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A middle-aged woman looking for a safe home for herself and her specialist dogs was sold a property by a real estate agent who failed to mention a neighbouring property was the local Mongrel Mob headquarters.

She only found out when workmen asked her, after moving in, why she’d bought next to the notorious gang pad.

Mary Tapu, a licensed Te KÅ«iti real estate agent, was found guilty of misconduct on June 22, 2021, by the Complaints Assessment Committee after a Real Estate Agents Disciplinary Tribunal hearing held earlier in Hamilton .

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/125761541/agent-guilty-of-m
isconduct-for-not-telling-home-buyer-of-gang-pad-next-door

sparkychap - 2021-07-16 15:05:00
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Oh but it's okay, they're nice guys. If she gets a flat tyre they'll change it for her (insert eyeroll). I'd come back and haunt that agent if I were the buyer.

hound31 - 2021-07-16 15:51:00
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I would be taking her to court for non disclosure.

She admitted she knew it was a gang pad.

It could easily be argued that this affects the value and resale of the property.

Reminds me of the time I told an agent about a house they had listed that it was a flooder and they said they didn’t want to know.

lakeview3 - 2021-07-16 16:14:00
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sparkychap wrote:

A middle-aged woman looking for a safe home for herself and her specialist dogs was sold a property by a real estate agent who failed to mention a neighbouring property was the local Mongrel Mob headquarters.

She only found out when workmen asked her, after moving in, why she’d bought next to the notorious gang pad.

Mary Tapu, a licensed Te KÅ«iti real estate agent, was found guilty of misconduct on June 22, 2021, by the Complaints Assessment Committee after a Real Estate Agents Disciplinary Tribunal hearing held earlier in Hamilton .

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/125761541/agent-guilty-of-m
isconduct-for-not-telling-home-buyer-of-gang-pad-next-door[/
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You know my thoughts.

johnston - 2021-07-16 16:17:00
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johnston wrote:

You know my thoughts.

no, what are they?

gabbysnana - 2021-07-16 16:55:00
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gabbysnana wrote:

no, what are they?

he will never tell you…..but loves to make comments with all the airs of mystery. Why bother? If people have something to say, why don’t they just say it!

lakeview3 - 2021-07-16 17:04:00
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johnston wrote:

You know my thoughts.

Absolutely and who would disagree?

sparkychap - 2021-07-16 17:25:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

he will never tell you…..but loves to make comments with all the airs of mystery. Why bother? If people have something to say, why don’t they just say it!

Agreed... I think it is said but it's on a different platform. Look up Trademe sookybubbas FB group

superdave0_13 - 2021-07-16 19:18:00
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they be better neighbors than lakeviews arnt they cant remember exactly whats wrong with the pensioner acoss the road had to much money or something.

ash4561 - 2021-07-16 21:45:00
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ash4561 wrote:

they be better neighbors than lakeviews arnt they cant remember exactly whats wrong with the pensioner acoss the road had to much money or something.

which one? Lol. Several yes, another piggybacking and many STILL mow their blardy lawns on a flipping SUNDAY.

It’s too much I tell you - TOO much!

Edited by lakeview3 at 10:42 pm, Fri 16 Jul

lakeview3 - 2021-07-16 22:42:00
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Te Kuiti is known as a Mob town, I'd have asked around where they are....

lythande1 - 2021-07-17 08:49:00
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lythande1 wrote:

Te Kuiti is known as a Mob town, I'd have asked around where they are....

Agree, let the buyer beware, dumb choice, however the realestate agent did have a moral obligation to make buyer aware. But it was cheap no doubt.

sharmon - 2021-07-17 09:27:00
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sharmon wrote:

Agree, let the buyer beware, dumb choice, however the realestate agent did have a moral obligation to make buyer aware. But it was cheap no doubt.

Not just moral, but legal. And the cost is not relevent.

sparkychap - 2021-07-17 09:31:00
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The member deleted this message.

curlcrown - 2021-07-17 09:55:00
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sparkychap wrote:

A middle-aged woman looking for a safe home for herself and her specialist dogs was sold a property by a real estate agent who failed to mention a neighbouring property was the local Mongrel Mob headquarters.

She only found out when workmen asked her, after moving in, why she’d bought next to the notorious gang pad.

Mary Tapu, a licensed Te KÅ«iti real estate agent, was found guilty of misconduct on June 22, 2021, by the Complaints Assessment Committee after a Real Estate Agents Disciplinary Tribunal hearing held earlier in Hamilton .

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/125761541/agent-guilty-of-m
isconduct-for-not-telling-home-buyer-of-gang-pad-next-door[/
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To be fair to the agent she did offer to sell the property without charging any fess, that seems a reasonable solution. It will be interesting to see what the penalty will be.
Above post deleted and re posted dues to error in quoting.

curlcrown - 2021-07-17 10:07:00
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curlcrown wrote:

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To be fair to the agent she did offer to sell the property without any fees, so a solution was offered that could have seen the buy suffer not loss. It will be interesting to see what the penalty will be,

And she'd have had to disclose the gang pad and may well have sold for less than the purchase price, at the same time other properties have gone up in value.

The property had been for sale for over a year and the previous agent had given up due to lack of interest.

If the agent is so confident she can sell it, then perhaps she can buy it...

sparkychap - 2021-07-17 10:09:00
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sparkychap wrote:

And she'd have had to disclose the gang pad and may well have sold for less than the purchase price, at the same time other properties have gone up in value.

The property had been for sale for over a year and the previous agent had given up due to lack of interest.

If the agent is so confident she can sell it, then perhaps she can buy it...

Not disagreeing with the decision, simply pondering if the penalty the agent receives will help the buyer as much as what was offered, or if at all.

curlcrown - 2021-07-17 11:03:00
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I bought an ex-gang house 20 years ago, oil stains on the living room floor where they parked bikes. It was cheap to buy, and a great investment.

masturbidder - 2021-07-17 11:29:00
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johnston wrote:

You know my thoughts.


Do the voices in my head disturb you?

masturbidder - 2021-07-17 11:31:00
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curlcrown wrote:

To be fair to the agent she did offer to sell the property without charging any fess, that seems a reasonable solution. It will be interesting to see what the penalty will be.
Above post deleted and re posted dues to error in quoting.

That is no solution and does not excuse the agent's conduct. Besides who would want to use that agent and her agency. She has already proven to be a disgrace.

As for penalty, compensation is available but that is not the primary focus of a professional disciplinary process.

johnston - 2021-07-17 11:34:00
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chito - 2021-07-17 11:36:00
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Trade Me wrote:

The originally quoted post has been removed.

that’s a benefit, surely!

sparkychap - 2021-07-17 11:46:00
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Wanting to train sniffer dogs next door is the part that got me.

All I can see coming for the agent is an insurance claim and a whack with a snapper card!

Edited by superdave0_13 at 12:53 pm, Sat 17 Jul

superdave0_13 - 2021-07-17 12:52:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

which one? Lol. Several yes, another piggybacking and many STILL mow their blardy lawns on a flipping SUNDAY.

It’s too much I tell you - TOO much!

I often mow my lawns on a Sunday when it is fine during winter. I work fulltime and often do volunteer work on a Saturday. My neighbour at the back vacuums and washes their vans most Sundays. They have two rural delivery runs and are the Courier Post agent.

joanie04 - 2021-07-17 14:16:00
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joanie04 wrote:

I often mow my lawns on a Sunday when it is fine during winter. I work fulltime and often do volunteer work on a Saturday. My neighbour at the back vacuums and washes their vans most Sundays. They have two rural delivery runs and are the Courier Post agent.

fair enough but why do people who don’t work mow on a Sunday? For some of us, Sunday may be the only day we get to spend as a family and if we have to listen to a constant stream of mowers of people who have all week to do it, it’s a bit grating. Makes me want to buy a leaf blower and just leave it on for a few hours

lakeview3 - 2021-07-17 14:51:00
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15 years ago when we were buying a house we had decent agent. We were not familiar with the town and he took us to an area and showed us the property and pointed out that the orange house was the local drug house and the guy in the house across the road had just come out of jail but he had spoken to him and seemed decent enough. We didnt buy that house or in that town but we always remember that agent with fondness and a smile

mkr_ahearn - 2021-07-17 19:11:00
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Whatever penalty the agent gets it won't be enough.

sweetgurl108 - 2021-07-17 22:29:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

fair enough but why do people who don’t work mow on a Sunday? For some of us, Sunday may be the only day we get to spend as a family and if we have to listen to a constant stream of mowers of people who have all week to do it, it’s a bit grating. Makes me want to buy a leaf blower and just leave it on for a few hours

I was going to reply to this, but common sense has prevailed and I cannot be arsed waisting time. You need to get over yourself.

joanie04 - 2021-07-17 22:45:00
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The agent would be in big trouble if she had warned prospective purchasers that the neighbours belonged to a certain ethnic group or religious sect which not everyone would choose to live next door to. In this case the agent is in trouble because she didn't warn a prospective purchaser that the neighbours had exercised their legal right to join a particular club which is not banned but openly exists in the community. We're getting dangerously close to discrimination.

webworth - 2021-07-18 03:48:00
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webworth wrote:

The agent would be in big trouble if she had warned prospective purchasers that the neighbours belonged to a certain ethnic group or religious sect which not everyone would choose to live next door to. In this case the agent is in trouble because she didn't warn a prospective purchaser that the neighbours had exercised their legal right to join a particular club which is not banned but openly exists in the community. We're getting dangerously close to discrimination.


Yes, I am wondering if it's normal to get a rundown on the neighbours when one buy's a house. Is this a "thing?" We have had many neighbour changes in the 43 years we have owned our house. In fact not one is the same now except us. Should the agent be disclosing their view on the neighbours? They haven't even lived there.

bryalea - 2021-07-18 07:33:00
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bryalea wrote:


Yes, I am wondering if it's normal to get a rundown on the neighbours when one buy's a house. Is this a "thing?" We have had many neighbour changes in the 43 years we have owned our house. In fact not one is the same now except us. Should the agent be disclosing their view on the neighbours? They haven't even lived there.

The family next door have kids around sometimes.

The family run a kindy.

One is not like the other.

Edited by sparkychap at 7:36 am, Sun 18 Jul

sparkychap - 2021-07-18 07:35:00
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sparkychap wrote:

The family next door have kids around sometimes.

The family run a kindy.

One is not like the other.

good distinction

mkr_ahearn - 2021-07-18 08:19:00
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bryalea wrote:


Yes, I am wondering if it's normal to get a rundown on the neighbours when one buy's a house. Is this a "thing?" We have had many neighbour changes in the 43 years we have owned our house. In fact not one is the same now except us. Should the agent be disclosing their view on the neighbours? They haven't even lived there.

No, the agent's subjective "view" is not relevant. Agent's have regulatory disclosure obligations, moreso once the agent is on notice that some particular aspect is important to the prospective purchaser.

Edited by johnston at 9:10 am, Sun 18 Jul

johnston - 2021-07-18 09:07:00
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The Hell's Angels live nearby, we never have any problems with them, apart from occasional burnouts on the road.

spidermurti - 2021-07-18 10:24:00
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I admit to driving around the neighbourhood before buying property at odd hours of the day and night to check it out and don’t mind asking if there are any gangs or drug dealers close by that the agent knows about.

I’d be scared shitless living next to a gang headquarters, especially if I was living alone.

lovelurking - 2021-07-18 10:41:00
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lovelurking wrote:

I admit to driving around the neighbourhood before buying property at odd hours of the day and night to check it out and don’t mind asking if there are any gangs or drug dealers close by that the agent knows about.

I’d be scared shitless living next to a gang headquarters, especially if I was living alone.

Next doors fine, we had burglars living a few doors down no one on our street ever got burgled unlikely there was another street in town like that.

ash4561 - 2021-07-18 11:44:00
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ash4561 wrote:

Next doors fine, we had burglars living a few doors down no one on our street ever got burgled unlikely there was another street in town like that.

My dad said the same thing years ago when a bikie gang moved in not far from his house...
BUT the drugs of choice seem different these days, smoking marijuana makes people mellow but that methamphetamine makes them murderers.

lovelurking - 2021-07-18 12:18:00
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lovelurking wrote:

My dad said the same thing years ago when a bikie gang moved in not far from his house...
BUT the drugs of choice seem different these days, smoking marijuana makes people mellow but that methamphetamine makes them murderers.

Just reading a book on Meth and its history, interesting but not totally surprising where its first widespread use was.

kenw1 - 2021-07-18 15:10:00
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Old school teacher of my brother's dropped some beer off at his place in return for a favour. He told my brother that he was a bit reluctant to leave it in the outside wash house in case the neighbours saw and took it. Brother replied, nah not them they run a tinny house and rather keep to themselves.

joanie04 - 2021-07-18 19:47:00
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We live next door to a dog groomers with yappy little dogs, if we did move I wonder if the real estate agent would tell the prospective buyers.
Our last house had mongrel mob a few houses down on one side, and black power a few houses down on the other side, and the guy behind us was on home detention. Apart from having one of the kids bikes stolen from our back yard, our rubbish bin tipped over twice and our friends cars wing mirror smashed, we didn't have any issues. But was so glad to move away.

annie17111 - 2021-07-18 19:57:00
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Now all this seems unfair, the agent could have thought it was an old peoples home, quiet, a tidy property next door. You all know Andrew Little (of pike river fame) has decided to get these Jungle Bob's out of prison and living among us all, be that in Remuera or Te kuiti. They have rights, and in the Waikato a female spokesperson telling the media they are just misunderstood, and do not deal in drugs, especially "P". The gang members all work hard and save $ by living together. They have some singalong concerts where the best pig sounding noise is rewarded with a patch, or a beer. Andrew is trying to make sure the gang culture is understood, just not by him, he is a lone figure within NZ, but get's paid to be a stupid ass.

sharmon - 2021-07-18 21:03:00
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"jungle bobs"?

sparkychap - 2021-07-19 08:02:00
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It's a new take on the '70s afro

funkydunky - 2021-07-19 10:35:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

which one? Lol. Several yes, another piggybacking and many STILL mow their blardy lawns on a flipping SUNDAY.

It’s too much I tell you - TOO much!

You would also be the type who would moan if they didn't mow their lawns...just saying

richynuts - 2021-07-19 12:12:00
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lovelurking wrote:

My dad said the same thing years ago when a bikie gang moved in not far from his house...
BUT the drugs of choice seem different these days, smoking marijuana makes people mellow but that methamphetamine makes them murderers.

so, if they take both marijuana AND meth, they would be just ordinary folks?

evoalg - 2021-07-21 21:24:00
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evoalg wrote:

so, if they take both marijuana AND meth, they would be just ordinary folks?

Doubt it.

lovelurking - 2021-07-21 22:13:00
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Before I bought a house in Spain I was advised to walk around the neighbourhood in the evening and at sunrise . If I heard roosters crowing I would know there were gypsies living nearby

webworth - 2021-07-22 01:34:00
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ash4561 wrote:

Next doors fine, we had burglars living a few doors down no one on our street ever got burgled unlikely there was another street in town like that.

MM mobs captains old Mum lived about 3 doors down at on stage.
Quietest place we ever lived in.
No one messed with Big Mumma.
Could be a bit noisy if the kids all came home to visit, but small price to pay.

bernie184 - 2021-07-22 09:09:00
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sparkychap wrote:

Not just moral, but legal. And the cost is not relevent.

It’s relevant to the extent that if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. As the saying goes, a fool and their money are soon parted.

committed - 2021-07-23 19:03:00
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committed wrote:

It’s relevant to the extent that if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. As the saying goes, a fool and their money are soon parted.

Who says it was too good to be true? Did the agent explain that the property was discounted because of the gang pad?

sparkychap - 2021-07-23 19:23:00
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