| 1 | What’s with this? https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/124676884/carter
-holt-harvey-supply-shakeup-could-change-the-future-of-housi
ng-in-new-zealand-federation-says Is it because we send the majority logs to be processed in China? What an utterly ridiculous situation for New Zealand, one of the best producers of timber for its size, to be in. Apparently this sort of thing has been happening in the states as well.... lakeview3 - 2021-03-28 11:05:00 |
| 2 | Getting tired of these Chicken Little type scare stories in the media. As the article states: "Some timber mills in New Zealand may step in to fill the gap, but the more likely solution would be builders switching to alternative wood products, he said." “It might mean we start having houses built a little bit differently.” sparkychap - 2021-03-28 11:15:00 |
| 3 | sparkychap wrote:
Getting tired of these Chicken Little type scare stories in the media. As the article states: "Some timber mills in New Zealand may step in to fill the gap, but the more likely solution would be builders switching to alternative wood products, he said." “It might mean we start having houses built a little bit differently.” We have had for years steel framed homes . martin11 - 2021-03-28 11:18:00 |
| 4 | martin11 wrote:
We have had for years steel framed homes . Absolutely. Although the concept of not having wooden dwangs to nail shit into terrifies some buyers... sparkychap - 2021-03-28 11:19:00 |
| 5 | Didn't we recently have a large sawmill close down? apollo11 - 2021-03-28 11:21:00 |
| 6 | https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/408106/sawmill-closures-
as-overseas-market-subsidies-inflate-log-prices-industry apollo11 - 2021-03-28 11:26:00 |
| 7 | apollo11 wrote:
Didn't we recently have a large sawmill close down? whakatane..... There is something fishy going on here, how can we be short of timber when we once had the largest man made forest in the Southern Hemisphere? lakeview3 - 2021-03-28 11:26:00 |
| 8 | martin11 wrote:
We have had for years steel framed homes .
China will sell us steel or wood to build houses and even wool for insulation and milk and cheese, its not as if we won't be able to get things we need. ash4561 - 2021-03-28 11:28:00 |
| 9 | apollo11 wrote:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/408106/s
awmill-closures-as-overseas-market-subsidies-inflate-log-pri
ces-industry my husband follows a guy on you tube who works in the timber industry in the states and he was talking about this kind of thing months ago. Lack of supply and escalating prices. All I can say is ‘what a coincidence’ Edited by lakeview3 at 11:31 am, Sun 28 Mar lakeview3 - 2021-03-28 11:28:00 |
| 10 | lakeview3 wrote:
whakatane....-
. There is something fishy going on here, how can we be short of timber when we once had the largest man made forest in the Southern Hemisphere? Which one in Whakatane? smallwoods - 2021-03-28 11:32:00 |
| 11 | lakeview3 wrote:
my husband follows a guy on you tube who works in the timber industry in the states and he was talking about this kind of thing months ago. Lack of supply and escalating prices. All I can say is ‘what a coincidence’
I've got a couple of US building guys on my subs and yes, they were complaining months ago. The Chinese are taking a wrecking ball to world trade. apollo11 - 2021-03-28 11:34:00 |
| 12 | smallwoods wrote:
Which one in Whakatane? https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/124354027/whakatane-mill-wo
rkers-distraught-as-fight-continues-for-its-salvation lakeview3 - 2021-03-28 11:34:00 |
| 13 | apollo11 wrote:
I've got a couple of US building guys on my subs and yes, they were complaining months ago. The Chinese are taking a wrecking ball to world trade. seems that way doesn’t it? Why are we so weak and let them do it? So they have done it with milk powder, iron ore from aussie ??, steel, now wood......oh yes and aussie wine...... lakeview3 - 2021-03-28 11:36:00 |
| 14 | lakeview3 wrote:
What’s with this? https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/124676884/carter
-holt-harvey-supply-shakeup-could-change-the-future-of-housi
ng-in-new-zealand-federation-says Is it because we send the majority logs to be processed in China? What an utterly ridiculous situation for New Zealand, one of the best producers of timber for its size, to be in. Apparently this sort of thing has been happening in the states as well.... Ol LV, got hold of the wrong end of the stick! smallwoods - 2021-03-28 11:37:00 |
| 15 | lakeview3 wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/124354027/whakatane-mill-wo
rkers-distraught-as-fight-continues-for-its-salvation[/quote
] That's a bloody PAPER mill. smallwoods - 2021-03-28 11:38:00 |
| 16 | smallwoods wrote:
That's a bloody PAPER mill. is it? I didn’t read properly. Still it’s bad news though isn’t it. It’s all related to the timber processing industry. lakeview3 - 2021-03-28 11:47:00 |
| 17 | lakeview3 wrote:
seems that way doesn’t it? Why are we so weak and let them do it? So they have done it with milk powder, iron ore from aussie ??, steel, now wood......oh yes and aussie wine......
Because the Globalists (yes sparky, they do exist) believe in free movement in capital, goods and people. It also means that the CCP has been let loose among the pigeons. apollo11 - 2021-03-28 12:05:00 |
| 18 | So the West with it's restrictive regulation, environmental and employment law can't compete with a command controlled system with a substantial amount of anti-competitive business behaviour and slave labour. Hoocouldanode? apollo11 - 2021-03-28 12:09:00 |
| 19 | apollo11 wrote:
Because the Globalists (yes sparky, they do exist) believe in free movement in capital, goods and people. It also means that the CCP has been let loose among the pigeons. haven’t they just. Edited by lakeview3 at 12:26 pm, Sun 28 Mar lakeview3 - 2021-03-28 12:26:00 |
| 20 | lakeview3 wrote:
What’s with this? https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/124676884/carter
-holt-harvey-supply-shakeup-could-change-the-future-of-housi
ng-in-new-zealand-federation-says Is it because we send the majority logs to be processed in China? What an utterly ridiculous situation for New Zealand, one of the best producers of timber for its size, to be in. Apparently this sort of thing has been happening in the states as well.... looks like its only the manufacture of wides that causing the issue.
it may simply mean switching to laminated products, steel, or systems like T stud. probably dropped mitre10 and bunnings because of fixed price contracts. more $$$ made selling it elsewhere. tweake - 2021-03-28 12:36:00 |
| 21 | tweake wrote:
looks like its only the manufacture of wides that causing the issue.
it may simply mean switching to laminated products, steel, or systems like T stud.
probably dropped mitre10 and bunnings because of fixed price contracts. more $$$ made selling it elsewhere.
So is it just a matter of ITM, Bunnings and Mitre10 switching suppliers, or are they in for a rough time? apollo11 - 2021-03-28 12:45:00 |
| 22 | lakeview3 wrote:
seems that way doesn’t it? Why are we so weak and let them do it? So they have done it with milk powder, iron ore from aussie ??, steel, now wood......oh yes and aussie wine...... I heard on the radio this morning that Scotland send their fish to China to be filleted and bring it back for sale. Ridiculous isn't it. kacy5 - 2021-03-28 13:00:00 |
| 23 | lakeview3 wrote:
whakatane....-
. There is something fishy going on here, how can we be short of timber when we once had the largest man made forest in the Southern Hemisphere? its a paper mill not a saw mill. gabbysnana - 2021-03-28 13:01:00 |
| 24 | smallwoods wrote:
That's a bloody PAPER mill. . sparkychap - 2021-03-28 13:03:00 |
| 25 | apollo11 wrote:
So is it just a matter of ITM, Bunnings and Mitre10 switching suppliers, or are they in for a rough time? red stag about to reap benefits, carters been turning out shit timber at premium prices since forever, good little religious company that they are. gabbysnana - 2021-03-28 13:04:00 |
| 26 | lakeview3 wrote:
is it? I didn’t read properly. Still it’s bad news though isn’t it. It’s all related to the timber processing industry. So you just googled the first thing that you thought supported your argument. sparkychap - 2021-03-28 13:04:00 |
| 27 | kacy5 wrote:
I heard on the radio this morning that Scotland send their fish to China to be filleted and bring it back for sale. Ridiculous isn't it. That's been going on for decades. Everyone holds their hands up in horror, but the question is always would consumers pay far more to have someone on minimum wage do it locally? sparkychap - 2021-03-28 13:06:00 |
| 28 | sparkychap wrote:
So you just googled the first thing that you thought supported your argument. no I heard it on the radio last week lakeview3 - 2021-03-28 13:13:00 |
| 29 | sparkychap wrote:
That's been going on for decades. Everyone holds their hands up in horror, but the question is always would consumers pay far more to have someone on minimum wage do it locally?
I would. Especially if it were fresher. Well I'd probably catch and fillet it myself, but theoretically, yes. apollo11 - 2021-03-28 13:17:00 |
| 30 | lakeview3 wrote:
no I heard it on the radio last week then just googled and posted a link you didn't read. sparkychap - 2021-03-28 13:18:00 |
| 31 | sparkychap wrote:
That's been going on for decades. Everyone holds their hands up in horror, but the question is always would consumers pay far more to have someone on minimum wage do it locally? It's the same here, we demand higher wages and NZ can't compete so businesses close down. I didn't realise Scotland had been doing it for decades though, sad state of affairs for many countries. kacy5 - 2021-03-28 13:21:00 |
| 32 | sparkychap wrote:
then just googled and posted a link you didn't read.
The issue we have these days is access to too much information (much of it conflicting) and you can find anything that supports your point of view very quickly. I used to actually trust scientists, can you believe it? apollo11 - 2021-03-28 13:22:00 |
| 33 | apollo11 wrote:
I used to actually trust scientists, can you believe it? I just googled and found 34,232 articles suggesting that you didn't. So there. sparkychap - 2021-03-28 13:23:00 |
| 34 | sparkychap wrote:
I just googled and found 34,232 articles suggesting that you didn't. So there.
Versus the 65 000 that say I did, so I win. apollo11 - 2021-03-28 13:24:00 |
| 35 | kacy5 wrote:
It's the same here, we demand higher wages and NZ can't compete so businesses close down. I didn't realise Scotland had been doing it for decades though, sad state of affairs for many countries. Oh I agree, and the effect on the environment is crazy, shipping stuff around the world and back. sparkychap - 2021-03-28 13:28:00 |
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| 37 | sparkychap wrote:
Oh I agree, and the effect on the environment is crazy, shipping stuff around the world and back.
The top dozen largest ships produce the same amount of sulphur dioxide pollution as all of the cars in the world- according to google. apollo11 - 2021-03-28 13:30:00 |
| 38 | apollo11 wrote:
Because the Globalists (yes sparky, they do exist) believe in free movement in capital, goods and people. It also means that the CCP has been let loose among the pigeons. Yes I know that globalists exist, but the free market economy so lauded by capitalists see the profit of shipping our best "export quality" for the biggest profit whilst leaving the cast off cuts for us here... sparkychap - 2021-03-28 13:31:00 |
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| 40 | apollo11 wrote:
So is it just a matter of ITM, Bunnings and Mitre10 switching suppliers, or are they in for a rough time?
don't know. depends on if there is anyone willing to supply at prices bunnings etc want. tweake - 2021-03-28 13:32:00 |
| 41 | apollo11 wrote:
The top dozen largest ships produce the same amount of sulphur dioxide pollution as all of the cars in the world- according to google. Wow, I didn't know that. Also read that bitcoin mining uses more electricity than all the EVs in the world at the moment! sparkychap - 2021-03-28 13:32:00 |
| 42 | sparkychap wrote:
Yes I know that globalists exist, but the free market economy so lauded by capitalists see the profit of shipping our best "export quality" for the biggest profit whilst leaving the cast off cuts for us here...
I don't think a free market has ever existed. apollo11 - 2021-03-28 13:33:00 |
| 43 | apollo11 wrote:
Versus the 65 000 that say I did, so I win. Yes but if I phrase the question in google correctly, your 64,000 results don't appear and therefore don't exist. sparkychap - 2021-03-28 13:35:00 |
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| 45 | sparkychap wrote:
Wow, I didn't know that. Also read that bitcoin mining uses more electricity than all the EVs in the world at the moment! Yes, it must be true, I heard it on talk back radio one night when I couldn’t sleep... |
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| 47 | sparkychap wrote:
Yes but if I phrase the question in google correctly, your 64,000 results don't appear and therefore don't exist.
OK, you win. apollo11 - 2021-03-28 13:38:00 |
| 48 | apollo11 wrote:
I don't think a free market has ever existed. I don't disagree, as there are rules, regulations, trade agreements and tariffs. But I still believe that exporting goods is all around maximising profit rather. Second Ferengi Rule of Acquisition. sparkychap - 2021-03-28 13:41:00 |
| 49 | kittycatkin wrote:
We are all, I suspect, using Chinese computers, and own televisions, radios and other appliances made there. I would be surprised if any of mine were not made in China, and appreciate the lower cost of these mass-produced items.
I'd pay more for something made here, if there was a choice. And I have noticed a little bit of choice creeping into places like Mitre10. The other day I bought a spade and a broom- both made in NZ. They were more expensive but better quality by the look of it. apollo11 - 2021-03-28 13:42:00 |
| 50 | sparkychap wrote:
I don't disagree, as there are rules, regulations, trade agreements and tariffs. But I still believe that exporting goods is all around maximising profit rather. Second Ferengi Rule of Acquisition.
I'm all for 'fair' free trade, ie where the other crowd aren't using slave labour. apollo11 - 2021-03-28 13:43:00 |
