it might be an interesting watch tonight.

https://www.primetv.co.nz/a-living-hell-apartment-disasters

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/04/housing-d
ocumentary-reveals-shocking-state-of-new-zealand-apartment-b
locks.html

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/latest/124788794/li
ving-hell-apartment-disasters-exposes-stonefields-block-and-
calls-on-mbie-to-get-involved-with-wider-problem

ian1990 - 2021-04-14 19:06:00

ian1990 wrote:

it might be an interesting watch tonight.

https://www.primetv.co.nz/a-living-hell-apartment-disasters

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/04/housing-d
ocumentary-reveals-shocking-state-of-new-zealand-apartment-b
locks.html

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/latest/124788794/li
ving-hell-apartment-disasters-exposes-stonefields-block-and-
calls-on-mbie-to-get-involved-with-wider-problem

Lol. From your second link:
'Entitled A Living Hell: Apartment Disasters, the programme reveals that even new builds are not immune to a glut of defections'.

What the hell is happening to journalism in this country?

apollo11 - 2021-04-14 19:31:00

That's appalling, so many reasons for this, but where do you start.

gabbysnana - 2021-04-14 20:32:00

well that was a bit disappointing.
i was hoping they would show technical details of whats actually failing.

tweake - 2021-04-14 20:46:00

There are so many ridiculous buildings being built in recent years.
There are decks with rooms underneath. Don't do that! They always leak.
There are internal gutters that leak.
There is flat panel cladding with bogged up joints. They always leak.
There are well known architects whose recent houses are being demolished because they leak and it is cheaper to start again. That is just disgraceful.

trade4us2 - 2021-04-14 21:11:00

My key takeout is don't buy an apartment built in the last 30 years. If you have, Sell, Run Forest Run.

It appears Australia has similar issues caused by deregulation over the last 3 decades:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYzwIrybSjU

ian1990 - 2021-04-14 21:44:00

Non disclosure by agents is a biggie, especially the mount maunganui ones and now coming on stream are all the overseas developers rice paddy developments, who build and run.

gabbysnana - 2021-04-15 08:12:00

That man who represents the owners, (someone Grey?) certainly has been working hard on behalf of everyone. Thank goodness he is there, it must be so depressing and stressful on him.
I didn’t realise how widespread leaky and badly constructed buildings were. The fact that some companies are STILL building sub standard astounds me.

The thing that really annoys me is here in Queenstown, when Apartments were popping up like mushrooms everywhere in the late 90s, early 00s and were later found to be leakers, our Council, (aka us ratepayers) had to pay for the repairs and it usually cost more than the original build.
At the time, there were a few locals trying to warn the Council the buildings were dodgy but their concerns fell on deaf ears.
It’s a total mess eh? ????

lovelurking - 2021-04-15 09:06:00

Not just apartments. Be wary of anything built in the last 3 or 4 decades, and certainly anything 'architect designed' that just involves straight lines.

soundsgood - 2021-04-15 09:14:00

soundsgood wrote:

Not just apartments. Be wary of anything built in the last 3 or 4 decades, and certainly anything 'architect designed' that just involves straight lines.

I was working for a window installer back in the 90's. We did a lot of leak detection in multi-storey apartments and commercial buildings. Water can travel a long way before it drips out and becomes noticeable. It can even travel upwards with capillary action or air pressure changes. I don't think it's possible to build a leak proof building. Some architects don't have a good understanding of how to minimise or manage water ingress.

apollo11 - 2021-04-15 11:01:00

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kittycatkin - 2021-04-15 12:14:00

apollo11 wrote:

I was working for a window installer back in the 90's. We did a lot of leak detection in multi-storey apartments and commercial buildings. Water can travel a long way before it drips out and becomes noticeable. It can even travel upwards with capillary action or air pressure changes. I don't think it's possible to build a leak proof building. Some architects don't have a good understanding of how to minimise or manage water ingress.

I would suggest that one basic approach, especially if using timber, is to make sure it has a 'proper' gabled roof. Anything with just straight lines ('architectural design' seems to mean putting them at an angle to each other) should be considered as likely to be suspect.

Older buildings in NZ not having such problems would seem to indicate that it is possible.

soundsgood - 2021-04-15 12:20:00

kittycatkin wrote:

Agents can be had up for non-disclosure.

Paddy fields in NZ ? Where ? And why ?

some were indeed planted many years ago in Northland, too close to the east coast and the salt laden ground with salt laden winds killed them off.

jethrocat - 2021-04-15 21:00:00

Have a look at some houses being built still.
No eves 4 degrees pitch roofs H1 treatment of the timber under the
Tin tiles roofs full of nails ( only need one to start leaking).
Even Auckland can be a high rain fall area.

rodeorunch - 2021-04-15 21:59:00

trade4us2 wrote:

There are so many ridiculous buildings being built in recent years.
There are decks with rooms underneath. Don't do that! They always leak.
There are internal gutters that leak.
There is flat panel cladding with bogged up joints. They always leak.
There are well known architects whose recent houses are being demolished because they leak and it is cheaper to start again. That is just disgraceful.

Get rid of reliance on Silicon for sealing joints it is the worst thing that happened to the building industry .

martin11 - 2021-04-16 07:55:00

martin11 wrote:

Get rid of reliance on Silicon for sealing joints it is the worst thing that happened to the building industry .

Every single time I see "architectural design" plastered in building adverts, I GRINGE

mrfxit - 2021-04-18 17:28:00