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https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/123876235/real-esta
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Gill said he had bought and removed buildings before and described the resource consent costs as “bureaucratic c..., ridiculous”. He will not pay them, he said.

What a great religion!
The divine light is calling.

pcle - 2021-01-09 07:01:00
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What an idiot.

sparkychap - 2021-01-09 07:48:00
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“ Gill admitted he did not do any due diligence or consult a lawyer before buying the property, and did not even visit it beforehand.

“It’s not for the customer to do due diligence, it’s the real estate agent who mucked it up. They should pay to turn it residential.””

sparkychap - 2021-01-09 07:50:00
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It's probably not a good idea to believe whatever a RE agent tells you.

apollo11 - 2021-01-09 08:01:00
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"Wow have you ever had the dream of renovating a church?

This is the opportunity to make those dreams a reality now. These former Methodist churches have long standing history in the area.

The original Horrellville church Built in 1861 has a floor area of approximately 86 sqm Weatherboard cladding with a timber floor on piles and a corrugated iron roof. This was converted to a hall with kitchen and toilet many years ago and remains a Heritage Building.

In the 1950s a new church was built with a floor area of approximately 84 sqm of concrete construction on piles with a concrete ring foundation and concrete tile roof. Front and rear entrances with a separate storage room.

Two titles are selling as one offering."

sparkychap - 2021-01-09 08:24:00
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I don't see the bit that mentions 'residential'.

apollo11 - 2021-01-09 08:42:00
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apollo11 wrote:

I don't see the bit that mentions 'residential'.

Its on the right of the listing:

https://mikepero.com/real-estate/canterbury/waimakariri/west
-eyreton/1330-poyntzs-road-west-eyreton-RX2523171/

BUT anyone who claims to have done this all before many times and relied on that when the listing has more red flags than Moscow....?

sparkychap - 2021-01-09 08:45:00
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At face value he should succeed in his complaint against the agent.

johnston - 2021-01-09 08:45:00
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johnston wrote:

At face value he should succeed in his complaint against the agent.

Agreed, but that doesn't remove that he's an idiot. Do you think this would be sufficient to warrant compensation?

sparkychap - 2021-01-09 08:48:00
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sparkychap wrote:

Agreed, but that doesn't remove that he's an idiot. Do you think this would be sufficient to warrant compensation?


Would the agent have some form of indemnity insurance for this sort of issue?

apollo11 - 2021-01-09 09:09:00
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apollo11 wrote:


Would the agent have some form of indemnity insurance for this sort of issue?

Yes. However, if he chooses to involve his insurer, which he should given the possibility of compensation, he will still be liable for the first x amount.

The greatest harm is reputational damage.

johnston - 2021-01-09 09:28:00
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sparkychap wrote:

Agreed, but that doesn't remove that he's an idiot. Do you think this would be sufficient to warrant compensation?

Possibly and I would consider arguing for the complainant for rectification which could have the financial benefit for the complainant and would be less costly to achieve.

The complainant should lawyer up.

johnston - 2021-01-09 09:31:00
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The idiot aspect doesn't detract from the focus on the conduct of the agent but could be a factor in contributory negligence.

johnston - 2021-01-09 09:33:00
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johnston wrote:

The idiot aspect doesn't detract from the focus on the conduct of the agent but could be a factor in contributory negligence.

I'm highly suspicious around all of this, as it would also suggest that his lender didn't raise any red flags (and they're likely to have known it was not a residential property, and it might have even needed a registered valuation) and then his lawyer should also have raised concerns.

As well as the Hall being a registered Heritage property, it's also on the Councils Earthquake Prone Buildings register, potentially needing costly structural work.

Edited by sparkychap at 10:24 am, Sat 9 Jan

sparkychap - 2021-01-09 10:24:00
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The member deleted this message.

gunna-1 - 2021-01-09 10:28:00
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gunna-1 - 2021-01-09 10:29:00
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gunna-1 wrote:

Oh the dilemma, what a worry, we have people being tortured over in the Philippines buy duterte and his lackies and no one cares, the knites Templar is makeing a comeback after being burnt at the stake in the middle ages, but lets worry about one man takeing the piss, shows where the priorities are..

What?

johnston - 2021-01-09 10:37:00
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johnston wrote:

What?


eccentric
[ ik-sen-trik, ek- ]

adjective
deviating from the recognized or customary character, practice, etc.; irregular; erratic; peculiar; odd: eccentric conduct; an eccentric person.

noun
a person who has an unusual, peculiar, or odd personality, set of beliefs, or behavior pattern.
something that is unusual, peculiar, or odd.

apollo11 - 2021-01-09 10:58:00
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apollo11 wrote:


eccentric
[ ik-sen-trik, ek- ]

adjective
deviating from the recognized or customary character, practice, etc.; irregular; erratic; peculiar; odd: eccentric conduct; an eccentric person.

noun
a person who has an unusual, peculiar, or odd personality, set of beliefs, or behavior pattern.
something that is unusual, peculiar, or odd.

Thank you.

johnston - 2021-01-09 11:09:00
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..pass around whatever he's smoking...

masturbidder - 2021-01-09 11:32:00
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masturbidder wrote:

..pass around whatever he's smoking...


Datura can be ingested many ways....

apollo11 - 2021-01-09 11:49:00
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johnston wrote:

The idiot aspect doesn't detract from the focus on the conduct of the agent but could be a factor in contributory negligence.

Not a crime to be an idiot but could be to do idiotic things. Are you referring to the buyer or agent?

amasser - 2021-01-09 11:57:00
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The member deleted this message.

gunna-1 - 2021-01-09 12:01:00
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gunna-1 wrote:

Google duterte,s laundry list of miss deads, no one baited an eye, as for the knites templar, its worse than a few symbols on freemason buildings, it is literally picking up from the grass roots again.

Miss Deads, who is this fine sounding woman? And why does Duterte have her laundry list?
Nice edit lol.

Edited by apollo11 at 12:06 pm, Sat 9 Jan

apollo11 - 2021-01-09 12:03:00
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gunna-1 - 2021-01-09 12:12:00
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gunna-1 wrote:

What schmucks are responsible for tolerating this.


Duterte is just transforming the Phillipines into a true socialist paradise.

apollo11 - 2021-01-09 12:17:00
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sparkychap wrote:

"Wow have you ever had the dream of renovating a church?

This is the opportunity to make those dreams a reality now. .

"

There are are plenty of other religions or cults with equally strange origins. At least this prophet for profit isnt relying on voices or apparitions.

webworth - 2021-01-09 12:27:00
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DILLIGAF. I could get into that.

apollo11 - 2021-01-09 12:29:00
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This won't end well

sweetgurl108 - 2021-01-09 13:11:00
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gunna-1 wrote:

Oh the dilemma, what a worry, we have people being tortured over in the Philippines buy duterte and his lackies and no one cares, the knites Templar is makeing a comeback after being burnt at the stake in the middle ages, but lets worry about one man takeing the piss, shows where the priorities are..

It's taking all the self control I can muster to NOT correct the spelling and grammatical errors.

thumbs647 - 2021-01-09 14:16:00
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This message was deleted.

gunna-1 - 2021-01-09 16:23:00
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sparkychap wrote:

I'm highly suspicious around all of this, as it would also suggest that his lender didn't raise any red flags (and they're likely to have known it was not a residential property, and it might have even needed a registered valuation) and then his lawyer should also have raised concerns.

As well as the Hall being a registered Heritage property, it's also on the Councils Earthquake Prone Buildings register, potentially needing costly structural work.

Where does it say he had a lender?

ebygum1 - 2021-01-09 17:07:00
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apollo11 wrote:


eccentric
[ ik-sen-trik, ek- ]

adjective
deviating from the recognized or customary character, practice, etc.; irregular; erratic; peculiar; odd: eccentric conduct; an eccentric person.

noun
a person who has an unusual, peculiar, or odd personality, set of beliefs, or behavior pattern.
something that is unusual, peculiar, or odd.

Eccentrics are just crazy people with money.

sw20 - 2021-01-09 17:13:00
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ebygum1 wrote:

Where does it say he had a lender?

On the Title.

sparkychap - 2021-01-09 17:15:00
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sparkychap wrote:

On the Title.


How dare you throw facts in our face like that.

apollo11 - 2021-01-09 17:17:00
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amasser wrote:

Not a crime to be an idiot but could be to do idiotic things. Are you referring to the buyer or agent?

Trump??

mrcat1 - 2021-01-09 19:05:00
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So a guy trying to find a cheap way to house his family is called ‘an idiot’.

believe me he isn’t the problem

lakeview3 - 2021-01-09 19:42:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

So a guy trying to find a cheap way to house his family is called ‘an idiot’.

believe me he isn’t the problem

But he wasn't. Did you actually read the article?

sparkychap - 2021-01-09 19:47:00
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sparkychap wrote:

But he wasn't. Did you actually read the article?

see post 2

lakeview3 - 2021-01-09 19:50:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

see post 2

That post just says "Idiot". Nothing about "He planned to convert the property into a house to rent out.".

sparkychap - 2021-01-09 19:52:00
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sparkychap wrote:

But he wasn't. Did you actually read the article?


Clearly not

orphic1 - 2021-01-09 19:52:00
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orphic1 wrote:


Clearly not

lol you came in here just to post that! Funny.

lakeview3 - 2021-01-09 20:06:00
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sparkychap wrote:

“ Gill admitted he did not do any due diligence or consult a lawyer before buying the property, and did not even visit it beforehand.

“It’s not for the customer to do due diligence, it’s the real estate agent who mucked it up. They should pay to turn it residential.””


In my view only an idiot would buy a property sight unseen, and with no professional advice. Really he should just grit his teeth and get on with it. Perhaps the REA could squiffle five grand his way to get the Resource consent started?

apollo11 - 2021-01-09 20:14:00
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apollo11 wrote:


Datura can be ingested many ways....

don't

funkydunky - 2021-01-09 20:35:00
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lakeview3 wrote:

lol you came in here just to post that! Funny.

their contribution seems more accurate than yours. Funny.

sparkychap - 2021-01-09 21:30:00
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apollo11 wrote:


In my view only an idiot would buy a property sight unseen, and with no professional advice. Really he should just grit his teeth and get on with it. Perhaps the REA could squiffle five grand his way to get the Resource consent started?

Yeah - I'm torn on this one. Sure the agent does appear to have misrepresented the property and the buyer might have a strong case against them as Johnston notes.

But to buy an ex-church, with one building Heritage listed, without doing even the simplest of due diligence screams negligence on the buyers behalf.

sparkychap - 2021-01-09 21:59:00
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johnston wrote:

At face value he should succeed in his complaint against the agent.


No he has no show
Please be aware that this information has been sourced from third parties. View our property information disclaimer here: mikepero.com/property-disclaim-
er/
He was an idiot to buy without even getting a lim report

andrewcg53 - 2021-01-09 22:37:00
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andrewcg53 wrote:


No he has no show
Please be aware that this information has been sourced from third parties. View our property information disclaimer here: mikepero.com/property-disclaim-
er/
He was an idiot to buy without even getting a lim report

Mere conduit is not a defence.

sparkychap - 2021-01-09 22:41:00
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andrewcg53 wrote:


No he has no show
Please be aware that this information has been sourced from third parties. View our property information disclaimer here: mikepero.com/property-disclaim-
er/
He was an idiot to buy without even getting a lim report

I would include his supervisor given your post. Any benefit of the disclaimer has been undone by the agents misrepresentation.

johnston - 2021-01-09 22:48:00
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johnston wrote:

I would include his supervisor given your post. Any benefit of the disclaimer has been undone by the agents misrepresentation.


what misrepresentation

andrewcg53 - 2021-01-09 22:53:00
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