We are commencing a new build in a different location. We will also change ISPs.
Do you need to sign up with the new ISP to get the fibre to the house during the build or can it wait until we move in? If we wait what is the lead time for Chorus to get the fibre to the house (Paraparaumu).
The Chorus whisker is across a driveway serving a back section, will this prolong the install?
Forgive the dumb questions but I don't want to be without internet for any longer than necessary.

hazelthecat - 2020-11-03 11:30:00

You need to ask the provider and, or, chorus.

nice_lady - 2020-11-03 11:49:00

Yes, you are right nice_lady. My question is too broad. I will quiz some ISPs about their connection times. I guess wireless is also an option, that way I won't lose connection.

hazelthecat - 2020-11-03 14:20:00

better to do it now...and avoid wait times.

lythande1 - 2020-11-03 14:41:00

Being a new build you should get the fibre conduit laid at the same time as other services; ie; if there's a concrete driveway or ditch for electrical, gas or water then you don't want to be cutting or digging later just for the fibre.

And being a new build you can specify the fibre ONT exactly where you want it, perhaps a services cupboard. And then, you can specify wired CAT6 to be installed on the 1st fix when electrical wires are laid before the gib goes on (for example behind every position you intend a TV to be placed)

So my point is, it doesn't all have to happen at once as an afterthought, rather you can plan pieces to occur over time and get a very good result.

gyrogearloose - 2020-11-05 08:24:00

How about wireless broadband? The house has good 4g coverage. I don't stream and only use about 40Gb a month.
Any downsides?

hazelthecat - 2020-11-05 11:26:00

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hazelthecat - 2020-11-05 11:26:00

Data cabling the house adds value to the house and will help you sell it. cat6 runs can do 10 Gbit over 55 metres, cat6a can do 10 Gbit over 100 metres.

Future 802.11 wifi standards will shift to higher frequencies (60 GHz), they don't go through gib board so will need an access point in each room (ceiling mounted). This requires cable to be run while house is built. Not installing structured cabling will make most thinking people not buy such a house.

As for 4G, its great for a back up connection and for mobile device use but will never beat any fibre provided service. Future fibre services will run at 2, 4 and 8 Gbps symetrical. Maybe even 100 Gbps by 2050.

spyware - 2020-11-05 14:58:00

Hi Hazel,

Recommendations: Contact your ISP now so they can get the fibre installers on to it. They'll likely scope out what's required first (site visit) and actual installation could take a month or two. Your ISP will not (in nearly all cases) be the same person that does the actual install. As it's a new build get on to it ASAP, especially if they're going to need to lay conduit.
Installs are subsidised up to a certain distance from the road, but your ISP will tell you what the costs are if it exceeds the normal install fee (which will probably get waived on a term contract). It'll probably take at least 2 weeks for a site visit, and another 2-6 weeks for install.

As for 4G, if you're only using 40GB per month, then it'll be perfectly acceptable as an alternative to fibre. Fibre is faster and more reliable, but with the small amount of data you're using, you probably won't notice a difference.

Some of the comments regarding structured cabling are true, but it really is like looking into a crystal ball. With Wi-Fi meshes and other technologies in play one really wonders whether it's necessary in the majority of houses. I don't believe it'll have a massive impact on house values one way or the other.

joys_teddy - 2020-11-12 16:04:00

joys_teddy wrote:

Some of the comments regarding structured cabling are true, but it really is like looking into a crystal ball. With Wi-Fi meshes and other technologies in play one really wonders whether it's necessary in the majority of houses. I don't believe it'll have a massive impact on house values one way or the other.

Totally agree with this. If buying a house cabling wouldn't even come into consideration for many people. They just wouldn't think of it. And I doubt it would have any impact at all for many house values. Wifi Mesh systems will be very acceptable for most users especially as the Tech gets better and better.

nice_lady - 2020-11-12 16:16:00

Wifi will always be the bottleneck, if its mesh then an even better bottleneck. The only way that wifi has gotten better is that the odd person has realised that best solutions involve access points that are connected by cable runs. Mesh solutions are really just gimmicks to get sales to people with no clues about the laws of physics.

And as I said once 60 GHz technology arrives you'll realise it has a specific inherent limitation in that signal penetration loss is very high so you can't cover even a standard house without many access points using such technology. The advantage though is the high throughput, Gbps and more. Unfortunately you can't have both.

Edited by spyware at 4:45 pm, Thu 12 Nov

spyware - 2020-11-12 16:41:00

Meh. I have more faith in the ability of humans to develop more/better/faster/more powerful tech as time goes on. Wires ? Thing of the past sooner rather than later.

nice_lady - 2020-11-12 17:01:00

I've had to pull several mesh networks out because they were rubbish or failed. Cables will always be more reliable imho. Personally I would rather stick in an Ethernet over Power Homeplug than a mesh

king1 - 2020-11-12 17:16:00

Thank you for all the above.
I agree fibre is the way to go. As soon as the slab is down I will get the cable laid.
The next hard question is which ISP? I am presently with Vodafone for cable (not fibre) and landline. Any recommendations for ISPs in the Kapiti that provide internet and landline. I don't have or need a cell phone.

hazelthecat - 2020-11-13 09:03:00

king1 wrote:

Personally I would rather stick in an Ethernet over Power Homeplug than a mesh

Agree

nice_lady - 2020-11-13 09:46:00

nice_lady wrote:

Meh. I have more faith in the ability of humans to develop more/better/faster/more powerful tech as time goes on. Wires ? Thing of the past sooner rather than later.

Laws of physics don't change. All the digital modulation techniques used on wifi operate near the theoretical limits. The only other way to increase throughput is increase bandwidth, crowded spectrum so have to go higher frequency, mmWave etc. which some people think is a health hazard.

spyware - 2020-11-13 11:27:00

hazelthecat wrote:

Thank you for all the above.
I agree fibre is the way to go. As soon as the slab is down I will get the cable laid.
The next hard question is which ISP? I am presently with Vodafone for cable (not fibre) and landline. Any recommendations for ISPs in the Kapiti that provide internet and landline. I don't have or need a cell phone.

2 degrees.

exwesty - 2020-11-13 12:22:00

hazelthecat wrote:

As soon as the slab is down I will get the cable laid.

You're ignoring what I wrote earlier.

Plan where your fibre ONT will be located, and then install conduit from the Chorus streetside point to emerge at the ONT location. Then the concrete slab is poured, and there will be several conduits and pipes inside the slab including the fibre.

If you lay the concrete slab without conduit for the fibre, you're already conceding it's an unplanned variation.

gyrogearloose - 2020-11-13 13:40:00

spyware wrote:

Laws of physics don't change.

Yep they do. Laws are neither fixed nor immutable. They're really just theories.

nice_lady - 2020-11-13 14:07:00

Gyro
Who determines where the ETP goes? I thought the ONT sits on the wall opposite the ETP.

hazelthecat - 2020-11-13 18:24:00

hazelthecat wrote:

Gyro
Who determines where the ETP goes? I thought the ONT sits on the wall opposite the ETP.

Not even. Our ONT is at the other end of the house to the ETP.

nice_lady - 2020-11-13 18:29:00

hazelthecat wrote:

Gyro
Who determines where the ETP goes? I thought the ONT sits on the wall opposite the ETP.

The customer does, but if a free install the LFC aren't going to make an effort to run conduit or duct in order to provide a route for the fibre. Customer with a clue would do the required internal work, run conduit with draw wire, or LSZH duct, whatever is required and then instruct LFC.

Edited by spyware at 6:53 pm, Fri 13 Nov

spyware - 2020-11-13 18:47:00

As Gyro advised, get the fibre conduit laid NOW. DON'T WAIT!
Get a dedicated power socket installed where YOU WANT the ONT.

Suggest get an experienced installer to go over your house plans to advise where to run cables in the walls for tv's etc.

The cheapest time to do all this is before the gib is installed.

sparkyz - 2020-11-14 12:13:00

Chorus are currently door knocking in Paraparaumu, installing fibre free from street to your house. We had ours done, along with most neighbours as well. The catch is now we have to pay someone to run connection from fibre outlet box at house (in our case - in the garage) to the modem in the lounge. At this stage as the speed for all devices is not too bad (we are on Vodafone cable) so we are just leaving it for now.

cheyenne2 - 2020-11-16 17:13:00