability?

lakeview3 - 2021-07-27 16:57:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

I thought it was a mistake to ask you any and expect a decent answer.

well it’s your council, perhaps you could do the research and report back.

sparkychap - 2021-07-27 17:06:00
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I reckon I could have my house revalued at half its present GV. It's subject to flooding (but not really) and the back third is very steep, So my rates could be halved.

trade4us2 - 2021-07-27 17:09:00
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sparkychap wrote:

well it’s your council, perhaps you could do the research and report back.

youre just a troll and I am not interested in engaging with you. I think I have only ever seen you post one or two useful pieces of information, the rest are just sarcastic one liners and that’s over years of being on the messageboard. I guess the zero feedback says it all.

lakeview3 - 2021-07-27 17:10:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

youre just a troll and I am not interested in engaging with you. I think I have only ever seen you post one or two useful pieces of information, the rest are just sarcastic one liners and that’s over years of being on the messageboard. I guess the zero feedback says it all.

QED.

sparkychap - 2021-07-27 17:18:00
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