Shortage of Housing and KiwiBuild
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| 1 | "100,000 houses in ten years" aklreels - 2020-10-21 10:20:00 |
| 2 | Actually it would be interesting to know how many houses have been built in the last 3 years because it has to be a few. They seem to be going up all over the place. Generally, I expect nothing to do with kiwibuild but others (as has always happened). The kiwibuild homes would be way less than " counted" anyway due to the fact they counted so many already planned builds... bryalea - 2020-10-21 13:09:00 |
| 3 | This message was deleted. kittycatkin - 2020-10-21 13:15:00 |
| 4 | Several developments in Hobsonville have been pulled out of the scheme and sold in the normal way. jeffqv - 2020-10-21 13:55:00 |
| 5 | aklreels wrote: sweetgurl108 - 2020-10-21 16:57:00 |
| 6 | sweetgurl108 wrote: also not enough land has been made available for residential housing and the stuff that has, has restricted covenants specifically detailing size and appearance of dwelling. If we really want to increase supply we need to go back to the ‘Keith hay’ subdivision type of thing (only make the houses warm and have better cladding......like WOOD that stuff we grow in this country.... Release land, move on rectangle standard house, driveways and garages can be added later.....pretty blimmen simple Edited by lakeview3 at 5:36 pm, Wed 21 Oct lakeview3 - 2020-10-21 17:35:00 |
| 7 | sweetgurl108 wrote:
And people didn't want to buy some of them. Wrong location, wrong design, wrong price, probably too many rules. Despite the government taking much expert advice on all of these. Ok maybe the government didn't need help with the rules. artemis - 2020-10-21 18:07:00 |
| 8 | When this covid thing is over next year, there'll be a mass exodus from NZ, and suddenly the housing shortage will turn into a massive surplus... m16d - 2020-10-21 20:38:00 |
| 9 | m16d wrote: if that happens, I hope the government systematically changes the superannuation policy so that people must have worked in New Zealand for 25 years at least before they get a pension. None of this absconding for 40 years and coming back to bludge off everyone else. That will give some food for thought...oh and they better pay their student loans off before they leave otherwise they can’t come back home either. Good the govt will have the power to make decisions like this now at least. Edited by lakeview3 at 9:11 pm, Wed 21 Oct lakeview3 - 2020-10-21 21:11:00 |
| 10 | This message was deleted. andrew697 - 2020-10-22 07:51:00 |
| 11 | lakeview3 wrote:
Maybe in small towns but in cities that just won't work any more. To do the kind of house where you can build a Keith Hay type of home and then add a garage and driveway later, you need a big section by modern standards. That can work on a 600sqm section but not on a 250sqm one The land value alone on a section big enough to make that work would exceed the Kiwibuild price ceiling in most of our big cities. Edited by esprit at 8:04 am, Thu 22 Oct esprit - 2020-10-22 08:04:00 |
| 12 | lakeview3 wrote:
That is a wonderful idea, all for it... but as long as they do not do it on the land next to my house or even in the same suburb as me !! onl_148 - 2020-10-22 14:25:00 |
| 13 | I don't know, friend sold his in jan, now this: lythande1 - 2020-10-22 15:02:00 |
| 14 | J Ardern "Obviously we want to ensure our first home buyers can get into the market that is something that is top of mind for us ..." "A house is the most significant asset that most families will have and of course they want to ensure that asset maintains its value. But at the same time will have to make sure people can access the housing market." She said products like the Welcome Home Scheme were allowing people who were paying rent equivalent to servicing a mortgage, the ability to access the market. "I want to look again at whether or not there is more we can do to overcome that big significant hurdle of that first deposit." Do leaders have a free hand to act, like can they rob Paul so that Peter can buy a house..................... aklreels - 2020-11-14 06:39:00 |
| 15 | I liked it when PM said how Labour had built more houses than any previous govt. smallwoods - 2020-11-14 14:44:00 |
| 16 | m16d wrote:
Over next year? LMAO catwoman1974 - 2020-11-14 15:01:00 |
| 17 | catwoman1974 wrote: Personally I don't think that there will be a 'mass exodus'. Some returnees will of made commitments that they really don't want to break, and others will of 'settled in' and not be ready to up-root 'again'. Also I am sure that international airlines and in many countries the 'tourisim infrastructure' won't be switched on overnight, and the initial travellers will be paying premium prices due to reduced supply. Probably a lot of countries will review their work visa protocol in order to ensure job availability for their own citizens. With the way NZ's housing prices have escalated, there will be a lot of folk who can't afford that overseas holiday for quite a few years unless they sell up - and then they won't be able to find a place to rent. brouser3 - 2020-11-14 15:22:00 |
| 18 | "Reports that a flood of returning New Zealanders would help to prop up the economy appear to be overstated, so far. The latest figures from Statistics NZ show just 1861 NZ citizens returned long-term in September, which was less than half the 3793 that returned in September last year." artemis - 2020-11-14 15:28:00 |
| 19 | m16d wrote:
This, although longer than a year but not returning kiwis heading off again but overseas folks heading back home. Lots of people have realised how very far away from older relatives they are, how much they miss ‘home’ when they can’t travel back there for 2 months every year, maybe they think better opportunities are coming for them elsewhere, they are fed up of living away from their long term partner and there is no prospect of them joint in them here any time soon. That kind of stuff Edited by magicroundbout at 11:14 pm, Sat 14 Nov magicroundbout - 2020-11-14 23:13:00 |
| 20 | I took a look at National's website. "National has a comprehensive package of measures underway to address the challenge of housing supply and affordability. Our package includes: Creating special housing areas in high demand areas across New Zealand to fast-track the building of homes. Has National's approach brought the desired outcome? aklreels - 2020-11-15 12:39:00 |
| 21 | "Reforming the Resource Management Act to make it easier for councils and developers to get houses consented and built" onl_148 - 2020-11-16 14:45:00 |
| 22 | aklreels wrote: National to introduce a CGT - you heard it here first. sparkychap - 2020-11-16 14:51:00 |
| 23 | smallwoods wrote:
I think that was only state houses. loose.unit8 - 2020-11-16 15:00:00 |
| 24 | aklreels wrote:
If you look at the last two decades of house price rises, National has done far better at keeping them low than Labour - even if you remove the steep rises under this government since covid hit. If only Labour had supported National's desire to reform the RMA not last term but the term before and also kept up National's pressure on local councils to increase density and free up land they would have achieved so much more than their never-going-to-work kiwibuild money hole. Edited by loose.unit8 at 3:09 pm, Mon 16 Nov loose.unit8 - 2020-11-16 15:05:00 |
| 25 | artemis wrote:
Interesting. So we can cross off foreign buyers and returning kiwis from the list of things to blame house price increases on. loose.unit8 - 2020-11-16 15:06:00 |
| 26 | I would subdivide land to supply and i am a place with an extreme housing shortage but government rules and taxes make it both impossible and financially nonviable. It is as simple as that all over the country. Houses would be getting built here now if it was not for that. 3tomany - 2020-11-16 15:50:00 |
| 27 | From googling The Green Party will: Build more solar powered and energy efficient state houses every year, enabling people to share clean electricity with their neighbours. Develop public housing in ways that ensure no net loss of publicly owned land. Expand progressive homeownership programmes like rent-to-own and shared equity, as well as non-profit community rental initiatives, in partnership with iwi, hapÅ« and community housing providers. Ensure our laws are fit for purpose for a thriving housing sector, by introducing professional standards for property managers and student accommodation. Ensure regulatory frameworks support the development of innovative co-housing initiatives. Facilitate finance for development of papakÄinga on MÄori land, and ensure relevant central and local government planning documents enable papakÄinga development. Provide high quality emergency and transitional housing to help end homelessness, with a clear pathway into an affordable long-term home. Can anyone tell on whether any of the above has been done, have not heard anything. aklreels - 2020-11-17 11:55:00 |
| 28 | "I want to look again at whether or not there is more we can do to overcome that big significant hurdle of that first deposit." Kiwisaver allowed some to come up with the first deposit, a success, in my eyes. aklreels - 2020-11-17 11:59:00 |
| 29 | 3tomany wrote: I'm the opposite, I would hate to subdivide our property. We have about 1100 sq m and wouldn't want any smaller. annie17111 - 2020-11-17 12:29:00 |
| 30 | Interesting discussion, I don't think any of them are facing the real issues. Just thinking out loud isn't the issue really a shortage of affordable housing? To fix this we need to either raise incomes (not going to happen in the broad way needed) or lower prices and no one wants to be in power when there is a house price crash because we all think we are wealthy because our house has tripled in value in the last fortnight! If we want to make prices affordable how about restricting lending? Go back to borrowing being pegged to three times 1 income plus 1 of the other, don't allow gifted deposits, don't allow people to count rental income as income, don't allow people to use the equity in 1 home to buy another. Isn't this how is used to be? Clearly these changes need to come about slowly or else prices will collapse overnight but how about bringing in 1 of them no more equity to buy a rental, neatly takes investors out and encourages FHB, if that doesn't work move on to another step. All it needs is for the banks and gov to work together, I'm sure they can manage that. All the other stuff is feel good fluff designed to keep the voters sweet, steps like shared equity are not the answer but politicians love them, they can be seen to be doing something, opportunity for nice photo ops with a lovely young couple with or without kids yet all designed to pump more easy money in and inflate prices. As for Jacinda yesterday, I own a house I have a kid, I'd be delighted if prices dropped by over 50% (in a controlled fashion of course) prices shouldn't always only go up they need to cycle. There's other stuff they could do of course take rates away from RV would be an easy help. HNZ could make some changes too, I'm thinking it needs to change some of its offerings away from 3 beds on large sections into smaller units, some sheltered/supported. Flats and townhouses. I hate to say it but maybe it needs to sell some stand alone houses in nicer suburbs to raise some serious money to do so? magicroundbout - 2020-11-17 13:11:00 |
| 31 | Every government we've had has been obsessed with supply. The solution is not just looking at increasing supply. The solution is demand. There is not enough land in NZ to sell to American and Chinese property buyers. mone - 2020-11-17 14:05:00 |
| 32 | Is the govt gonna allow people on higher salaries to access, first home buyers scheme hahah. Mind as well increase the home purchase threshold to $1M ...... rayonline_tm - 2020-11-17 14:53:00 |
| 33 | loose.unit8 wrote:
Not convinced there are not more. The stay in quarantine hotels is to be paid for if not staying long term. Not a lot of people paying. May just be saying it to avoid payment. cleanbreak - 2020-11-17 14:54:00 |
| 34 | mone wrote:
But but but Labour banned foreign buyers last term! Fat lot of good it did loose.unit8 - 2020-11-17 15:09:00 |
| 35 | annie17111 wrote:
No one is forcing you to. But you're certainly not being part of the solution loose.unit8 - 2020-11-17 15:10:00 |
| 36 | aklreels wrote:
The Green party have zero power/leverage in government. Even less than they usually do. I wouldn't be surprised if nothing on the list was being done. Case in point. Impotent "anger" Edited by loose.unit8 at 3:12 pm, Tue 17 Nov loose.unit8 - 2020-11-17 15:11:00 |
| 37 | There was an interesting article on stuff recently talking about how much the greens had lost by doing another deal with labour magicroundbout - 2020-11-17 15:21:00 |
| 38 | Think it was this one magicroundbout - 2020-11-17 15:25:00 |
| 39 | I think they were silly to enter into a deal. Essentially they still have zero power and have given Labour a punching bag to blame anything unpopular on. loose.unit8 - 2020-11-17 15:29:00 |
| 40 | loose.unit8 wrote:
That's one of the points they make :) magicroundbout - 2020-11-17 15:31:00 |
| 41 | There are two sides to price control. Supply and demand. Tunnel vision policies. So far, successive governments only look at supply side. Their idea has always been build build build, sell sell sell as if we have enough land to satisfy the hundreds of millions of buyers of this world. If you keep doing the same thing you keep getting the same result. We never see them with any policy to control demand. mone - 2020-11-17 16:31:00 |
| 42 | This message was deleted. gunna-1 - 2020-11-17 16:35:00 |
| 43 | annie17111 wrote:
When age slows you down and joint replacements are needed plus other, sometimes sad, circumstances eventuate, you may change your mind as many of us have had to do so enjoy the here and now while you can. kacy5 - 2020-11-17 18:25:00 |
| 44 | The member deleted this message. gunna-1 - 2020-11-18 13:58:00 |
| 45 | currently plenty of houses , but picky buyers, especially the young and beautiful people who want full bling but can't afford it then cry about it to anyone who will listen. gabbysnana - 2020-11-20 12:54:00 |
| 46 | kacy5 wrote: I really hope not, my parents action and house is way bigger than ours and they have no plans of moving anytime soon and my dad is late 60s. My boss is 73 and still working and has a huge garden and big house. annie17111 - 2020-11-20 13:21:00 |
| 47 | annie17111 wrote:
Sounds good. Selling and buying is really expensive, highly stressful and with no guarantee of happiness. IMO instead of paying real estate agents there's an opportunity to use that money to pay people to help with the house and the garden. artemis - 2020-11-20 15:44:00 |
| 48 | We should put the country on a ww2 war footing UK style .Build thousands of prefabs priced 5 times the annual income not ten. Break up the strangle hold of land owners ,construction companies and Chinese building products. sell kit sets 2.5 bedrooms all the same that anybody that can swing a hammer can build.Put an end to 30 year mortgages in 5 years.Cant do it ,might as well pack up and leave. sadmuddle - 2020-11-20 22:33:00 |
| 49 | sadmuddle wrote:
Poor little millennials. pcle - 2020-11-21 09:13:00 |
| 50 | pcle wrote: sadmuddle - 2020-11-21 18:13:00 |
