1949
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ODT19491124.2.1
23.1?items_per_page=10&page=3&query=housing+prices+r
ise&snippet=true

mkr_ahearn - 2021-03-17 16:40:00

The government had begun constructing what became known
as ‘state houses’ in 1937, and nearly 30% of all homes constructed in 1949 were state rentals. Under the National government elected at the end of 1949, construction of new state houses was less of a priority.
National preferred what it called “a property-owning democracy,” and after
1951, tenants of state houses were able to purchase them on favourable terms. Over the next decade under governments of both stripes, nearly 17,000 tenants did so One-third of all state houses passed into private hands over a 30-year period.

https://www.nzinitiative.org.nz/reports-and-media/reports/pr
iced-out/document/36

sparkychap - 2021-03-17 16:58:00

sparkychap wrote:

The government had begun constructing what became known
as ‘state houses’ in 1937, and nearly 30% of all homes constructed in 1949 were state rentals. Under the National government elected at the end of 1949, construction of new state houses was less of a priority.
National preferred what it called “a property-owning democracy,” and after
1951, tenants of state houses were able to purchase them on favourable terms. Over the next decade under governments of both stripes, nearly 17,000 tenants did so One-third of all state houses passed into private hands over a 30-year period.

https://www.nzinitiative.org.nz/reports-and-media/reports/pr
iced-out/document/36

amazing isn’t it? So many people also claim they didn’t get help from the govt.....yet......

You don’t have to go too far to find someone who has lived in a state house at some point in their life....I spent the first 5 years of my life in one, I don’t hide the fact.

But no, the biggest state benefactors pulled the ladder up after them.....and this leads us to the absolute mess we are in today. Desperation of some fuelled by the greed and hypocrisy of others.

Edited by lakeview3 at 5:21 pm, Wed 17 Mar

lakeview3 - 2021-03-17 17:20:00

sparkychap wrote:

The government had begun constructing what became known
as ‘state houses’ in 1937, and nearly 30% of all homes constructed in 1949 were state rentals. Under the National government elected at the end of 1949, construction of new state houses was less of a priority.
National preferred what it called “a property-owning democracy,” and after
1951, tenants of state houses were able to purchase them on favourable terms. Over the next decade under governments of both stripes, nearly 17,000 tenants did so One-third of all state houses passed into private hands over a 30-year period.

https://www.nzinitiative.org.nz/reports-and-media/reports/pr
iced-out/document/36

Yep

mkr_ahearn - 2021-03-17 17:32:00

No the only problem was to stop immigration 10 years ago, but no it didn't happen and now you have this problem. That is it in one.

msigg - 2021-03-17 17:54:00

msigg wrote:

No the only problem was to stop immigration 10 years ago, but no it didn't happen and now you have this problem. That is it in one.

So without any mass immigration at the moment, house prices are falling.

sparkychap - 2021-03-17 17:58:00

msigg wrote:

No the only problem was to stop immigration 10 years ago, but no it didn't happen and now you have this problem. That is it in one.

If Kiwis want to take up those jobs immigrants are coming in to do, there is nothing stopping them. Pretty sure the painting crew of 6 and *another race who could speak very little English* were not taking jobs from willing kiwis.

and they did a superb job.

Edited by heather902 at 6:11 pm, Wed 17 Mar

heather902 - 2021-03-17 18:11:00

sparkychap wrote:

So without any mass immigration at the moment, house prices are falling.

well the 2000 501s who have just come back in the last 2 months won’t be helping things.....nor will the returning New Zealanders

lakeview3 - 2021-03-17 19:29:00

heather902 wrote:

If Kiwis want to take up those jobs immigrants are coming in to do, there is nothing stopping them. Pretty sure the painting crew of 6 and *another race who could speak very little English* were not taking jobs from willing kiwis.

and they did a superb job.

yeah and they probably got paid $2 an hour while the person running the show got the bulk of the money.

You do have to ask though, why are they even here? Or should I say, why were they ever allowed to come here?

And look this exploitation‘situation’ didn’t just happen overnight.....we may never be able to unpack to true damage of it.

lakeview3 - 2021-03-17 19:39:00

lakeview3 wrote:

yeah and they probably got paid $2 an hour while the person running the show got the bulk of the money.

You do have to ask though, why are they even here? Or should I say, why were they ever allowed to come here?

And look this exploitation‘situation’ didn’t just happen overnight.....we may never be able to unpack to true damage of it.

I highly doubt that this company is operating illegally. They have no reason to not be able to pay minimum wage. And you have no reason to make that judgement based solely on race.
The reason is because there are not Kiwi born able bodied young and older people lining up to be a part of a painting crew. You go get quotes and see who will put their hand up for the job. Painting a scaffolded 11 meter tall + chimney stacks house is hard work.

They come under construction labour shortage. Plastering and painting.

Edited by heather902 at 8:50 pm, Wed 17 Mar

heather902 - 2021-03-17 20:48:00

lakeview3 wrote:

well the 2000 501s who have just come back in the last 2 months won’t be helping things.....nor will the returning New Zealanders

Please provide some evidence of these 2,000 501 deportees to NZ in the last 2 months, please....

sparkychap - 2021-03-17 21:15:00

Sounds like returning NZers are having great difficultly getting into NZ, so it's not them

sweetgurl108 - 2021-03-17 21:30:00

sparkychap wrote:

Please provide some evidence of these 2,000 501 deportees to NZ in the last 2 months, please....

and that’s just to one region......apparently......le-
t’s just say I heard it from a reliable local source......happy to be proven wrong of course.....

Maybe some journalists could follow that up and request some actual documented stats.

lakeview3 - 2021-03-17 22:08:00

heather902 wrote:

I highly doubt that this company is operating illegally. They have no reason to not be able to pay minimum wage. And you have no reason to make that judgement based solely on race.
The reason is because there are not Kiwi born able bodied young and older people lining up to be a part of a painting crew. You go get quotes and see who will put their hand up for the job. Painting a scaffolded 11 meter tall + chimney stacks house is hard work.

They come under construction labour shortage. Plastering and painting.

there are plenty of kiwis who could/would do that. IF they were paid properly. I mean why is it that manual labour is so poorly paid???? It’s way harder than sitting at some desk punching stuff into a computer and many other jobs.

As for the ‘I have no proof’ not that specific outfit, no, but there is ample proof this is a common practice amongst migrant employees/employers.

If you are still following the national party mantra that it’s not happening well it’s time to start reading. The news is riddled with cases and those are just the ones we hear about. I gave examples I had come across locally and got ridiculed by many on here......and what do ya know, turns out it was rife.

As for the paint, why do you think I like brick so much and would avoid a weatherboard house like the plague? ????

Edited by lakeview3 at 10:21 pm, Wed 17 Mar

lakeview3 - 2021-03-17 22:13:00

lakeview3 wrote:

and that’s just to one region......apparently......le-
t’s just say I heard it from a reliable local source......happy to be proven wrong of course.....

Maybe some journalists could follow that up and request some actual documented stats.

"reliable local source", lol:

During the Nine interview, Mr Dutton said Australia had deported more than 700 people from immigration detention over the past 12 months. More than 2,600 Kiwis were sent home between December 2014 and January 2020.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/trans-tasman-spat-erupts-after-p
eter-dutton-refers-to-immigration-deportees-as-trash_1

sparkychap - 2021-03-18 06:43:00

sparkychap wrote:

"reliab-
le local source", lol:

During the Nine interview, Mr Dutton said Australia had deported more than 700 people from immigration detention over the past 12 months. More than 2,600 Kiwis were sent home between December 2014 and January 2020.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/trans-tasman-spat-erupts-after-p
eter-dutton-refers-to-immigration-deportees-as-trash_1[/quot
e]

well if that’s what you say......this was a pretty good source. As I say.....would be good for some investigative journalist in this country to probe it a little further dont ypu think?

lakeview3 - 2021-03-18 07:46:00

lakeview3 wrote:

there are plenty of kiwis who could/would do that. IF they were paid properly. I mean why is it that manual labour is so poorly paid???? It’s way harder than sitting at some desk punching stuff into a computer and many other jobs.

As for the ‘I have no proof’ not that specific outfit, no, but there is ample proof this is a common practice amongst migrant employees/employers.

If you are still following the national party mantra that it’s not happening well it’s time to start reading. The news is riddled with cases and those are just the ones we hear about. I gave examples I had come across locally and got ridiculed by many on here......and what do ya know, turns out it was rife.

As for the paint, why do you think I like brick so much and would avoid a weatherboard house like the plague? ????

What is wrong with starting out on Minimum wage as a young person? most of the guys who worked here were under 20.
Painters can earn a pretty good living once they are experienced. They can choose to work as an employee or contractor.

As for brick houses.... different strokes for different folks. no one must live in a brick house. I happen to like the look of weatherboard, the nuisance of painting every 15 years isn't a problem so big i'd choose brick.

heather902 - 2021-03-18 08:08:00

heather902 wrote:

What is wrong with starting out on Minimum wage as a young person? most of the guys who worked here were under 20.
Painters can earn a pretty good living once they are experienced. They can choose to work as an employee or contractor.

As for brick houses.... different strokes for different folks. no one must live in a brick house. I happen to like the look of weatherboard, the nuisance of painting every 15 years isn't a problem so big i'd choose brick.

oh I love the look of weatherboard too. Luckily common sense wins over vanity for for me and I just don’t like having to fork out $40K every 10-15 years. Better things to spend my money on thanks.

lakeview3 - 2021-03-18 08:11:00

heather902 wrote:

What is wrong with starting out on Minimum wage as a young person? most of the guys who worked here were under 20.
Painters can earn a pretty good living once they are experienced. They can choose to work as an employee or contractor.

As for brick houses.... different strokes for different folks. no one must live in a brick house. I happen to like the look of weatherboard, the nuisance of painting every 15 years isn't a problem so big i'd choose brick.

so we have a whole crew of young painters, who can barely speak English.....sounds like potential exploitation to me. Again I ask the question, how on earth did they manage to immigrate here?

lakeview3 - 2021-03-18 08:13:00

lakeview3 wrote:

oh I love the look of weatherboard too. Luckily common sense wins over vanity for for me and I just don’t like having to fork out $40K every 10-15 years. Better things to spend my money on thanks.

No one is forcing you to have a weatherboard house lmao, you are way to invested in how other people spend their money.

heather902 - 2021-03-18 08:20:00

lakeview3 wrote:

so we have a whole crew of young painters, who can barely speak English.....sounds like potential exploitation to me. Again I ask the question, how on earth did they manage to immigrate here?

Sounds like you are a bit racist to me.
They come in on the skills shortage list... construction.

heather902 - 2021-03-18 08:21:00

heather902 wrote:

No one is forcing you to have a weatherboard house lmao, you are way to invested in how other people spend their money.

you’re right I don’t give a FF what other people waste their money/time on. But it is kind of amusing sometimes.

lakeview3 - 2021-03-18 08:22:00

heather902 wrote:

Sounds like you are a bit racist to me.
They come in on the skills shortage list... construction.

oh not THAT old trick! The nats tried that already. Never mind about the fact they are actual people and they deserve to be treated fairly and have rights.

Don’t forget to call me a bigot and xenophobe while you are at it, just so New Zealanders can ‘save money’.

Edited by lakeview3 at 8:28 am, Thu 18 Mar

lakeview3 - 2021-03-18 08:25:00

lakeview3 wrote:

you’re right I don’t give a FF what other people waste their money/time on. But it is kind of amusing sometimes.

but look how pretty.

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1508197036.jpg

heather902 - 2021-03-18 08:28:00

lakeview3 wrote:

oh not THAT old trick! The nats tried that already. Never mind about the fact they are actual people and they deserve to be treated fairly and have rights.

Don’t forget to call me a bigot and xenophobe while you are at it, just so New Zealanders can ‘save money’.

well you are making some huge assumptions based solely on being an immigrant. look back on all the accusations you have made. if the hat fits..

heather902 - 2021-03-18 08:29:00

lakeview3 wrote:

So many people also claim they didn’t get help from the govt.....yet......

You don’t have to go too far to find someone who has lived in a state house at some point in their life....I spent the first 5 years of my life in one, I don’t hide the fact.
.

We didn't. Bought first house in 1979. Interest rates in the 20s....
Moved out of Akld and back in, thus requiring a new mortgage, sold the house to son 1/2 price, and moved in with aged mum, don't own anything now.
But it helped son out.

lythande1 - 2021-03-18 08:30:00

lakeview3 wrote:

well if that’s what you say......this was a pretty good source. As I say.....would be good for some investigative journalist in this country to probe it a little further dont ypu think?

It's not what I say, its what is being stated by Peter Dutton, who is overall in charge of the programme on behalf of the Aussie govt. But I'm sure your anonymous source knows more.

sparkychap - 2021-03-18 08:54:00

heather902 wrote:

but look how pretty.

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1508197036.jpg[
/quote]

couldn’t you have painted that yourself?

lakeview3 - 2021-03-18 09:16:00

sparkychap wrote:

It's not what I say, its what is being stated by Peter Dutton, who is overall in charge of the programme on behalf of the Aussie govt. But I'm sure your anonymous source knows more.

they might be quite well informed......

lakeview3 - 2021-03-18 09:16:00

heather902 wrote:

well you are making some huge assumptions based solely on being an immigrant. look back on all the accusations you have made. if the hat fits..

or you assumed they were all getting paid fairly and were here legitimately. Did you ask them?

Then you used the ‘racism’ excuse to try and shut down any valid discussion about it.

Edited by lakeview3 at 9:25 am, Thu 18 Mar

lakeview3 - 2021-03-18 09:18:00

sparkychap wrote:

It's not what I say, its what is being stated by Peter Dutton, who is overall in charge of the programme on behalf of the Aussie govt. But I'm sure your anonymous source knows more.

let’s just unpack this gobbledygook for a minute;

‘During the Nine interview, Mr Dutton said Australia had deported more than 700 people from immigration detention over the past 12 months. More than 2,600 Kiwis were sent home between December 2014 and January 2020.’

So we can interpret this to mean: in the past 12 months ‘more than’ 700 people have been deported from detention.....so how many were also deported that weren’t in detention?

‘More than’ 2600 kiwis were sent home between dec 14 and jan 20. How many is ‘more than’ it could be anything. Could be 10,000 for all we know.

NOW, let’s get some actual factual numbers from somebody, ANYBODY!

lakeview3 - 2021-03-18 09:24:00

lakeview3 wrote:

they might be quite well informed......

Sure Jan, so who are they?

sparkychap - 2021-03-18 09:24:00

lakeview3 wrote:

let’s just unpack this gobbledygook for a minute;

‘During the Nine interview, Mr Dutton said Australia had deported more than 700 people from immigration detention over the past 12 months. More than 2,600 Kiwis were sent home between December 2014 and January 2020.’

So we can interpret this to mean: in the past 12 months ‘more than’ 700 people have been deported from detention.....so how many were also deported that weren’t in detention?

‘More than’ 2600 kiwis were sent home between dec 14 and jan 20. How many is ‘more than’ it could be anything. Could be 10,000 for all we know.

NOW, let’s get some actual factual numbers from somebody, ANYBODY!

But probably not 2000 in 2 months to one region....

sparkychap - 2021-03-18 09:25:00

sparkychap wrote:

Sure Jan, so who are they?

someone who should know.....because it affects them

lakeview3 - 2021-03-18 09:26:00

sparkychap wrote:

But probably not 2000 in 2 months to one region....

well not that has been reported anyway!

Happy to be proven wrong. That would be so much better for us all wouldn’t it?

Edited by lakeview3 at 9:30 am, Thu 18 Mar

lakeview3 - 2021-03-18 09:27:00

lakeview3 wrote:

well not that has been reported anyway!

Happy to be proven wrong. That would be so much better for us all wouldn’t it?

No, you are the one making the claim - you're the one who should prove yourself right.

sparkychap - 2021-03-18 09:42:00

lakeview3 wrote:

or you assumed they were all getting paid fairly and were here legitimately. Did you ask them?

Then you used the ‘racism’ excuse to try and shut down any valid discussion about it.

well why wouldn't I? why should I assume anything to the contrary.

heather902 - 2021-03-18 11:15:00

lakeview3 wrote:

couldn’t you have painted that yourself?

I could have. but why should I?

heather902 - 2021-03-18 11:15:00

heather902 wrote:

I could have. but why should I?

I could guess but only you know why I suppose.

lakeview3 - 2021-03-18 13:56:00

lakeview3 wrote:

couldn’t you have painted that yourself?

Probably for the same reason I now get contractors/tradies in to do jobs. I'm keeping them in work, I can afford to pay and I don't want to do it, better things to do with my time, I want it done quickly, etc. Been there, done that in other houses over the years.

I had spraying contractors in and for the price it would have cost me almost the same, agriculture spray isn't cheap and they use stronger spray than I can buy. It would have taken me days, they had it done in under an hour. I would have still been reading the instructions and mixing the first container full by the time they were heading down the drive, job done.

kacy5 - 2021-03-18 14:39:00

kacy5 wrote:

Probably for the same reason I now get contractors/tradies in to do jobs. I'm keeping them in work, I can afford to pay and I don't want to do it, better things to do with my time, I want it done quickly, etc. Been there, done that in other houses over the years.

I had spraying contractors in and for the price it would have cost me almost the same, agriculture spray isn't cheap and they use stronger spray than I can buy. It would have taken me days, they had it done in under an hour. I would have still been reading the instructions and mixing the first container full by the time they were heading down the drive, job done.

exactly, this house is huge, it had massive scaffolding on three faces, why on earth would i want to paint it myself when i can afford a professional job. i would not have achieved the same result.
I don't understand what Lakeviews problem is with how other people spend their money.

heather902 - 2021-03-18 16:16:00

heather902 wrote:

exactly, this house is huge, it had massive scaffolding on three faces, why on earth would i want to paint it myself when i can afford a professional job. i would not have achieved the same result.
I don't understand what Lakeviews problem is with how other people spend their money.

exactly if you can afford to get it down then why not..it is your money :)

cathi - 2021-03-18 16:25:00

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domy2010 - 2021-03-18 23:21:00

domy2010 wrote:

The real issue with the housing problem we have are the banks. In 1980 the average house was $25,500, and then $715,500 in 2020, 28 times higher (and NZX has changed 10 fold in that same time period. Home loans with the banks were $900m in 1980, by 2020 they are close to $296B.

Deregulation of banks in 1984 was the problem, and the current banks that most of us are indebted is a large part of the problem today. Great for the banks though.

It's the banks. Increasing house prices means more grubby profits for them. The bigger the loan, the more money they can create and charge interest on. And if the whole thing goes tits up, well they are too big to allow to fail.

apollo11 - 2021-03-19 12:17:00

heather902 wrote:

exactly, this house is huge, it had massive scaffolding on three faces, why on earth would i want to paint it myself when i can afford a professional job. i would not have achieved the same result.
I don't understand what Lakeviews problem is with how other people spend their money.

I love the colour you chose. Last house we had, we got it professionally painted. We were going to do it ourselves but when hubby was sanding and said " I can't get this down to bare metal" decided that it was best to pay the money. He's a panel beater, not a painter lol. Our current house we will paint ourselves as it's hardy board and really easy to prep.

annie17111 - 2021-03-19 12:55:00

How long was the maximum term for a loan in the 80s?

Edited by loose.unit8 at 1:28 pm, Fri 19 Mar

loose.unit8 - 2021-03-19 13:28:00

ok NZ has a housing problem... and there are many theories etc on how we got to this situation, but sitting around deciding what theory is the best, the most plausible does not get Ms Smith and her 2 kids out of the back of a car and into a house / flat / unit any time soon !!
If we say today is day 1, what has to happen on day 2 to start to remedy this problem.. does the remedy lie with "the government" or city council or corporate NZ or mum & dad new zealanders, or a mixture of all of them ??

Basically the time has come to stop putting time and effort into deciding who's fault it is and divert this effort into a fix !!

As long as my taxes do not increase, I can pocket a decent tax free capital gain when I sell my house, and they do not construct grubby state houses or tenement blocks in my street / suburb, and I can sit on my patio overlooking my 1/4 acre and see green fields dotted with sheep and or cows and not bulldozers etc cutting up the land for a sub-division, I will be a happy little nimby !!

onl_148 - 2021-03-19 13:42:00

heather902 wrote:

exactly, this house is huge, it had massive scaffolding on three faces, why on earth would i want to paint it myself when i can afford a professional job. i would not have achieved the same result.
I don't understand what Lakeviews problem is with how other people spend their money.

interesting.....

lakeview3 - 2021-03-19 13:52:00

annie17111 wrote:

I love the colour you chose. Last house we had, we got it professionally painted. We were going to do it ourselves but when hubby was sanding and said " I can't get this down to bare metal" decided that it was best to pay the money. He's a panel beater, not a painter lol. Our current house we will paint ourselves as it's hardy board and really easy to prep.

thanks lol trying to get the house to bare metal... but that's just it, I wouldn't know how far to sand back and what had to be reprimed etc. these guys do this in day out, they know what they are doing.
People who paint there own houses sometimes make more work in the long run for themselves.

heather902 - 2021-03-19 14:20:00

heather902 wrote:

People who paint there own houses sometimes make more work in the long run for themselves.

Yep - I did this once on a 2 storey board and batten house. Never again.

sparkychap - 2021-03-19 14:40:00