I thought I stuffed my new laptop...
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| 1 | I decided to dump the OS it came with and install my own without all the bloatware. I went into the bios and changed the boot order to boot from the usb stick which worked fine initially until it got stuck in an install boot loop. Basically it did the first part of the install until it needed to restart then it went back to the beginning again and would have continued to do that if I let it. What I found I had to do was change the boot order back to booting from the ssd after the first part of the install, when it went to restart I did it then and it worked, it carried on with the install. Why did I have to go back into the bios and change it to boot from the ssd to allow it to carry on with the install? Does anybody know why please? I panicked a bit there, just for a moment I thought OH NO! What have I done LOL muppet_slayer - 2021-05-07 17:56:00 |
| 2 | Oh forgot. Windows 10 and it's an MSI Alpha 17 A4DEK. muppet_slayer - 2021-05-07 17:58:00 |
| 3 | Whatever you did you should have done a Full Drive Image BEFORE you started. nice_lady - 2021-05-07 18:00:00 |
| 4 | muppet_slayer wrote:
It's very obvious. You changed the boot order and set it to boot from the USB key which you then left in the slot. During the install process, and any time thereafter, that the system needed to boot/reboot OF COURSE it's going to boot as you have instructed it to do - from the USB key. nice_lady - 2021-05-07 18:04:00 |
| 5 | nice_lady wrote: I know. I am stupid. I don't know enough about computers. I just wing it half the time. Bad I know. muppet_slayer - 2021-05-07 18:11:00 |
| 6 | As above. pheonix - 2021-05-07 18:13:00 |
| 7 | nice_lady wrote: I guess what I'm wondering is if the boot order can be set without changing it in the bios. My last laptop I could pop up a menu and set it to boot from the usb stick. They don't really go into detail in the user manual so I'm a bit in the dark. muppet_slayer - 2021-05-07 18:16:00 |
| 8 | pheonix wrote: Ah ok thanks for the info, just what I was after, and thanks to you too nice lady too. muppet_slayer - 2021-05-07 18:17:00 |
| 9 | ???? life's a learning curve. But seriously, learn how to image a drive BEFORE you get yourself into terrible. Edited by nice_lady at 6:20 pm, Fri 7 May nice_lady - 2021-05-07 18:19:00 |
| 10 | nice_lady wrote: Ok thanks guys for your help. I just tried plugging the usb stick in and tapping f11 and sure enough up popped the boot order DUH. I am such a dummy some times. Thanks guys for the valuable knowledge. Are there free programs that I can use to image the drive nice lady? I will take your advice and learn how to do it. muppet_slayer - 2021-05-07 18:25:00 |
| 11 | Where do I put the new image that I will create? muppet_slayer - 2021-05-07 18:26:00 |
| 12 | muppet_slayer wrote:
Macrium reflect is free and works well. You store the image file on an external drive ,(SSD, usb or whatever). Bit of a leaning curve. nice_lady - 2021-05-07 18:33:00 |
| 13 | There are other ways to image drives also without installing anything, (run off usb key at boot for instance). ETA: image files are usually approx half the size of the installation you image. This can vary depending on the compression you use Edited by nice_lady at 6:38 pm, Fri 7 May nice_lady - 2021-05-07 18:35:00 |
| 14 | Ok thanks so much for the info nice lady, and thanks too pheonix. I shall have a play around at some stage :) muppet_slayer - 2021-05-07 18:44:00 |
| 15 | You CAN store a drive image on an internal partition of the drive you are imaging but that can be a problem if that drive fails. And then you'd have to learn partitioning and how to direct the image program to only image partitions EXCLUDING the image storage partition. Best to store images externally. Edited by nice_lady at 6:45 pm, Fri 7 May nice_lady - 2021-05-07 18:45:00 |
| 16 | Can use dd command in linux terminal. Can put the image on a USB stick or external hard drive, Of course you won't have the linux terminal if you are running windows, but can boot it off a usb stick. tygertung - 2021-05-07 20:37:00 |
| 17 | Every Windows reinstall I do, create the USB media, open the USB stick in Windows, run the .exe, choose whether or not you want a clean install or to keep your personal files and click go. No bios, no changing the boot order. cube_guy - 2021-05-07 21:01:00 |
| 18 | In think the OP is on a bit of a learning curve. nice_lady - 2021-05-07 21:50:00 |
| 19 | Yes I certainly am learning. One of the problems I have is I don't retain info very well. If I was a microchip I would have been thrown away long ago Lol. I used, I think it was, partition wizard going on 10 years ago now to create an image back up, I was just mucking around, and I remember it did boot when I tested it. So I can do it if I try. I think I found a system image back up here in windows 10, it wants to put it on either a hard disk, one or more dvds, or on a network location. Might test it out tomorrow. Will have to be a hard disk. Another problem I have is I don't take anything on the computer very serious. It is all for pleasure so I have a bit of a blarzae attitude towards anything I do on them. muppet_slayer - 2021-05-08 00:23:00 |
| 20 | muppet_slayer wrote: Does the USB stick have a write-protect switch, was write-protect enabled? I've done installs previously exactly as you describe without this problem, I thought the installer would write a file to the USB stick that caused it to continue setup after rebooting without user action. gyrogearloose - 2021-05-08 06:27:00 |
| 21 | muppet_slayer wrote: However some laptop manufacturers, ASUS for instance allow you to remove the bloat with their own install software. lythande1 - 2021-05-08 08:55:00 |
| 22 | Hi My computer is storing all my bank login details. Please remind me how to cancel this. Thanks in advance. Cheers captaingraham - 2021-05-08 09:08:00 |
| 23 | captaingraham wrote: oops, sorry, wrong thread captaingraham - 2021-05-08 09:26:00 |
| 24 | gyrogearloose wrote: Nah it was my stupid fault. As said above I set the bios to boot from the usb so when it came time to reboot during the install process it basically did what it was told and rebooted from the usb again, instead it should have booted from the ssd at that point. At the very beginning of the install I failed to tap the f11 key on start up which brings up the temporary boot order, the difference is, when you bring up the temporary boot order that way, it will boot once from the usb stick and then boot from the ssd any boot after that so yeh it was my fault. I think I have explained that right. See I do learn something and retain it LOL If you've changed the boot order in the bios and the install has gone ahead as expected then all I can say to that is my bios is different and doesn't do that. Someone else might know more about it. muppet_slayer - 2021-05-08 12:16:00 |
| 25 | lythande1 wrote: Sorry but I love win blows. It's much simpler that linux. Linux you have to think too hard, win blows you don't have too. Most programs are made for win blows. I know you can run most win blows programs in most linux distros but I just love everything about win blows. I have played around with linux back in the day and it was fun but I think I broke more things than I fixed, I liked using the package installer and the terminal to download packages and install them but my loyalty has pretty much shifted over to win blows, and i'll probably get shot down for saying this, but is much simpler to use because a lot of the thinking has been done for us, linux requires much more thinking. muppet_slayer - 2021-05-08 12:34:00 |
| 26 | Linux is much easier now and usually all you have to do is install it, and everything usually just works, no drivers required. However some people prefer Windows. Lubuntu is pretty nice, has a very similar interface to Windows 10, runs fast and is reliable. You could consider making another partition on your computer and putting that on, or just keep using W10. You choose. tygertung - 2021-05-08 13:28:00 |
| 27 | Yeh it is much easier today......I don't know....I have installed mint and other distros before but my heart isn't in it now. I just really like windows for some reason, tis hard to explain. When I install linux I don't want to do anything on it but when I install windows I get excited and want to do all sorts with it. I guess it is opposite for you. So I don't think I will partition the drive to include linux, thanks anyway. muppet_slayer - 2021-05-08 14:07:00 |
| 28 | tygertung wrote:
Or you know, they can use their laptop which looks like Windows 10 because it IS Windows 10 and which also runs fast and is reliable where all you have to do is install it and where everything will work, no drivers required. I admire your commitment to your cause though! Edited by cube_guy at 2:44 pm, Sat 8 May cube_guy - 2021-05-08 14:44:00 |
| 29 | I must say windows have got it sussed now a days. When I did the fresh install it had 6 drivers it needed, one was an unknown driver, I thought oh no damn I have to find and install the drivers but then I thought of windows update. So the first thing I did was update it and sure enough all the drivers were installed after the updates.....sweet! muppet_slayer - 2021-05-08 14:49:00 |
| 30 | Glad you are happy with your Windows experience. Linux isn't for everyone. Some people like MacOS, some don't. Windows is the most popular desktop operating system. A lot of people like it and are used to it. tygertung - 2021-05-08 20:15:00 |
| 31 | muppet_slayer wrote: new hardware will always have driver issues. bitsnpieces2020 - 2021-05-10 09:02:00 |
| 32 | bitsnpieces2020 wrote:
Really ? nice_lady - 2021-05-10 09:07:00 |
| 33 | Having to find drivers through windows update is not "driver issues". I would have thought that is extremely normal? cube_guy - 2021-05-10 10:03:00 |
| 34 | It's pretty seamless these days. Better than it used to be for sure. nice_lady - 2021-05-10 10:07:00 |
| 35 | nice_lady wrote: bitsnpieces2020 - 2021-05-10 10:32:00 |
| 36 | bitsnpieces2020 wrote: Although I did expect a brand new windows10 machine to have all the drivers loaded at first boot up, windows updating is hardly an issue, just part in parcel of installing hardware now a days I suppose. It is by far better than my old 8570p which I had to pain stakingly find and install missing drivers that windows update ignored. Things have got better. muppet_slayer - 2021-05-10 14:37:00 |
| 37 | Exactly. nice_lady - 2021-05-10 14:39:00 |
| 38 | bitsnpieces2020 wrote:
Bullshit, drivers are written well before the general public have access to the hardware. If you can find the driver for your hardware that's on you. bronzeblood - 2021-05-12 14:51:00 |
| 39 | Winging it and breaking it is a great way to learn. fishb8 - 2021-05-13 11:35:00 |
