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Pardon my ignorance but why would anyone want a powerbank? What would you use it for?
Did you know that there is a recall for a powerbank at the moment and that it could set your house alight?

trade4us2 - 2021-05-13 12:58:00
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I did not know about any recall - but I use my powerbank often. Great in the car when travelling. Easier to charge up the powerbank at night if staying somewhere with limited outlets, and then charge the devices from it as needed. I use it when I am on the verandah and my phone is nearly flat so I can keep using it. Great when there is a power outage so can keep the phone going.

kateley - 2021-05-13 13:10:00
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kind of don't really see the market for it myself, how long is one ever really that far away from a powerpoint... and most chargers are smaller than the power banks so i don't see them as more convenient to carry...

king1 - 2021-05-13 13:11:00
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https://www.recalls.govt.nz/recalls/?q=power+bank

king1 - 2021-05-13 13:13:00
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When there is a power outage I can use inverters to supply power from my car battery, or another lead-acid battery which I keep charged, and are in the garage in case anything goes wrong.

trade4us2 - 2021-05-13 13:18:00
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They are useful for people that are out and about or traveling quite often. Or still want to use their devices while charging while sitting on the sofa which aren't close enough to the powerpoint. Also can be used to power other things other than phones or tablets. Different strokes for different folks.

540trickzter - 2021-05-13 13:26:00
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trade4us2 wrote:

When there is a power outage I can use inverters to supply power from my car battery, or another lead-acid battery which I keep charged, and are in the garage in case anything goes wrong.

Maybe some people if there is a power outage are not comfortable using an inverter and a car battery to keep their phone charged? This is why a powerbank is useful - it is convenient and easy to use without being costly.

cube_guy - 2021-05-13 13:47:00
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trade4us2 wrote:

When there is a power outage I can use inverters to supply power from my car battery, or another lead-acid battery which I keep charged, and are in the garage in case anything goes wrong.

A 10,000mAh power bank is portable and will fit in your pocket, a car battery and inverter not so much

vtecintegra - 2021-05-13 13:53:00
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vtecintegra wrote:

A 10,000mAh power bank is portable and will fit in your pocket, a car battery and inverter not so much

Will that 10,000mAh power bank run my fridge and lights and computer and TV and phone and modem for three hours like my car battery does?

trade4us2 - 2021-05-13 13:55:00
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trade4us2 wrote:

Will that 10,000mAh power bank run my fridge and lights and computer and TV and phone and modem for three hours like my car battery does?

No, but it will charge up your cellphone a couple of times.

vtecintegra - 2021-05-13 14:07:00
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trade4us2 wrote:

Will that 10,000mAh power bank run my fridge and lights and computer and TV and phone and modem for three hours like my car battery does?

What a stupid question.

cube_guy - 2021-05-13 14:07:00
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trade4us2 wrote:

Pardon my ignorance but why would anyone want a powerbank? What would you use it for?

They’re handy if you need to charge your devices (e.g. photography/video equipment, torches, GPS,) if you are spending a few days in the wilderness (tramping, multi day hunt, etc.)

cognition - 2021-05-13 14:22:00
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king1 wrote:

kind of don't really see the market for it myself, how long is one ever really that far away from a powerpoint... and most chargers are smaller than the power banks so i don't see them as more convenient to carry...

Plenty of uses.

Overnight camping or tramping. Travelling via plane or bus or someone else's' car (where you can watch a movie or read or whatever and still recharge when you need to), when your cellphone or other device battery doesn't last a day any more and it's not replaceable. Often I'd rather not have to leave my phone charging in some random public place and prefer to be self-sufficient.

loose.unit8 - 2021-05-13 14:34:00
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If you are using your cellphone to record video, it will chew through the battery turbo fast so you could plug into power bank.

Likewise if you are using a digital camera to record video, you can often use an adapter to charge off USB and use a powerbank. Or even a video camera.

You might start a youtube channel and want to record projects. You will need a lot of electricity for this. A powerbank could be the solution.

tygertung - 2021-05-13 14:38:00
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Out fishing off-shore on a small boat is one place I do use my power bank.

fishb8 - 2021-05-13 15:23:00
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they are great in power cuts - attach a led light to it and you've got a torch / lamp and it lasts for hours

trade_menow - 2021-05-13 19:39:00
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trade_menow wrote:

they are great in power cuts - attach a led light to it and you've got a torch / lamp and it lasts for hours

I have three sensor lights around the house that turn on if there is a power cut.
When there is a power cut I can plug a cable into my car battery and have 230v power in power points upstairs and downstairs in my house to run almost anything except for heaters.

trade4us2 - 2021-05-13 19:49:00
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trade4us2 wrote:

I have three sensor lights around the house that turn on if there is a power cut.
When there is a power cut I can plug a cable into my car battery and have 230v power in power points upstairs and downstairs in my house to run almost anything except for heaters.

I bought my powerbank from Paperplus for about $40 - it has a torch function in it. I would not know how or where to get the equipment to run the house off a car battery, but of course, this is not why I bought the powerbank.
It performs it's function perfectly - holds enough power to charge my phone when I am away for a few days

kateley - 2021-05-13 20:10:00
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For me, powerbanks is just like having a mobile phone with bigger/larger battery, so it's not about how good or bad are they!

flower_tears - 2021-05-13 21:51:00
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It's a compact affordable backup battery for times when it's not easy to plug into a socket for phones and tablets etc. I keep a very small one in my bag usually for the teen to borrow if we are out and about and her phone is nearly flat because teens tend to do that or for emergencies on the rare occasions my phone is low so I can stay in touch.

We have family in marginal service areas and that rapidly sucks battery life. I have a larger 20k one for using when I'm away from home that cost me $30 on sale, weekend trips etc. The battery life on my tablet isn't as big as I would like and plugs aren't always in convenient places if watching a movie etc. I can charge and continue using it.

I don't need to muck around with inverters or backup household appliances or the expense and size of that and I certainly don't take that kind of thing in my bag lol. Home is urban with backup network supplying our suburb if there are outages which are usually pretty short and infrequent. That's something family who don't live in the city are prepared for.

dinx - 2021-05-14 02:33:00
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Mine is good because I can charge 2 devices at once, don't have to be tied down to a power outlet. Just plug them in, put it in my bag and go.

ira78 - 2021-05-14 07:53:00
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king1 wrote:

kind of don't really see the market for it myself, how long is one ever really that far away from a powerpoint... and most chargers are smaller than the power banks so i don't see them as more convenient to carry...

Power banks very useful when Traveling and even out for a full day, would not be without one, as when using public transport, you often tend to use your devices on buses and trains,
(Actually brought another big new one before Holiday, recent feedback 1st page, my other big one now not holding much charge, too well used, but also have smaller lighter ones, for those shorter times out just for back up if needed and geocaching when using the phone,)
Have just done a 2 week tour, 1 week on Vintage Trains, Phone hooked up to power bank and had my phone on maps open a lot of time,
Then could see when coming up to good bends, to go out on platforms for photo's and videos etc at end of carriages,
No worries when you don't know when you would be able to find a power point?, then if it is not at home, risk of someone taking your device?,
You can just charge in your bag or pocket while on the move with a power bank,
I have also noticed when using the covid app, and bluetooth is on, Bluetooth seems to sap power out of phone faster?, twice I have left Bluetooth on overnight, next morning phone is dead,

Edited by flossy63 at 1:29 pm, Fri 14 May

flossy63 - 2021-05-14 13:17:00
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flossy63 wrote:

Power banks very useful when Traveling and even out for a full day, would not be without one, as when using public transport, you often tend to use your devices on buses and trains,
Have just done a 2 week tour, 1 week on Vintage Trains, Phone hooked up to power bank and had my phone on maps open a lot of time,
Then could see when coming up to good bends, to go out on platforms for photo's and videos etc at end of carriages,
No worries when you don't know when you would be able to find a power point?, then if it is not at home, risk of someone taking your device?,
You can just charge in your bag or pocket while on the move with a power bank,

Onto it !

nice_lady - 2021-05-14 13:19:00
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trade4us2 wrote:

Will that 10,000mAh power bank run my fridge and lights and computer and TV and phone and modem for three hours like my car battery does?

Not sure if obtuse or just trolling.

oclaf - 2021-05-14 15:53:00
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oclaf wrote:

Not sure if obtuse or just trolling.

If you are happy to have your house burned down by charging a lithium powerbank inside your house, go ahead.

https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2020/pcna-recalls-power-banks-d
ue-to-fire-and-burn-hazards

trade4us2 - 2021-05-14 18:01:00
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I cant imagine it, It wouldn't suit me, It doesn't fit my needs ..it must be waste of time.

Another day another pile of myopia.

ronaldo8 - 2021-05-14 18:14:00
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My busted power bank jump starter lithium scrap is inside a metal box biclive called it explosive pie containment dish.

intrade - 2021-05-14 18:38:00
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trade4us2 wrote:

If you are happy to have your house burned down by charging a lithium powerbank inside your house, go ahead.

https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2020/pcna-recalls-power-banks-d
ue-to-fire-and-burn-hazards

Total over reaction to a few, examples given millions in use worlwide. There are far more examples of other faulty products causing fire or issues and no one is saying we should ban a product category of them entirely. Various laptop batteries have had many recalls over the years, car airbags so should we ban cars, electric blankets, even faulty washing machines were causing fires but I'm not going to convert to a washboard and wringer anytime soon.

dinx - 2021-05-15 22:41:00
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I charge my powerbank during the day using a smallish solar panel. Then I charge my USB items overnight using the powerbank. Probably plenty of inefficiencies there, but it gets me a free charge on my devices.

callum.irvine - 2021-05-16 08:39:00
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trade4us2 wrote:

If you are happy to have your house burned down by charging a lithium powerbank inside your house, go ahead.

https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2020/pcna-recalls-power-banks-d
ue-to-fire-and-burn-hazards

A lithium powerbank is no different to a battery. In fact that's exactly what it is.

There are Billions of lithium batteries charged in millions of households and other places. Your assertion that anyone would be a fool to charge such in a house, or indoors anywhere makes ZERO sense.

nice_lady - 2021-05-16 08:48:00
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https://www.powerbankexpert.com/can-power-banks-explode/

Due to the explosion hazard of Li batteries in general, airlines don’t allow them in their cargo areas. Additionally, they have strict limits when it comes to checked-in batteries, which are usually under 100Wh capacity and a maximum of two batteries per passenger...

Besides the videos above, there are also reports of power banks exploding in pockets, purses, or cars. For example, in the case of cars, leaving a charging power bank on your dashboard during a hot summer day is a recipe for disaster, such as in this example from Sept 2020.

Exploding power banks are also known to cause fires such as in this reported case. According to the New Haven Register, Li-ion batteries have caused an estimated 200 fires between 2009 and 2017 in the US alone.

trade4us2 - 2021-05-16 09:03:00
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"Due to the explosion hazard of Li batteries in general, airlines don’t allow them in their cargo areas"

Bullshit statement right off the hop. At the very least you could do some/any reading other than something that aligns with your bias, eg some actual regulations, before uncritically repeating the kak.

Edited by ronaldo8 at 9:14 am, Sun 16 May

ronaldo8 - 2021-05-16 09:10:00
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Oh and remember, just to be safe, to go out side while you charge your cellphone, laptop, home portable phone, electric razor, or any other lithium battery powered device.

Ps: do try to be safe and don't stand in the rain charging your lithium powered device while plugged into the extension cord you're going to have to use. ????

Edited by nice_lady at 9:58 am, Sun 16 May

nice_lady - 2021-05-16 09:56:00
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nice_lady wrote:

Oh and remember, just to be safe, to go out side while you charge your cellphone, laptop, home portable phone, electric razor, or any other lithium battery powered device.

Ps: do try to be safe and don't stand in the rain charging your lithium powered device while plugged into the extension cord you're going to have to use. ????

What is the matter with you?
As it happens, I do not have any lithium powered devices.
Maybe I will post some more lithium fire reports.

trade4us2 - 2021-05-17 19:25:00
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trade4us2 wrote:

What is the matter with you?
As it happens, I do not have any lithium powered devices.
Maybe I will post some more lithium fire reports.

Do you have a cellphone or laptop, or tablet?

tygertung - 2021-05-17 19:26:00
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trade4us2 wrote:

https://www.powerbankexpert.com/can-power-b
anks-explode/

Due to the explosion hazard of Li batteries in general, airlines don’t allow them in their cargo areas. Additionally, they have strict limits when it comes to checked-in batteries, which are usually under 100Wh capacity and a maximum of two batteries per passenger...

Besides the videos above, there are also reports of power banks exploding in pockets, purses, or cars. For example, in the case of cars, leaving a charging power bank on your dashboard during a hot summer day is a recipe for disaster, such as in this example from Sept 2020.

Exploding power banks are also known to cause fires such as in this reported case. According to the New Haven Register, Li-ion batteries have caused an estimated 200 fires between 2009 and 2017 in the US alone.


While not really an acceptable result to have 200 reported fires from those batterys, you DO realize how many ppl there are in the USA & how many lithium based battery devices they use every year???
Problems like fires would be something in the area of 0.00001% of all lithium battery devices sold in the USA

Re: "leaving a charging power bank on your dashboard during a hot summer day is a recipe for disaster,"
Nothing to do with the battery type at all, My daughter left a can of drink on the car seat consul while away for a week & it exploded in the summer heat.
Maybe we should include that in the statistics as well & ban them

Edited by mrfxit at 9:10 pm, Mon 17 May

mrfxit - 2021-05-17 21:03:00
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trade4us2 wrote:

What is the matter with you?
As it happens, I do not have any lithium powered devices.
Maybe I will post some more lithium fire reports.

Really ? That would be VERY unusual these days.

What battery powered devices do you own?

nice_lady - 2021-05-17 21:11:00
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ronaldo8 wrote:

"Due to the explosion hazard of Li batteries in general, airlines don’t allow them in their cargo areas"

............................. ...................... ..................... .


That requirement changes almost as often as the wind.
They made me carry a cigarette lighter in my pocket one year & it was ok in cargo the next.
Same with my laptop.
A few years ago it had to be in cargo, this year it had to be carry on luggage

mrfxit - 2021-05-17 21:13:00
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My place is full of them, cellphones, cordless home phones, laptops, xbox controllers, tablets. Oh No I'm scared.....do I preemptively call the fire brigade now?

muppet_slayer - 2021-05-17 21:16:00
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king1 wrote:

https://www.recalls.govt.nz/recalls/?q=power+ba
nk

Yep that correct. A neighbours 12yr old grand-son had one in his pocket that went on fire and gave the poor little bugger a big red hole on his thigh that needed surgery. Interestingly, ACC refused to pay and said it was an 'Act of God'. Perhaps their God lives in Wellington.

tegretol - 2021-05-23 17:57:00
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king1 wrote:

kind of don't really see the market for it myself, how long is one ever really that far away from a powerpoint... and most chargers are smaller than the power banks so i don't see them as more convenient to carry...

They are really useful when trekking on various Great Walks, where there can be a couple of days between real power outlets in Doc huts, to keep real cameras and phones which use their cameras alive.

Edited by hazelnut2 at 6:31 pm, Sun 23 May

hazelnut2 - 2021-05-23 18:30:00
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tegretol wrote:

Yep that correct. A neighbours 12yr old grand-son had one in his pocket that went on fire and gave the poor little bugger a big red hole on his thigh that needed surgery. Interestingly, ACC refused to pay and said it was an 'Act of God'. Perhaps their God lives in Wellington.

Acc are an act of the devil in many situations.

nice_lady - 2021-05-23 18:38:00
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If you don't want one and don't need one and can't see the point, then don't bother. It is that simple.

Some can't manage 5 minutes without a mobile phone some have managed 75 years without and can't see the need.

Some manage with a sub $100 or even a sub $50 phone whilst others can't manage without a new $1,000+ phone as soon as a new one is released.

As for a12v car lead acid car battery instead. Get real. What are the constituent components? What gas is given off when charging and is it inflammable? Chemistry 101.

How many non-lithium batteries have exploded?

socram - 2021-05-23 19:09:00
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tegretol wrote:

Yep that correct. A neighbours 12yr old grand-son had one in his pocket that went on fire and gave the poor little bugger a big red hole on his thigh that needed surgery. Interestingly, ACC refused to pay and said it was an 'Act of God'. Perhaps their God lives in Wellington.

Oh wow sorry for joking around in my post above. Not really a joke when that happens in your life. I hope the boy is ok. Damn never thought they could be so dangerous.

muppet_slayer - 2021-05-23 20:48:00
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I use an app Map My Walk which consumes the battery quickly, so when I walked the Camino Frances in Spain, I found keeping the phone attached to a powerbank in my backpack while I walked mostly kept it charged. (I sometimes walked up to 38km per day, so it was really handy to know where I was, and what distance I had done.)

deecee2 - 2021-05-24 14:48:00
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socram wrote:

If you don't want one and don't need one and can't see the point, then don't bother. It is that simple.

Some can't manage 5 minutes without a mobile phone some have managed 75 years without and can't see the need.

Some manage with a sub $100 or even a sub $50 phone whilst others can't manage without a new $1,000+ phone as soon as a new one is released.

As for a12v car lead acid car battery instead. Get real. What are the constituent components? What gas is given off when charging and is it inflammable? Chemistry 101.

How many non-lithium batteries have exploded?


Over the years, I have handled & charged hundreds of car batterys
In the last 10 years, I probably would have handled & charged several thousand rechargable batterys of all common domestic types.
I have had a single car battery explode in my face once (learned that lesson well & then carried on dealing with them)
I have never had any issues with domestic rechargeable batterys apart from having to clean rotten batterys out of various devices.

I have tried to setting all sorts of solid rechargeable batterys on fire by stabbing/ crushing/ throwing on the ground/ running over them but haven't succeeded yet.
It's the same as cell ph fires at fuel stations, it's a very very specific set of circumstances to have one catch / cause a fire

Edited by mrfxit at 7:26 am, Tue 25 May

mrfxit - 2021-05-25 07:25:00
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Lol@ "I have tried to setting all sorts of solid rechargeable batterys on fire by stabbing/ crushing/ throwing on the ground/ running over them".

Crazy way to have fun.

nice_lady - 2021-05-25 07:42:00
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haha

ronaldo8 - 2021-05-25 10:42:00
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Hook one up directly to the mains, that should be fairly exciting.

Tips can be found here.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCl9OJE9OpXui-gRsnWjSrlA

ronaldo8 - 2021-05-25 10:45:00
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After a day of thinking about it, I think I am going to hook one up to the mains.....at a safe distance of course.

ronaldo8 - 2021-05-26 15:05:00
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