| 1 | Could someone give me an advice please? I live in a rental house, and I just found out the house was used to sell drugs. This has happened last year and I moved in earlier this year. I cannot prove the direct link but since we moved in here, me and my wife got lumps on our necks (I spent 2k on checkups), and everyone including my 22 months toddler have been coughing ever since we moved in. No one in the family smokes and i quit smoking 32 months ago.
I am surprised that the property manager did not disclose this, knowing we have a baby. I would not moved in here even if i knew about this, even if the house was decontaminated properly. On the other hand, we have been burgled two months ago the property manager even tried to charge us for changing locks, blaming us for the burglary. I am thinking of getting the meth test at my cost before I confront the property manager. or should i ask the property manager to disclose the details?
Thank you all in advance. okcashbag - 2020-12-15 17:47:00 |
| 2 | I don’t know how to help sorry but put everything in writing to the property manager. Then if you need to take it further you have proof of conversation/dates etc. All the best. Edited by lakeview3 at 6:03 pm, Tue 15 Dec lakeview3 - 2020-12-15 18:03:00 |
| 3 | I think you need some sort of proper legal advice. Citizens advice bureau would be a starting point. If things are as bad as you suspect they are you should be up for some compensation and the property manager and landlord may be looking at penalties. Others on here will be able to advise you more clearly especially johnstone. skull - 2020-12-15 18:16:00 |
| 4 | lakeview3 wrote:
I don’t know how to help sorry but put everything in writing to the property manager. Then if you need to take it further you have proof of conversation/dates etc. All the best.
Thanks. I still cannot believe how this property manager did not disclose such information knowing that we have a baby. I have asked her whether we should move out of the property now. okcashbag - 2020-12-15 18:20:00 |
| 5 | skull wrote:
I think you need some sort of proper legal advice. Citizens advice bureau would be a starting point. If things are as bad as you suspect they are you should be up for some compensation and the property manager and landlord may be looking at penalties. Others on here will be able to advise you more clearly especially johnstone.
I don't need compensation but I hope this Property manager and/or landlord to face some justice. I just wanna move out asap. Thank you for your advice, appreciated! Edited by okcashbag at 6:22 pm, Tue 15 Dec okcashbag - 2020-12-15 18:21:00 |
| 6 | Yes go and talk to the property manager, so you say used to sell drugs, did you see this with your own eyes, Most meth testing is a have, I don't think this has got to do with any drugs, have you looked into bed bugs, leas etc, you might need someone to come in and spray the house. It's in your head now about the drugs so you will always think this way, best get talking to landlord and find another rental. msigg - 2020-12-15 19:40:00 |
| 7 | It could be that it’s just damp and that has caused the coughing, but a meth test could give you peace of mind? I sincerely wish you all the best, you sound like a great and caring husband and parent. As the other poster said you could always ring the citizens advice bureau- they usually have a lawyer who comes in once a week and can give free advice to people. Or community law could be another place to contact? https://www.cab.org.nz/ https://communitylaw.org.nz/ lakeview3 - 2020-12-15 19:59:00 |
| 8 | A 'Drug house'? What sort of drugs? Use or manufacture? marte - 2020-12-15 20:08:00 |
| 9 | okcashbag wrote:
Could someone give me an advice please? I live in a rental house, and I just found out the house was used to sell drugs. This has happened last year and I moved in earlier this year. I cannot prove the direct link but since we moved in here, me and my wife got lumps on our necks (I spent 2k on checkups), and everyone including my 22 months toddler have been coughing ever since we moved in.
ventilation, ventilation, ventilation and ventilation.
ventilation is your friend here. put a fan next to a window if you have to. tweake - 2020-12-15 20:30:00 |
| 10 | okcashbag wrote:
Thanks. I still cannot believe how this property manager did not disclose such information knowing that we have a baby. I have asked her whether we should move out of the property now. .
So what is stopping you from moving out. Just give 21 days notice and know this will all be over in three weeks. nzkiwisnz - 2020-12-16 07:15:00 |
| 11 | nzkiwisnz wrote:
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So what is stopping you from moving out. Just give 21 days notice and know this will all be over in three weeks. I have a contract until next April. :(
Not sure but I will ask tenancy services if I can get out of the tenancy contract with this. okcashbag - 2020-12-16 07:55:00 |
| 12 | I suggest the first thing thing you need is evidence of contamination. johnston - 2020-12-16 07:57:00 |
| 13 | okcashbag wrote:
I have a contract until next April. :(
Not sure but I will ask tenancy services if I can get out of the tenancy contract with this. Was the property manager a licensed agent? johnston - 2020-12-16 07:58:00 |
| 14 | marte wrote:
A 'Drug house'? What sort of drugs? Use or manufacture? I know it was used to sell drugs and very likely the house was used to make meth. I know the house was renovated but property manager said it returned negative test result, all three years ago.
I would not moved in here if I knew about this. okcashbag - 2020-12-16 07:59:00 |
| 15 | johnston wrote:
Was the property manager a licensed agent?
I don’t think she is registered. okcashbag - 2020-12-16 08:01:00 |
| 16 | msigg wrote:
Yes go and talk to the property manager, so you say used to sell drugs, did you see this with your own eyes, Most meth testing is a have, I don't think this has got to do with any drugs, have you looked into bed bugs, leas etc, you might need someone to come in and spray the house. It's in your head now about the drugs so you will always think this way, best get talking to landlord and find another rental. Yes, I think there could be no direct link between our health and the house. Could be coincident. I am looking for another rent but the contract ends in April... thanks! okcashbag - 2020-12-16 08:04:00 |
| 17 | okcashbag wrote:
I know it was used to sell drugs and very likely the house was used to make meth. I know the house was renovated but property manager said it returned negative test result, all three years ago.
I would not moved in here if I knew about this. i Sell what sort of drugs? Theres ot much chance of drug contamination in a tinny house.
In reality there's not much that even the residue left from the manufacturing of Methylamphetamine would do to anyone either. It's mostly ' meth hysteria' & was a agenda pushed by those in the industry of fixing it, to the point that even the Government admitted it. marte - 2020-12-16 09:11:00 |
| 18 | Does the house have mould, or a damp smell? luteba - 2020-12-16 10:44:00 |
| 19 | Is there a "legal" requirement for the land lord / property manager to advise as to the history of a property.
What leads to OP to believe that the property manager was aware that the property was a "drug store / manufacturer" ?? onl_148 - 2020-12-16 11:56:00 |
| 20 | Meth contamination in homes is an absolute scam/myth. It will not be the cause of your issues. |
| 21 | marte wrote:
i Sell what sort of drugs? Theres ot much chance of drug contamination in a tinny house.
In reality there's not much that even the residue left from the manufacturing of Methylamphetamine would do to anyone either. It's mostly ' meth hysteria' & was a agenda pushed by those in the industry of fixing it, to the point that even the Government admitted it. I am not sure and police won’t tell me neither. And yes, meth could be unrelated at all and it will be very hard to prove it is, even if it is.
Thank you all for the advice. okcashbag - 2020-12-16 12:48:00 |
| 22 | Causational or not if an excessive level of contamination was not disclosed to you then you have rights including seeking compensation. johnston - 2020-12-16 12:55:00 |
| 23 | johnston wrote:
Causational or not if an excessive level of contamination was not disclosed to you then you have rights including seeking compensation.
Thank you for the info. I think this has happened 3 years ago once, not sure this has happened last year again or not.
According to the property manager, the house was renovated and decontaminated 3 years ago. Not sure about the last year, a neighbour told me the last tenant was dealing drugs last year but it’s not likely as they had a baby or the property manager was not aware of it... I think I will ask around a little bit more.
Again, thank you for the advice, I appreciate everyone in this thread. okcashbag - 2020-12-16 15:33:00 |
| 24 | okcashbag wrote:
I just found out the house was used to sell drugs. I cannot prove the direct link but since we moved in here, me and my wife got lumps on our necks
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Sell, not make.
And what drugs specifically?
As far as I know, even meth doesn't cause lumps.
What does this incredibly expensive doctor say? lythande1 - 2020-12-16 19:19:00 |
| 25 | I'm a doctor... of sorts. Not a medical doctor, but in the health sciences. And conveniently, in this instance, in health as it relates to housing, including a solid stint of work on methamphetamine contamination and its potential effects.
And being as I'm on the internet, I'm entirely free.
What sort of lumps on your neck do you mean? Do you mean swollen glands-type lumps (like a lump under the skin roughly where you feel your pulse or thereabouts, or sometimes further back near the ears, or down closer to the collar bone)? Or do you mean a pimple-type lump or rash?
As lythande asks above, what did the $2k of medical checkups tell you?
If you provide more detail, I can tell you more about whether it's likely to be related to (actual) meth contamination.
It would also help if you could let me know the answer to the earlier question (about mould/damp). luteba - 2020-12-16 19:38:00 |
| 26 | Oh, another question: how old is the house (ie can you estimate roughly how long ago it was built)? luteba - 2020-12-16 19:40:00 |
| 27 | If memory serves me correctly, tenants are supposed to able to view the landlords insurance policy. We have a rental and supplied the tenants a copy of the policy. On it they can see that a condition of the policy is that between each tenancy, we have to get the house tested for drug traces. We do and our tenants are also now aware that we will be testing when they move out. Ask to see the insurance policy. rak1 - 2020-12-16 21:20:00 |
| 28 | lythande1 wrote:
Sell, not make.
And what drugs specifically?
As far as I know, even meth doesn't cause lumps.
What does this incredibly expensive doctor say? Not sure about the details, likely both sell and make? Could me meth or weeds? I cannot find this out as police won’t tell me.
The expensive doctor told me I don’t have a cancer. Lol
The lump is a fat cell, which is a great news. okcashbag - 2020-12-17 07:44:00 |
| 29 | okcashbag wrote:
Not sure about the details, likely both sell and make? Could me meth or weeds? I cannot find this out as police won’t tell me.
The expensive doctor told me I don’t have a cancer. Lol
The lump is a fat cell, which is a great news. If it was recognised by the police as a lab, they could have also notified the COuncil and it *should* be noted on the LIM. Worth asking the council if they have any record of it. sparkychap - 2020-12-17 07:51:00 |
| 30 | luteba wrote:
I'm a doctor... of sorts. Not a medical doctor, but in the health sciences. And conveniently, in this instance, in health as it relates to housing, including a solid stint of work on methamphetamine contamination and its potential effects.
And being as I'm on the internet, I'm entirely free.
What sort of lumps on your neck do you mean? Do you mean swollen glands-type lumps (like a lump under the skin roughly where you feel your pulse or thereabouts, or sometimes further back near the ears, or down closer to the collar bone)? Or do you mean a pimple-type lump or rash?
As lythande asks above, what did the $2k of medical checkups tell you?
If you provide more detail, I can tell you more about whether it's likely to be related to (actual) meth contamination.
It would also help if you could let me know the answer to the earlier question (about mould/damp). Lump was just a fat cell (for my case), I had to check with specialist to be sure. I hope my wife’s lump is the same.
It’s around 1 cm, it moves around under the skin, I don’t feel pain when I touch it.
I really thought it was a cancer so had to go to specialist lol. The house is well vented I believe. No damp or mould but I have found a few carpet Beatles, even after two times pest control.
Thank you very much for comments! okcashbag - 2020-12-17 07:53:00 |
| 31 | sparkychap wrote:
If it was recognised by the police as a lab, they could have also notified the COuncil and it *should* be noted on the LIM. Worth asking the council if they have any record of it. Thanks! I don’t mind spending a few hundred to get LIM for peace of my mind. But can I just ask city council? okcashbag - 2020-12-17 07:57:00 |
| 32 | rak1 wrote:
If memory serves me correctly, tenants are supposed to able to view the landlords insurance policy. We have a rental and supplied the tenants a copy of the policy. On it they can see that a condition of the policy is that between each tenancy, we have to get the house tested for drug traces. We do and our tenants are also now aware that we will be testing when they move out. Ask to see the insurance policy. I think my property manager just skipped this part and perhaps she did on purpose. Thank you very much I will do it now. okcashbag - 2020-12-17 07:59:00 |
| 33 | okcashbag wrote:
Thanks! I don’t mind spending a few hundred to get LIM for peace of my mind. But can I just ask city council? I'd ask them first, explain your concerns, they may be able to tell with without the need to spend on the LIM. A negative response may not mean it WASN'T a lab, but might help you confirm if it was. sparkychap - 2020-12-17 08:06:00 |
| 34 | You can actually usually just go down to the council office and ask to have a look at the property file, no need to order a LIM. You used to be able to do that in Christchurch anyway. tygertung - 2020-12-17 08:10:00 |
| 35 | tygertung wrote:
You can actually usually just go down to the council office and ask to have a look at the property file, no need to order a LIM. You used to be able to do that in Christchurch anyway.
That sounds good, i will do that today. Thank you and Sparkychap! Edited by okcashbag at 10:29 am, Thu 17 Dec okcashbag - 2020-12-17 10:27:00 |
| 36 | The LIM is pulled together from multiple sources when needed and not everything is on the property file. I'd still make my request quite specific as Meth Contamination could be held in a seperate database. sparkychap - 2020-12-17 10:38:00 |
| 37 | sparkychap wrote:
The LIM is pulled together from multiple sources when needed and not everything is on the property file. I'd still make my request quite specific as Meth Contamination could be held in a seperate database.
I will do that, thank you!! okcashbag - 2020-12-17 11:03:00 |
| 38 | okcashbag wrote:
Lump was just a fat cell (for my case), I had to check with specialist to be sure. I hope my wife’s lump is the same.
It’s around 1 cm, it moves around under the skin, I don’t feel pain when I touch it.
I really thought it was a cancer so had to go to specialist lol. The house is well vented I believe. No damp or mould but I have found a few carpet Beatles, even after two times pest control.
Thank you very much for comments! Meth contamination does not cause fatty lumps under the skin. It's not known to cause cancer either (and I too hope that's not your wife's issue!).
If it was enlarged nymph nodes, there might be reason to further investigate potential residual off-gassing from meth lab contamination, but since it's not, there's not.
It doesn't sound to me like there's any meth issue with your house. It does sound like you're stressed, and anxious because you weren't given full information before you moved in. The burglary probably didn't help either.
But I'm afraid you're going to have to live with it until the end of your fixed term tenancy. luteba - 2020-12-17 11:18:00 |
| 39 | Even if the LIM and Property File are silent on contamination it does not mean the property is not contaminated. The PM may well have been on notice, meaning that while he or she may not have had actual knowledge of contamination they should of had constructive knowledge. Also, how will you displace a claim that you caused the contamination? johnston - 2020-12-17 11:25:00 |
| 40 | luteba wrote:
Meth contamination does not cause fatty lumps under the skin. It's not known to cause cancer either (and I too hope that's not your wife's issue!).
If it was enlarged nymph nodes, there might be reason to further investigate potential residual off-gassing from meth lab contamination, but since it's not, there's not.
It doesn't sound to me like there's any meth issue with your house. It does sound like you're stressed, and anxious because you weren't given full information before you moved in. The burglary probably didn't help either.
But I'm afraid you're going to have to live with it until the end of your fixed term tenancy.
Thank you for your input. I think you are right as well.
Even if there was any causality between the meth contamination, it well be impossible for me to prove it anyways. (and probably no)
I am worried if there was another meth case on this house in the last year, im waiting for the previous test result for the peace of my mind. :) okcashbag - 2020-12-17 12:17:00 |
| 41 | johnston wrote:
Even if the LIM and Property File are silent on contamination it does not mean the property is not contaminated. The PM may well have been on notice, meaning that while he or she may not have had actual knowledge of contamination they should of had constructive knowledge. Also, how will you displace a claim that you caused the contamination? Again thank you for the information!
Very true! I don't think the house was tested since the last tenant. okcashbag - 2020-12-17 12:21:00 |
| 42 | okcashbag wrote:
Again thank you for the information!
Very true! I don't think the house was tested since the last tenant. Although I wouldn't get too wrapped up on that point - if the house wasn't tested prior to you, but tested positive after you leave, the PM would have little success in proving you were the cause. sparkychap - 2020-12-17 12:57:00 |
| 43 | sparkychap wrote:
Although I wouldn't get too wrapped up on that point - if the house wasn't tested prior to you, but tested positive after you leave, the PM would have little success in proving you were the cause. That part is true, however conversely, if the op was to bring a claim the onus is on the op to establish their claim which would be difficult without evidence of prior contamination. johnston - 2020-12-17 13:31:00 |
| 44 | johnston wrote:
That part is true, however conversely, if the op was to bring a claim the onus is on the op to establish their claim which would be difficult without evidence of prior contamination. Yep, take your point there. But if the OP was really Walter White, would he be lodging a claim drawing attention to the fact? sparkychap - 2020-12-17 14:00:00 |
| 45 | sparkychap wrote:
Yep, take your point there. But if the OP was really Walter White, would he be lodging a claim drawing attention to the fact? You and I wouldn't but that is hardly persuasive. He wouldn't be the first applicant to dig a deeper hole for themselves if you know what I mean. Blaming the op is an easy defence regardless of any merit. johnston - 2020-12-17 15:09:00 |
| 46 | I’m not sure about this but in general is a conviction in the public domain? Do you know Johnston I understand the police not wanting to breach a person’s privacy by disclosing information but if someone has been charged and convicted, surely that information is available?? Okcashbag I absolutely understand your concerns. When you have a baby you do your best to protect them and insure they have all their needs met. Well done giving up smoking too. That makes a huge difference to your health and the health of your loved ones. If you’ve all had frequent coughs and respiratory issues then luteba’s questions are important. Is your home damp and cold? The reason that successive governments have pushed so hard for standards and legislation regarding healthy homes, including insulation, extractors, ventilation, damp proofing and fixed heating is because of the issues for families with sick children, particularly respiratory illness and hospitalisation There is also research looking at the impact of Vitamin D levels in babies/children and respiratory illness. I shared an office at Auckland University with a Professor who has that as one of his research interests princess52 - 2020-12-18 13:46:00 |
| 47 | johnston wrote:
I suggest the first thing thing you need is evidence of contamination. yes spead - 2020-12-21 21:26:00 |
| 48 | luteba wrote:
I'm a doctor... of sorts. Not a medical doctor, but in the health sciences. And conveniently, in this instance, in health as it relates to housing, including a solid stint of work on methamphetamine contamination and its potential effects.
And being as I'm on the internet, I'm entirely free.
What sort of lumps on your neck do you mean? Do you mean swollen glands-type lumps (like a lump under the skin roughly where you feel your pulse or thereabouts, or sometimes further back near the ears, or down closer to the collar bone)? Or do you mean a pimple-type lump or rash?
As lythande asks above, what did the $2k of medical checkups tell you?
If you provide more detail, I can tell you more about whether it's likely to be related to (actual) meth contamination.
It would also help if you could let me know the answer to the earlier question (about mould/damp). It’s lovely to see you offering your expertise and helping the family here...
Thank you, ???????? |
| 49 | princess52 wrote:
I’m not sure about this but in general is a conviction in the public domain? Do you know Johnston I understand the police not wanting to breach a person’s privacy by disclosing information but if someone has been charged and convicted, surely that information is available?? Okcashbag I absolutely understand your concerns. When you have a baby you do your best to protect them and insure they have all their needs met. Well done giving up smoking too. That makes a huge difference to your health and the health of your loved ones. If you’ve all had frequent coughs and respiratory issues then luteba’s questions are important. Is your home damp and cold? The reason that successive governments have pushed so hard for standards and legislation regarding healthy homes, including insulation, extractors, ventilation, damp proofing and fixed heating is because of the issues for families with sick children, particularly respiratory illness and hospitalisation There is also research looking at the impact of Vitamin D levels in babies/children and respiratory illness. I shared an office at Auckland University with a Professor who has that as one of his research interests Yes princess52. johnston - 2020-12-22 08:11:00 |
