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I have been using a program called Linux Live USB Creator on Windows 10 for at least a couple of years, to create bootable USB drives to try out different distros of linux. The other day I decided to upgrade my version of Windows 10 to 21H1, which I believe is the latest. All went uneventfully until I got a message to the effect that I had to uninstall the Linux Live program - wouldn't let the upgrade continue until I had done so. I got the message that this program would not work with Windows 10! So allowed the upgrade to uninstall the program, then on completion installed it again, and it works fine, so I can't see what the fuss was about. But I can see why people get upset with Microsoft telling them what to do!

rpvr - 2021-06-04 15:51:00
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I'd guess that it was Ms trying to bullsh*t you into getting Linux away from their precious Windoze. Yeah I'm not a Linux fan but that's wrong.

Microsoft + Windows 10 = ScareWare, (protectionism). If they were queried about it they'd come up with some excuse.

Edited by nice_lady at 4:09 pm, Fri 4 Jun

nice_lady - 2021-06-04 16:08:00
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i can't fault it for wanting to remove programs it think might be a problem really, it does the same with old versions of CCleaner iirc.
Linux Live USB Creator is actually very old software last updated 2015 and based on AutoIt, so maybe that's why it doesn't like it. Some AutoIt scripts seem to get pinged by AVs...
The important thing really is that it handled the 'situation' at the time and as a bonus allowed, reinstalling...

Edited by king1 at 4:21 pm, Fri 4 Jun

king1 - 2021-06-04 16:18:00
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True.. But it does raise eyebrows when its Ms Vs Linux lol

nice_lady - 2021-06-04 16:26:00
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rpvr wrote:

I have been using a program called Linux Live USB Creator on Windows 10 for at least a couple of years, to create bootable USB drives to try out different distros of linux. The other day I decided to upgrade my version of Windows 10 to 21H1, which I believe is the latest. All went uneventfully until I got a message to the effect that I had to uninstall the Linux Live program - wouldn't let the upgrade continue until I had done so. I got the message that this program would not work with Windows 10! So allowed the upgrade to uninstall the program, then on completion installed it again, and it works fine, so I can't see what the fuss was about. But I can see why people get upset with Microsoft telling them what to do!

I am running windows 10 and also running 6 linux distro inside of windows 10 with no problems. Look up Oracle Virtualbox, learn how to use it, and if I can learn how to use it then anybody can. It takes less than a minute to switch between distros. It really is an awesome set up. Windows 10 has been shoved to the back since I discovered virtualbox. There is no partitioning of the hdd at all.

muppet_slayer - 2021-06-04 19:27:00
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muppet_slayer wrote:

I am running windows 10 and also running 6 linux distro inside of windows 10 with no problems. Look up Oracle Virtualbox, learn how to use it, and if I can learn how to use it then anybody can. It takes less than a minute to switch between distros. It really is an awesome set up. Windows 10 has been shoved to the back since I discovered virtualbox. There is no partitioning of the hdd at all.

My aim is to use linux most of the time, but have the odd thing I need Windows for. The latest version of Linux Lite comes with virtualbox built in, so I thought that when I get time I'll try installing Windows 10 inside linux, the opposite of what you have. Whatever I end up with, it's fun to play around with various combimations to find what suits.

rpvr - 2021-06-04 21:03:00
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rpvr wrote:

My aim is to use linux most of the time, but have the odd thing I need Windows for. The latest version of Linux Lite comes with virtualbox built in, so I thought that when I get time I'll try installing Windows 10 inside linux, the opposite of what you have. Whatever I end up with, it's fun to play around with various combimations to find what suits.

Cool. Yes it sure is fun. I haven't used windows much since using virtualbox and linux. It's taken hours to set up each one so I'd hate for anything to go wrong and lose them all. I'd be gutted. Good luck with your project.

muppet_slayer - 2021-06-04 22:04:00
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Otherwise Rufus is really good for making USB boot discs.

https://rufus.ie/en_US/

tygertung - 2021-06-04 22:11:00
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muppet_slayer wrote:

It's taken hours to set up each one so I'd hate for anything to go wrong and lose them all. I'd be gutted. Good luck with your project.

In Virtualbox, familiarise yourself with File/Export appliance.

these can also be shutdown, started etc from a command prompt, scheduled with task scheduler etc

king1 - 2021-06-04 22:58:00
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king1 wrote:

In Virtualbox, familiarise yourself with File/Export appliance.

these can also be shutdown, started etc from a command prompt, scheduled with task scheduler etc

Awesome thanks king1. Had a read up on it and it appears to be a type of back up and a way to switch from host to a different host. My new laptop may be going back for warranty purposes so it'll be a good time to convert them to an appliance and save them to an external hdd ready to be imported into a new Virtualbox app on the new replacement laptop.

muppet_slayer - 2021-06-05 15:40:00
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king1 wrote:

In Virtualbox, familiarise yourself with File/Export appliance.

these can also be shutdown, started etc from a command prompt, scheduled with task scheduler etc

I am exporting them now. There is one thing I am not sure about, should I include the .iso image files with each export?

muppet_slayer - 2021-06-05 16:07:00
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muppet_slayer wrote:

I am exporting them now in one file. There is one thing I am not sure about, should I include the .iso image files with each export?

no need, the export is the complete bootable system. ISOs can be downloaded from source online if needed.
I should mention if you are importing it onto another host with different hardware you might have to open the VB settings for the network adapter and save again, for some reason it doesn't always start up first time round until you do...

Edited by king1 at 5:36 pm, Sat 5 Jun

king1 - 2021-06-05 17:32:00
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doesn't virtualbox make snapshots , that you can store ona external disk ?

bitsnpieces2020 - 2021-06-05 17:40:00
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king1 wrote:

no need, the export is the complete bootable system. ISOs can be downloaded from source online if needed.
I should mention if you are importing it onto another host with different hardware you might have to open the VB settings for the network adapter and save again, for some reason it doesn't always start up first time round until you do...

Ok thanks king1, your help is very much appreciated. I wouldn't know what to do if you hadn't said something. Now I know a little bit more about virtualbox. I have exported them with the iso image and one is 16gb big so I think I will start over and leave that option unticked. I did do a successful import though. Thanks a lot mate.

muppet_slayer - 2021-06-05 17:48:00
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bitsnpieces2020 wrote:

doesn&#-
39;t virtualbox make snapshots , that you can store ona external disk ?

Exporting is basically taking a snap shot of the OS, into one easy file.

muppet_slayer - 2021-06-05 17:54:00
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bitsnpieces2020 wrote:

doesn&#-
39;t virtualbox make snapshots , that you can store ona external disk ?

Snapshots save the current state at the time into a smaller file(s), to modify the current system - a bit like a system restore point in windows. An export is the complete virtual machine...

king1 - 2021-06-05 18:12:00
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you can also use disk imaging tools like Macrium Reflect to do a backups. Restore process is slightly different though

you would take the disk image from within the VM as normal.

When restoring basic process is start by creating a new virtual machine, then adding a new virtual disk.
Then you grab a bootable iso of your imaging tool (macrium for example) and attach to the VM.
Then make sure the disk image backup is accessible, either on a network share or via Virtualbox shared folders.
Then you can boot up the Macrium boot disk and restore the disk image on the shared drive to the new virtual disk created for the VM

I do both options (ie File/export and creating a disk image within the VM ) for one of my more important VMs so I have bases covered and options if it all goes to pack...

king1 - 2021-06-05 18:44:00
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King1. After exporting can I shift the files onto an external and run them from there?

muppet_slayer - 2021-06-05 19:16:00
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muppet_slayer wrote:

King1. After exporting can I shift the files onto an external and run them from there?

Yes you can shift them to the external, no they can't be run from there. It will need to be imported back into Virtualbox first

king1 - 2021-06-05 19:48:00
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king1 wrote:

Yes you can shift them to the external, no they can't be run from there. It will need to be imported back into Virtualbox first

Ok cool. Hmm yeh I used the wrong term 'run them from...'. I should have said can I 'use them from...'. I went ahead and tried it and it worked, then came here to find you had answered my Q. Thanks again mate.

muppet_slayer - 2021-06-05 20:01:00
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