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hi , is a structural engineer required ?

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Hi there , I'd like to strengthen some of the trusses in our 26 year old home , mainly the straight row of about 6.. at times the top join / peak, creak and crack in high wind or temperature change , there is a touch of movement in them , house isnt going anywhere , its more for noise reduction, do I need to get a structural engineer to do a refit plan for a builder friend of mine ,to follow ,he said its a very simple adjustment , which is fine but I don't want any issues if I ever sell the house ... as well as the engineer question your thoughts on how you would approach the strengthening might be handy to.Ive upgraded the original loose fill insulation to a quality one so im sure thats going to help also, just finished that.

daz1968 - 2020-11-10 18:10:00
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Normal web trusses can be strengthened with ply attached to the sides.
On one side or double the strength by doing both sides.

Will cut the creaking to nothing.

smallwoods - 2020-11-10 23:19:00
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smallwoods wrote:

Normal web trusses can be strengthened with ply attached to the sides.
On one side or double the strength by doing both sides.

Will cut the creaking to nothing.

thanks for your opinion / advice , I guess cut to size about 400- 500, funny the builder at council suggested this today , as can remove if screwed if necessary in the future, I thought run 4x2 wide side flat on a row of trusses say maybe 200 down from the peak to tie them all together ? thought might be less work and stronger again , but I do like your idea also :)

daz1968 - 2020-11-11 10:36:00
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No, ply by far the easiest and strongest.

smallwoods - 2020-11-11 12:01:00
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smallwoods wrote:

No, ply by far the easiest and strongest.

well after a chat with builder at council today and a structural engineer they both suggested what you said :) so thanks for the initial idea, the engineer called it a plywood gusset and sent pics , still dont get how it stops slight movement the other direction , but my knowledge is in another area.. so will get a friend whos a builder to cut to size and install while doing some other stuff, thanks very much for your help I find this site great for opinions and advice,

daz1968 - 2020-11-11 19:00:00
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what thickness of ply would you suggest? and any special grade.

kenw1 - 2020-11-12 19:19:00
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kenw1 - 2020-11-12 19:19:00
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kenw1 wrote:

what thickness of ply would you suggest? and any special grade.

hi I was advised any structural plywood from 12mm to 17mm , not sure
what you mean by grade ,

daz1968 - 2020-11-12 19:27:00
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Structural ply 12mm 5 ply, not the "builders" grade or anything else. Nail through the gusset and clench the nails on the other side. Nails are better than screws here as they are more able to cope with movement, screws can be quite brittle.

fastspec - 2020-11-12 20:16:00
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fastspec wrote:

Structural ply 12mm 5 ply, not the "builders" grade or anything else. Nail through the gusset and clench the nails on the other side. Nails are better than screws here as they are more able to cope with movement, screws can be quite brittle.


thanks that makes good sense

daz1968 - 2020-11-13 13:04:00
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plywood gussets all the way ,but...you say "there is a bit of movement in them" ...is the movement lateral or up and down ?

bergkamp - 2020-11-14 21:51:00
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fastspec wrote:

Structural ply 12mm 5 ply, not the "builders" grade or anything else. Nail through the gusset and clench the nails on the other side. Nails are better than screws here as they are more able to cope with movement, screws can be quite brittle.

as I understand it structural ply has a better glue , more waterproof - i think this is the only difference

bergkamp - 2020-11-14 21:54:00
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bergkamp wrote:

as I understand it structural ply has a better glue , more waterproof - i think this is the only difference

And the layers of ply making it up are normally better with less voids . Quite a lot of differences in Structural ply compared to say bracing ply .

Edited by martin11 at 8:02 am, Sun 15 Nov

martin11 - 2020-11-15 08:02:00
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martin11 wrote:

And the layers of ply making it up are normally better with less voids . Quite a lot of differences in Structural ply compared to say bracing ply .

Bracing ply isn"t structural ?

bergkamp - 2020-11-15 09:40:00
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bergkamp wrote:

Bracing ply isn"t structural ?

Well it does depend on "what" you are bracing!
Any bracing is structural, just depends on the loading, how structural.

smallwoods - 2020-11-15 12:52:00
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smallwoods wrote:

Well it does depend on "what" you are bracing!
Any bracing is structural, just depends on the loading, how structural.

. Exactly ..all bracing is structural ....which goes against previous post

bergkamp - 2020-11-15 15:20:00
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bergkamp wrote:

. Exactly ..all bracing is structural ....which goes against previous post

Yes and following this logic, any ply can be used for bracing.
Just when the roof caves in, you know you exceeded the structural integrity of the bracing.

smallwoods - 2020-11-15 20:45:00
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Structural ply as in plywood made to NZS 2269 and marked as such, not the cheap "builders ply" or "downgrade"
Bracing in a house is supposed to be structural ply to NZS 2269 BTW

Edited by fastspec at 8:36 pm, Mon 23 Nov

fastspec - 2020-11-23 20:35:00
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