Intensified housing is ugly
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| 1 | Are these "ugly homes" and "godforsaken design" what Auckland's leaders and planners had in mind when they promised a new era of high quality design? WDYT? sparkychap - 2021-02-13 10:12:00 |
| 2 | I think most housing built these days is pretty ugly. monopitch or boxy rubbish. apollo11 - 2021-02-13 10:42:00 |
| 3 | Looks like the house 12 year old me would have drawn. Box with windows. Someone is being paid good coin for those designs. sw20 - 2021-02-13 10:51:00 |
| 4 | sparkychap wrote: we have a heap of them sitting on 200sq of land in Greenhills, supposedly upmarket for 750 to 850k , stunned banks are lending on them, young people think they are wonderful gabbysnana - 2021-02-13 12:26:00 |
| 5 | sparkychap wrote: what i really disagree with is that they remove a lot of the weather protection to achieve that look. they relay heavily on good quality construction for their water proofing, and good construction goes out the window when its not a top end house. the double whammy is its very hard to remove homes from nz housing stock. so if they are a problem they will be a problem for many decades and effect many many families that live in them. tweake - 2021-02-13 13:08:00 |
| 6 | Hard to see how landscaping, that people are to wait for before passing judgement, will mitigate such ghastly design. Surely the window design or finishes could have been a bit smarter. The rectangular box shape broken up in some way? What a cop-out with the Mayor saying they have no control. ACC could have control if they wanted to, they just don't want to. shanreagh - 2021-02-13 13:10:00 |
| 7 | reminds me of: Little Boxes by Malvina Reynolds Little boxes on the hillside jethrocat - 2021-02-13 13:13:00 |
| 8 | Anyone who has anything to do with art or design will look at those and cringe, the spacing around the windows is wrong. It has the effect of making the box on the right look upside down. apollo11 - 2021-02-13 13:41:00 |
| 9 | jethrocat wrote: exactly except there is no green, pink,blue or yellow. Just grey grey grey and beige brouser3 - 2021-02-13 13:42:00 |
| 10 | Should show them to the good citizens of St Albans, who might then feel lucky to have gotten off so lightly with these: https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/4/y/q/w/f/h luteba - 2021-02-13 13:54:00 |
| 11 | Completely in character with the house next door... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8Dctqym99c&feature=emb_ But there's one thing that annoys me above all.... sparkychap - 2021-02-13 18:49:00 |
| 12 | sparkychap wrote: They are hideous................. stevo2 - 2021-02-13 19:50:00 |
| 13 | Their Unitary plan is more Urinary p ss poor. mercury14 - 2021-02-13 21:29:00 |
| 14 | They are as attractive as shipping containers stacked on top of each other with a ranch slider and a window to look out at the next block of shipping containers stacked on top of each other. Anyone know how many can be stacked without falling. I might look at building an apartment block with an outside stair case. ash4561 - 2021-02-14 00:27:00 |
| 15 | They don't look too bad, but yes, it would be better with some kind of eaves for weathertightness. tygertung - 2021-02-14 07:42:00 |
| 16 | sparkychap wrote:
The agent? At least he's wearing a tie. committed - 2021-02-14 09:11:00 |
| 17 | committed wrote: But his collar isn't done up. Sartorial Rules 102(2)(c) states you can onlyhave a tie and open collar if you're Gordon Gecko. Edited by sparkychap at 9:15 am, Sun 14 Feb sparkychap - 2021-02-14 09:15:00 |
| 18 | "And if you stand on a footstool in the far left of the top floor window, you can just see Silvia Park". sparkychap - 2021-02-14 09:16:00 |
| 19 | I like the inside to a point. No idea why anyone would want the largest windows from the bedrooms facing the street. That being said how could you improve the outside? I wouldn't even want to drive past those. The placement isn't helping - construction site smoko room comes to mind. sweetgurl108 - 2021-02-14 10:02:00 |
| 20 | It will only get worse. If any of you have bothered to read it, one of the policies of the the NPS-UD (which all councils will have to implement into their district plans in the next couple of years) is this: Policy 6: When making planning decisions that affect urban environments, decision-makers So the way I interpret that is it's a subjective free-for-all with no ability for councils to include design as an adverse effect. Most developers (of course) are going to design to the max to get the max yield and $$. IMHO we are not a nation with fantastic architectural ability for the most part...and there's really nothing in place that dictates true quality or design (whatever that is?) Auckland tried to get decent design criteria into the Plan so that it formed part of the rules, but it was refused because specific rules for design are outside of the scope of what the RMA provides for. Councils get a bad rap sometimes...this is the GOVERNMENT that has written this policy and overarching legislation- not local body. The same NPS UD also requires every council to remove whatever rules they have about minimum parking requirement. So where current district plans have a minimum number of 2 x carparks per dwelling (or whatever) then this rule has to come out. It's anyone's guess how this will impact amenity but all I can say is, if you think the above example is "bad" then maybe try to get used to it because from what I've seen of the new policies which apparently address the housing "crisis", there's gonna be a whole lot more of them. cameron-albany - 2021-02-14 10:27:00 |
| 21 | sweetgurl108 wrote: masturbidder - 2021-02-14 10:28:00 |
| 22 | They beauty if in the eye of the beholder but to me these are ugly monstrosities that even most 10 year olds could create a more aesthetic exterior. Yet these are designed by high paid profesionals. gamefisher - 2021-02-14 12:21:00 |
| 23 | sweetgurl108 wrote: ash4561 - 2021-02-14 14:04:00 |
| 24 | jethrocat wrote: sounds like the person who wrote that was jealous or something? Isn’t a ticky tacky box better than a car, tent, garage or caravan? lakeview3 - 2021-02-14 18:04:00 |
| 25 | lakeview3 wrote: Edited by sarahb5 at 6:40 pm, Sun 14 Feb sarahb5 - 2021-02-14 18:40:00 |
| 26 | sarahb5 wrote: more like dear old Malvina had no idea just how important a ticky tacky box is for most people’s well-being and from a quick read about her, all she did was study and play music. How lovely for her, that won’t pay the bills these days. I am sure she found it funny at the time though... lakeview3 - 2021-02-14 19:37:00 |
| 27 | Actually it sounds like she is talking about her own life... lakeview3 - 2021-02-14 20:04:00 |
| 28 | A shipping container was advertised on trademe for $390 a week as a one bedroom house with a garden shed with a washing machine and separate utilities possibly in the house and car parking on the grass beside it in wellington. Got pulled off council are going to check its up to standard, they usually are if there done properly. ash4561 - 2021-02-14 20:05:00 |
| 29 | Meh well they could have always put a dirty great apartment tower there, that’s better than a ticky tacky box isn’t it? Can fit more people in? Those boxes don’t look that weathertight to me, no eaves. I wouldn’t want to live in one if I had a choice. I agree they are pretty ugly but at least it’s somewhere for people to live. I mean 500,000 people gotta go somewhere right? Edited by lakeview3 at 8:10 pm, Sun 14 Feb lakeview3 - 2021-02-14 20:10:00 |
| 30 | lakeview3 wrote:
Goodness me...totally missed the point about the song, the singer and why she wrote it all. Back in the day this was all about the sadness of conformity to 'the man', suburbs full of unthinking people.......a very mild call to the action at the beginning of the 1960s that later moved into the student riots, anti Vietnam war protests, anti govt protests of all kinds, Woodstock and other movements. These cookie cutter monstrosities today may fit a basic need for shelter but humans need more than the basics to thrive. Just because they are so needed does not mean that they cannot be things of beauty, good design and functionality at the same time. shanreagh - 2021-02-14 20:13:00 |
| 31 | shanreagh wrote: she sounds like an entitled spoilt person living in lala land to me. My mother grew up with newspapers on the top of her bed to keep her warm and she was born way after this lady. lakeview3 - 2021-02-14 20:17:00 |
| 32 | lakeview3 wrote: Edited by sarahb5 at 8:24 pm, Sun 14 Feb sarahb5 - 2021-02-14 20:22:00 |
| 33 | sarahb5 wrote: or is it? ???????? ???? or maybe I see it for what it is. True satire, humour and wit is an art that few people ever master. lakeview3 - 2021-02-14 20:29:00 |
| 34 | lakeview3 wrote:
Well you've certainly missed the impact that the song had back then against conformist thinking of all kinds and in doing so missed the anti conformism movement of the 1960s....that led onto the anti sexism, anti racism and other isms from the 70s on. We need to house our people. We do not need to house them in monstrosities when design that can be useful and beautiful is easily achieved. NB the song is not about the life times/style of the singer but about the words. Edited by shanreagh at 8:44 pm, Sun 14 Feb shanreagh - 2021-02-14 20:43:00 |
| 35 | shanreagh wrote: I probably missed it because I wasn’t born yet Probably also explains why I don’t find it so ‘funny’ lakeview3 - 2021-02-14 20:52:00 |
| 36 | Post war prefabs were fairly ugly and basic but plenty of people were just grateful to have a roof over their heads - I imagine there are still people who feel that way and would rather live in an ugly ticky tacky box than under a bridge or in a shop doorway sarahb5 - 2021-02-14 20:56:00 |
| 37 | lakeview3 wrote: Satire doesn't have to be funny to be effective. sparkychap - 2021-02-14 20:56:00 |
| 38 | sarahb5 wrote: at least we can agree on something. lakeview3 - 2021-02-14 21:00:00 |
| 39 | sparkychap wrote: just like beauty, I guess it’s in the eye of the beholder...... lakeview3 - 2021-02-14 21:02:00 |
| 40 | They have been crap for decades, ever since particle board became a thing. lythande1 - 2021-02-14 21:23:00 |
| 41 | lakeview3 wrote:
Knowledge of any type of history is not predicated on whether or not you were born then. How would we know about Shakespeare or The First World War, or Martin Luther King ....you have to read about these in social history. Not 'funny' just thoughtful......on the one hand we need to house people. On the other hand there is nothing that says they have to be housed in exactly the same type of cookie-cutter houses. The 1950s/early 60s was a time of general conservatism which is understandable after the Second World War, but many, often younger ones, saw that conservatism in everything was stifling new ideas. Hence the railing against the sameness in housing which perhaps turned out cookie cutter people. Big Yellow Taxi sung by Joni Mitchell was along the same lines 'They paved paradise and put up a parking lot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2595abcvh2M Edited by shanreagh at 9:29 pm, Sun 14 Feb shanreagh - 2021-02-14 21:26:00 |
| 42 | lakeview3 wrote: sarahb5 - 2021-02-14 21:31:00 |
| 43 | lakeview3 wrote:
Not really. You get it or you don't. Some people don't get it. It used to be said (as a generalisation) that the British specialised in the satirical films /TV programmes ie relying on the use of language while the Americans had great fun with the 'in your face' gags like pie throwing etc 'The use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.' Wiki Edited by shanreagh at 9:42 pm, Sun 14 Feb shanreagh - 2021-02-14 21:35:00 |
| 44 | lakeview3 wrote:
Houses like these ones we are criticising design-wise, are unlikely to house those most in need for whom we have a requirement for a much greater programme of social house building. shanreagh - 2021-02-14 21:41:00 |
| 45 | shanreagh wrote: yes and what is amusing to some isn’t quite so amusing to others.....which then sometimes just demonstrates how the satirist is living in another world. What seems funny or ironic to them is serious stuff for someone else. lakeview3 - 2021-02-14 21:42:00 |
| 46 | lakeview3 wrote:
That is the same for all forms of humour not just satire.....you get or you don't. A friend was on a train journey in Indonesia and extracts from 'Mr Bean' were showing on the in carriage films. My friend was killing himself with laughter, even though he had seen them all before, while the rest in the carriage sat looking in blank incomprehension. shanreagh - 2021-02-14 21:46:00 |
| 47 | lakeview3 wrote: sarahb5 - 2021-02-14 21:47:00 |
| 48 | Yep, like whoever expected the Spanish Inquisition to be funny.... sparkychap - 2021-02-14 21:54:00 |
| 49 | lakeview3 wrote:
Also you don't seem to get it that these songs were what they call protest songs...they were not meant to be funny, funny and were not funny funny. They were meant to provoke thought, as satire does. They drew attention to social needs and aspirations. The stuff they were protesting was serious stuff to them, conformity, the stifling of thought, the use of DDT, of concreting everything and ripping out trees while creating urban sprawl and suburbia. shanreagh - 2021-02-14 21:55:00 |
| 50 | sparkychap wrote: sarahb5 - 2021-02-14 21:58:00 |
