All-in-one computers - advice please.
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| 1 | I'm looking at replacing my ageing Dell desktop which has been a great 'little beastie' for many years. Checking their website for an heir and spotted a Dell 27 7000 All-in-one. Seems to match the specs I'm looking for but have nagging doubts over the negative comments that I read about All-In-One computers ages ago. Unfortunately my senior status doesn't give me instant recall any more so I'm looking for advice from the knowledgeable participants in this thread which would be greatly appreciated and I thank you all in advance. Cheers. docdoo - 2021-05-09 17:14:00 |
| 2 | I'd never buy or suggest an all in one, you can get better specs for cheaper in a desktop and separate screen. loud_37 - 2021-05-09 18:15:00 |
| 3 | Oh, I don't know - I bought an ex-hire HP EliteOne 800 about a year ago, under $400, and it's excellent.... autumnwinds - 2021-05-09 18:18:00 |
| 4 | Two words: Ripoff. One word: Don't. A few words: These are difficult to repair and upgrade. They're really just overgrown laptops. A 'true' desktop 'tower' with seperate screen is a much better proposition. Edited by nice_lady at 6:26 pm, Sun 9 May nice_lady - 2021-05-09 18:24:00 |
| 5 | As nice_lady said above, you better get a tower + Monitor for way cheaper price and upgradable system, for the specs of the Dell I would go with: flower_tears - 2021-05-09 18:53:00 |
| 6 | Excellent???? Edited by nice_lady at 7:21 pm, Sun 9 May nice_lady - 2021-05-09 19:20:00 |
| 7 | Well, I'm on my 2nd Acer ALL IN ONE and I love it. Admittedly I only use computers for the basic stuff like emails, Trademe, google searching etc. BUT it does all I need and I don't have that "damned tower" taking up valuable space in my wee over 60's unit. It's quick and quiet and I got this one 12 months ago after my last Acer ALL IN ONE died at 8 years old. ric581 - 2021-05-09 19:48:00 |
| 8 | Computers don't die. Parts can fail. These are really replaced on most devices. All in one computers are more difficult to repair and indeed often can be uneconomic to do so. That are NOT a recommended purchase Edited by nice_lady at 8:19 pm, Sun 9 May nice_lady - 2021-05-09 20:19:00 |
| 9 | Thank you all for sharing your knowledge and wisdom. Greatly appreciated. docdoo - 2021-05-09 21:39:00 |
| 10 | If you want any brand-name PC theres no reason not to go all in one, the whole anti-AIO argument falls apart if you are considering any big name brand, because none of them have standard motherboards, PSU's, etc. bitsnpieces2020 - 2021-05-10 08:30:00 |
| 11 | loud_37 wrote: lythande1 - 2021-05-10 08:32:00 |
| 12 | bitsnpieces2020 wrote:
Except for stupidities like if the screen fails it's a huge major to fix. And you can't add better graphics, or other expansion cards like USB ports, or anything! And even opening the thing to add ram or change a hard drive can be a bit of a nightmare. Edited by nice_lady at 8:57 am, Mon 10 May nice_lady - 2021-05-10 08:56:00 |
| 13 | lythande1 wrote: Apple does very well for AIO's but don't ask me to work on them. As a general Email/ FB /casual surfing & space saving concept, AIO's are great. mrfxit - 2021-05-10 09:30:00 |
| 14 | nice_lady wrote: could say the same for laptops, and they are wildly popular. bitsnpieces2020 - 2021-05-10 10:33:00 |
| 15 | Yeah but laptops are popular because they're portable. They're quite a different use case. nice_lady - 2021-05-10 10:41:00 |
| 16 | Love my HP all in one with 27inch screen. Is the second one I have had ( previous was a 23 inch) and I would happily have another if needed. Got my first around 2009 and would never go back to a std desktop with tower. Have had a laptop as well over some of those years but rarely ever used it. Never had any issues with either of the two I have had. kiwicarol - 2021-05-10 11:00:00 |
| 17 | Could use Small Form Factor computer, buy second hand on trademe, nice and cheap. Small Form Factor tower is much smaller. Could even use Ultra Small Form Factor, just can't put in a graphics card, but probably no need. tygertung - 2021-05-10 11:02:00 |
| 18 | another problem with the all in ones is the touch screen seems to fail on the odd occasion and starts clicking/tapping randomly all over the place... seen that on several occasions... SFF is the way to go for space saving... king1 - 2021-05-10 11:44:00 |
| 19 | king1 wrote:
Yep, a NUC with an i5 or i7, a bunch of ram and a M.2 SSD drive with a 27" screen. Thats what I'd be doing if space was at a premium. cube_guy - 2021-05-10 12:01:00 |
| 20 | king1 wrote: you just disable the drive for the touch interface, its not hard to work around. bitsnpieces2020 - 2021-05-10 12:20:00 |
| 21 | cube_guy wrote: A NUC is no better from a perspective of upgrade & repair options. bitsnpieces2020 - 2021-05-10 12:23:00 |
| 22 | bitsnpieces2020 wrote:
Its easier to upgrade and about the same in terms of repair. All being equal, a NUC would be cheaper with a standard stand alone screen than an AIO with a touchscreen that realistically, how often do you use? You are paying a premium for a form factor that most people barely make use of. cube_guy - 2021-05-10 12:43:00 |
| 23 | A touch screen on any kind of desktop is not something many people would use. It's not really ergonomically viable. nice_lady - 2021-05-10 13:03:00 |
| 24 | bitsnpieces2020 wrote: well, yeah, but it's still a fail... and the next feature update often re enables it ... Basically if you don't need a touch interface it can be a PITA down the track... Edited by king1 at 2:34 pm, Mon 10 May king1 - 2021-05-10 14:27:00 |
| 25 | I've found it VERY occasionally useful in the laptop. But I wouldn't pay more for that function. nice_lady - 2021-05-10 14:40:00 |
| 26 | nice_lady wrote: actual it is kinda useful when troubleshooting an all in one as you don't necessarily need a keyboard plugged in... king1 - 2021-05-10 14:59:00 |
| 27 | There are trade off's when you purchase an AIO, heat, faster clogging up of cooling systems, a much larger bill if any work needs doing on it, a much larger bill if you want to upgrade, the graphics cards are not upgradeable, if the screen dies the unit is basically a throw away, you are less likely to work on it yourself. All of these things can be overcome if you have a tower unit and they are much cheaper to work on than an AIO. muppet_slayer - 2021-05-10 15:10:00 |
| 28 | Yeah that's a lot of what I said at post #12. They're really not a good idea. And prolly say 'But it gets rid of all those cords/cables'. What, the two that go to the monitor? nice_lady - 2021-05-10 15:55:00 |
| 29 | Opps sorry nice lady, sorry for not reading the thread properly. Tee he he... muppet_slayer - 2021-05-10 16:22:00 |
| 30 | muppet_slayer wrote:
Nah it's all good you just reinforced what I had said ???? nice_lady - 2021-05-10 16:32:00 |
| 31 | . muppet_slayer - 2021-05-10 16:36:00 |
| 32 | Get an USFF and attach it to the back of the screen= Instant AIO. tygertung - 2021-05-10 16:37:00 |
| 33 | . muppet_slayer - 2021-05-10 16:40:00 |
| 34 | I have a lenovo thinkcentre edge all in one running a cnc machine, its excellent, very easy to open, tons of IO and very low latency running linuxcnc. I think I paid $150 for it, a terrible burden. a gen 4 i5 21" touchscreen model. If I ever need to upgrade it, which I won't as it does its job perfectly, I'd just replace it with another one. I.E its all about horses for courses, and all this "you must do this" stuff is waffle. The translation is "you must do this if you are exactly like me" ronaldo8 - 2021-05-10 19:17:00 |
| 35 | Who's saying "you must do this"? Your post is worse than our combined. OP wanted our opinions and we gave them, and YOU come in and attack us for our opinions! There's only one who looks bad here and it ain't us! muppet_slayer - 2021-05-10 20:27:00 |
| 36 | ric581 wrote: trade_menow - 2021-05-10 20:40:00 |
| 37 | muppet_slayer wrote:
Do you honestly think I give a shit about "looking bad" Definitive statements about shoe sizes are as silly as those that think everyone has the same size feet. Like it or lump it. Edited by ronaldo8 at 8:52 pm, Mon 10 May ronaldo8 - 2021-05-10 20:48:00 |
| 38 | ronaldo8 wrote: Not really if you're an uncouth type of human I guess. muppet_slayer - 2021-05-10 20:52:00 |
| 39 | muppet_slayer wrote:
I am, well done! ronaldo8 - 2021-05-10 20:53:00 |
| 40 | Thanks one and all from the OP. I have received some great advice which I am currently digesting. It looks like the tower and monitor is leading the charge at present. Cheers. docdoo - 2021-05-11 17:06:00 |
| 41 | Try this search which was from a previous thread: tygertung - 2021-05-11 17:57:00 |
| 42 | I just built a system for a family member for home/office use. It will never be upgraded again, but it will be used a lot. I7 10700 All up the cost was just under $2000. I would do this every time over buying an AIO, especially compared to the Dell AIO linked above for $2399. cube_guy - 2021-05-12 09:33:00 |
| 43 | docdoo wrote:
Some important things to keep in mind, a few pinches of salt to take the advice above with, context. Are you someone who sees themselves upgrading their computer often as opposed to using it till the end of its life then replacing it? Getting it open will be important if so. Are you interested in tinkering with computers ?vyoull want lots of space to try different configs and of course, get it open. Are you a gamer who requires a graphic s accelerator of higher performance than onboard graphics, which these days are more than adequate for simple browser based games for instance, 3d gaming specifically, a nice big case with plenty of airflow for that hot graphics card and system . Do you require a workstation for serious number crunching, an engineer for instance, again big is good. If the above are answered no, then the all in one in a very viable option, and by extension is not seen as one by those who would answer yes. I have several desktops, a laptop and an AIO as noted above, its dedicated to that one role, they all exist for a reason and are useful in the use cases they are designed for, your task is to decide just what that is. Otherwise you may as well be asking which is the best colour, all you will hear are biases. Its a sad fact that people find it difficult to see in any other terms other than the ones they themselves see in, apply salt liberally. Edited by ronaldo8 at 12:46 pm, Thu 13 May ronaldo8 - 2021-05-13 12:33:00 |
| 44 | But if money is a consideration, you might be better off with a second hand tower (small form factor), or even just a laptop. tygertung - 2021-05-13 12:43:00 |
| 45 | I think they're a lot more reliable than they used to be when first released but I personally wouldn't own one because of the potential for monitor issues - so much easier to deal with if its distinct from the PC Edited by king1 at 1:21 pm, Thu 13 May king1 - 2021-05-13 13:20:00 |
| 46 | If someone can convince me that their is another reason that you would buy an AIO other than it's form factor, then I open to hearing that reason. Compared to a standard PC with a stand alone screen an AIO is less powerful dollar for dollar, harder to upgrade and harder to repair. I see no other benefit other than it is built into the screen. The OP in this thread makes it sound like they are already using a desktop, so the space to have a new desktop is not an issue. The advice above to pay more for less computer just doesn't make sense. cube_guy - 2021-05-13 14:41:00 |
| 47 | Maybe an USFF would be the best option. (Ultra Small Form Factor). tygertung - 2021-05-13 14:44:00 |
