I have tried to get through to Tenancy Services but continually get a message, too busy, phone back later. Grr. What happens when a stove has a window directly behind and a type of roof that makes venting through it not possible. Can I get an exemption?

vomo2 - 2020-11-08 18:39:00

There is info on the Tenancy Services website about exemptions so check if you meet the exemption criteria. If so document that in detail. They recommend a professional opinion but it is not mandatory.

https://www.tenancy.govt.nz/healthy-homes/ventilation-standa
rd/

artemis - 2020-11-08 18:59:00

Just put an extractor IN the window.
Problem solved.

smallwoods - 2020-11-08 22:13:00

We have the same dilemma, a fan still needs to be fitted through the wall or through the ceiling

catwoman1974 - 2020-11-09 00:28:00

Something like this is acceptable https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/manrose-through-wall-fan-kit-
150mm-white/p/177264

catwoman1974 - 2020-11-09 00:42:00

catwoman1974 wrote:

Something like this is acceptable https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/manrose-through-wall-fan-kit-
150mm-white/p/177264

We had one of these in the 1950s kitchen in our house when we moved in, before we renovated. It actually worked really well. If it wasn't for the aesthetic issue, I'd have one again.

luteba - 2020-11-09 12:44:00

artemis, good web site, has all the information. Good on ya.

msigg - 2020-11-09 13:46:00

smallwoods wrote:

Just put an extractor IN the window.
Problem solved.

if there is a window nearby, doesn't it extract the fumes anyway?

evoalg - 2020-11-10 20:48:00

evoalg wrote:

if there is a window nearby, doesn't it extract the fumes anyway?

It's not good enough to just open the window, just like opening a window and having a Showerdome isn't good enough in the bathroom. Only having an extractor fan in both areas is

catwoman1974 - 2020-11-11 02:41:00

No because if it is freezing cold, one might not want to open the windows.

tygertung - 2020-11-11 06:15:00

I work for a property management co. and we have rung them numerous times for this problem and cannot get an answer. The law states " as far as practicable" but no one can tell us what this means.So if you don't install a rangehood, can your tenant take you to the tribunal for all their rent paid for your failure to install a rangehood. Every time you contact the tenancy website and ask a question, you need to document it, with the name of who you talked to or keep copies of all emails and replies as evidence.

blueviking - 2020-11-12 20:05:00

blueviking wrote:

I work for a property management co. and we have rung them numerous times for this problem and cannot get an answer. The law states " as far as practicable" but no one can tell us what this means.So if you don't install a rangehood, can your tenant take you to the tribunal for all their rent paid for your failure to install a rangehood. Every time you contact the tenancy website and ask a question, you need to document it, with the name of who you talked to or keep copies of all emails and replies as evidence.

I think this quite easy to understand : https://www.tenancy.govt.nz/healthy-homes/ventilation-standa
rd/ Kitchens – In any room with a cooktop, new fans or rangehoods installed after 1 July 2019 must have a minimum diameter (including ducting) of 150mm or an exhaust capacity of at least 50 litres per second.

catwoman1974 - 2020-11-12 21:19:00

blueviking wrote:

I work for a property management co. and we have rung them numerous times for this problem and cannot get an answer. The law states " as far as practicable" but no one can tell us what this means.So if you don't install a rangehood, can your tenant take you to the tribunal for all their rent paid for your failure to install a rangehood. Every time you contact the tenancy website and ask a question, you need to document it, with the name of who you talked to or keep copies of all emails and replies as evidence.

Go to FYI.org.nz and make an Official Information request to HUD and at the same time the Minister of Housing (Ms Wood). The request and response will be public and can be linked to for posterity, and for sure there will be plenty of people interested. Come back and tell us the result. That request will take a while for a response, so a direct response the the Minister (as well) might be faster.

Suggest ask specifically what categories of professionals would be acceptable for advice.

My prediction is that the response will be along the lines of - follow the regulations and if in doubt get professional advice with final determination by the Tenancy Tribunal. So no help then. But at least there will be something in writing.

artemis - 2020-11-13 06:43:00

catwoman1974 wrote:

I think this quite easy to understand : https://www.tenancy.govt.nz/healthy-homes/ventilation-standa
rd/ ..... .

It is not.

artemis - 2020-11-13 06:44:00

blueviking wrote:

I work for a property management co. and we have rung them numerous times for this problem and cannot get an answer. The law states " as far as practicable" but no one can tell us what this means.So if you don't install a rangehood, can your tenant take you to the tribunal for all their rent paid for your failure to install a rangehood. Every time you contact the tenancy website and ask a question, you need to document it, with the name of who you talked to or keep copies of all emails and replies as evidence.

As a builder that does this sort of work I have yet to find an installation that is impossible in a house .

martin11 - 2020-11-13 07:26:00

catwoman1974 wrote:

Something like this is acceptable https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/manrose-through-wall-fan-kit-
150mm-white/p/177264

i would not use that in place of a range hood.
grease build up on the fan is asking for problems.
range hoods have filters for a reason.

tweake - 2020-11-13 18:26:00

martin11, 2 story dwelling with block outside, how far is "practicable", Scaffolding, drilling through block and waterproofing and engaging an lbp because your drilling through an outside wall.

blueviking - 2020-11-22 21:12:00

blueviking wrote:

martin11, 2 story dwelling with block outside, how far is "practicable", Scaffolding, drilling through block and waterproofing and engaging an lbp because your drilling through an outside wall.

Still capable of being done . Can you get a cherry picker into the area ? You do not need a LBP to install one . What about going up through the roof ?

martin11 - 2020-11-23 08:04:00

martin11 wrote:

Still capable of being done . Can you get a cherry picker into the area ? You do not need a LBP to install one . What about going up through the roof ?

Which is what we will be doing with one of our rentals.
Stove is beside a doorway, backed by a short wall with an entrance wall behind that, and then a bay window on the other side of the stove.
Only way out is up.
Can't turn it to go out the soffit, so keep going up.

smallwoods - 2020-11-23 08:21:00

Put an extractor fan in the window, you don't have to put in a range hood

rainrain1 - 2020-11-24 17:37:00

rainrain1 wrote:

Put an extractor fan in the window, you don't have to put in a range hood

been mentioned before.

smallwoods - 2020-11-24 22:28:00

https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/non-branded-window-fan-100mm/
p/172252 looking at this due to hardy plant cladding.

cave-man22 - 2020-11-29 19:35:00

tweake wrote:

i would not use that in place of a range hood.
grease build up on the fan is asking for problems.
range hoods have filters for a reason.

There is a window that opens behind the stove, what else do you suggest can be done, maybe I should hire a sky hook to hold the unit up?

Edited by catwoman1974 at 1:34 am, Mon 30 Nov

catwoman1974 - 2020-11-30 01:29:00

Just screw a board across the window frame to support the range hood. Make a nice job of it.

Get a glazier to cut a round hole in the window for the vent pipe to go out. Run flexible ducting from the range hood to the window.

If you make a nice job of it, it should be tidy.

tygertung - 2020-11-30 06:20:00

catwoman1974 wrote:

There is a window that opens behind the stove, what else do you suggest can be done, maybe I should hire a sky hook to hold the unit up?

you can get down flow range hoods that fit around a hob.
also could consider getting rid of the window or covering it up.

is the stove placement original or did someone reno the kitchen at some point. i can't recall ever working on a house that had a window behind a stove.

fans on their own get grotty and possible fire risk. they need filters.

tweake - 2020-11-30 19:24:00

Here is a pic of the window https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/1445314425.jpg.

Everything is original and built in 2001, extractor was not required as the parents opened the window when the stove was being used. Outside cladding is tin and replacing window etc. would be costly.

catwoman1974 - 2020-12-03 00:39:00

Just found this http://manrose.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/PUB1606-2009
-FAN7201-Cucina-Kitchen-Fan-Brochure-WEB.pdf

catwoman1974 - 2020-12-03 00:47:00

No good cat. Law states 150mm minimum. Also by July 2021 all tenants must be given a 7 page info on all Healthy Homes requirements for their particular rental. It's up to the landlord now to supply and not the tenants to find out. You must quote the exact ACT and sub clauses for every exemption.

blueviking - 2020-12-04 07:31:00

blueviking wrote:

No good cat. Law states 150mm minimum. Also by July 2021 all tenants must be given a 7 page info on all Healthy Homes requirements for their particular rental. It's up to the landlord now to supply and not the tenants to find out. You must quote the exact ACT and sub clauses for every exemption.

Hmm, you seem to have selective reading.

QUOTE: Kitchens

In any room with a cooktop, new fans or rangehoods installed after 1 July 2019 must have a minimum diameter (including ducting) of 150mm or an exhaust capacity of at least 50 litres per second.

Note the word OR in the above.

catwoman1974 - 2020-12-04 15:48:00