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.....connectors? https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/marketplace/electronics-photogra
phy/home-audio/cables/listing/2818053889?bof=vFulddpC
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My neighbours VHS is working through the tv component connectors(Green Red Blue - from memory), it does not have Yellow White and Red connectors for his VHS, but he can get Mono audio only through the White VHS cable. His DVD player is Component and VHS is Composite (or RCA ? connectors)

olack - 2020-10-14 10:10:00
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Component uses 3 video signals (YUV) + audio left/right. Composite uses one signal (a debauchery) for video + audio left/right. Both standards use RCA connectors.

Composite is vulgar and should be avoided.

spyware - 2020-10-14 10:30:00
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Some TVs use the component Y signal (the GREEN one) for composite video in order to not implement a 2nd physical interface. If this is the case then only the green video interface should be used plus two audio. Need to make sure that one of the audios is not connected to component RED (which is unused in this composite configuration).

Edited by spyware at 10:35 am, Wed 14 Oct

spyware - 2020-10-14 10:34:00
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Component video leads are typically decent coaxial cable. Composite video lead is typically crap cable to match the low bandwidth crap going through it.

spyware - 2020-10-14 10:36:00
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VHS usually only use composite. VHS looks much better on old CRT TV, true story.

tygertung - 2020-10-14 12:55:00
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Not clear to me what you are asking; you want to get stereo sound from the VHS or DVD player to the TV? Or have DVD player and VHS connected up at same time and both stereo? A picture or model numbers works help us come up with the right cables.

Is the TV a CRT or something? Not sure how old all this is but the unit linked to in the original post is composite (single Yellow RCA plug for video) so you would get poor quality video in return for stereo sound.

I used to help friends and family a bit with AV which can get complex with old or mismatched gear. My quick guide of connection types from best to worst ( ignoring wireless, computer, and other oddball connectors):

HDMI (1.4/2.0 etc.. newer is better)
HDMI + S/PDIF (optical audio)
Component - RGB video (3xRCA) + Red/White Audio (2xRCA)
S-Video - single DIN connector + audio over Red/White RCA
SCART - varying quality but not that common in NZ
Composite - single Yellow RCA + Red/White Audio. If mono, just a single White RCA rather than Red/White.
RF - Black or White coaxial cable - scrambled video and audio.

Edited by gblack at 7:45 pm, Wed 14 Oct

gblack - 2020-10-14 19:45:00
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spyware wrote:

Component uses 3 video signals (YUV) + audio left/right. Composite uses one signal (a debauchery) for video + audio left/right. Both standards use RCA connectors.

Composite is vulgar and should be avoided.

But he has a two out put VHS... yellow and white...

olack - 2020-10-15 11:05:00
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spyware wrote:

Some TVs use the component Y signal (the GREEN one) for composite video in order to not implement a 2nd physical interface. If this is the case then only the green video interface should be used plus two audio. Need to make sure that one of the audios is not connected to component RED (which is unused in this composite configuration).

Yes, I found this by experimenting. Only Yellow and White for the two output RCA connectors on the VCR to the older TV that has only the connectors for Component. The VCR Yellow output gives a picture in the Component Green socket on the TV and the White gives the Mono sound in whichever other color that worked with it for sound on the TV.

Edited by olack at 11:13 am, Thu 15 Oct

olack - 2020-10-15 11:07:00
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spyware wrote:

Component video leads are typically decent coaxial cable. Composite video lead is typically crap cable to match the low bandwidth crap going through it.


The VCR does put out a fairly crappy image. Should I get him some RC cables, he would need only two because the VCR has only Yellow and White outputs.

olack - 2020-10-15 11:09:00
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My question is, because both the DVD (component connectors) and the VCR (composite connectors) work with the TV will a 3 Way Audio Video AV RCA Switch Box Splitter work for switching between the two? I can not see why not, but it is not my money that will be spent to pay for the splitter.

Edited by olack at 11:16 am, Thu 15 Oct

olack - 2020-10-15 11:15:00
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This is the TV - https://www.panasonic.com/nz/support/product-archives/produc
t-archives-consumer/tv-home-theatre-audio/led-tvs/th-40a400z
.html

This is the VCR - https://www.manualslib.com/manual/119908/Panasonic-NV-SJ230A
.html

This is the DVD Recorder - https://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/home-entertainment/blu
-ray-dvd/dvd-recorder/dmr-eh59.html

olack - 2020-10-15 11:54:00
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The TV is modern and pretty decent. HDMI. The DVD Recorder is also pretty good as far as they go.

So still bit confused why anybody would be looking at a VHS component or composite cables. Who actually uses a VCR and why? Awful quality and worth about $1. Couple of years ago i dumped my last VHS recorder (a very good 4 head Samsung that was near the best VHS back in the day). Not trying to be rude, but unless there is a *really* good reason to keep the VHS player, my recommendation would be ;

Dump the VHS player. The DVD recorder could be used to capture the VHS tapes to DVD or HDD, but for home content then might be better to get a pro service to copy the tapes to DVD or USB.

Then connect the DVD player to the TV via HDMI and get the best possible quality digital video and audio

Can't recommend mucking around with composite or component cables or adaptors.

gblack - 2020-10-16 21:19:00
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spyware - 2020-10-16 21:25:00
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gblack wrote:

The TV is modern and pretty decent. HDMI. The DVD Recorder is also pretty good as far as they go.

So still bit confused why anybody would be looking at a VHS component or composite cables. Who actually uses a VCR and why? Awful quality and worth about $1. Couple of years ago i dumped my last VHS recorder (a very good 4 head Samsung that was near the best VHS back in the day). Not trying to be rude, but unless there is a *really* good reason to keep the VHS player, my recommendation would be ;

Dump the VHS player. The DVD recorder could be used to capture the VHS tapes to DVD or HDD, but for home content then might be better to get a pro service to copy the tapes to DVD or USB.

Then connect the DVD player to the TV via HDMI and get the best possible quality digital video and audio

Can't recommend mucking around with composite or component cables or adaptors.


Yep, he has many VHS tapes and now the thinking to record the tapes to dvds directly through the dvd player and then getting him HDMI cables. I had suggested the splitter before I learned the DVD player could record directly from VHS. So I can let him know this now and go ahead with this thank you all.

olack - 2020-10-18 04:05:00
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Quality of old VHS recordings will be a shocker though.

I know a few old timers who keep VHS as they had things like some movie recorded of TV years ago that they are meaning to get around to watching some day.

If they have home movies or content then record to HDD/DVD or get a professional to make copies. If just old movies then maybe show them Netflix, Neon etc. I have a NAS Box with old videos but never watch them as too much good content on streaming these days

gblack - 2020-10-19 07:41:00
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If all the recording was done on the VCR the sound will be in mono. Unless the signal is run thru an amplifier which can convert the signal to stereo all recording done by DVD will be in mono. The quality of VHS is 480 or less with older VCR's and will look shocking on a large(32") screen. The image can be "cleaned" using software but that costs big $$$$.

cptdarling - 2020-10-19 10:55:00
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Thank you all.

olack - 2021-03-10 11:06:00
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Regarding the mono audio output, you can add a second RCA plug in parallel at the output where it connects to the TV or DVD recorder to give you 2 channels of mono sound (I'm loath to describe this as stereo).

This is easier than capturing mono sound into a capture card, demuxing the audio and video, changing the audio to 2 channels and remuxing it.

gyrogearloose - 2021-03-10 12:34:00
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cptdarling wrote:

If all the recording was done on the VCR the sound will be in mono. Unless the signal is run thru an amplifier which can convert the signal to stereo all recording done by DVD will be in mono. The quality of VHS is 480 or less with older VCR's and will look shocking on a large(32") screen. The image can be "cleaned" using software but that costs big $$$$.

I believe that VHS has stereo sound.

tygertung - 2021-03-10 15:38:00
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tygertung wrote:

I believe that VHS has stereo sound.

Wrong, standard VHS was mono, stereo was an advancement that came later and only then became decent on some higher end machines, HiFi VHS.

Edited by ronaldo8 at 5:51 pm, Wed 10 Mar

ronaldo8 - 2021-03-10 17:51:00
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It says VHS hifi stereo has been out since 1984, so would have to have a pretty old machine for it not to have it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VHS

tygertung - 2021-03-10 21:09:00
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tygertung wrote:

It says VHS hifi stereo has been out since 1984, so would have to have a pretty old machine for it not to have it.


olack wrote:

This is the VCR - https://www.manualslib.com/manual/119908/Panasonic-NV-SJ230A
.html


Page 3 & 4 show this is a mono model.

gyrogearloose - 2021-03-10 21:17:00
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tygertung wrote:

It says VHS hifi stereo has been out since 1984, so would have to have a pretty old machine for it not to have it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VHS

Your second mistake is in assuming therefore that in 1984 every manufacturer shifted their entire product line to the highest spec available.
A ridiculous leap.

Edited by ronaldo8 at 12:59 am, Thu 11 Mar

ronaldo8 - 2021-03-11 00:58:00
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Surely since at least the early 90s they would have all been stereo, and I don't think there would be many older decks than that lying around.

tygertung - 2021-03-11 08:00:00
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Surely Shirley you can go look at the manual helpfully provided and see for yourself that the vcr in question is mono as was pointed out thtee posts back. Why you'd imagine that all models from all manufacturers would have the same feature set is beyond me.

Hello? Earth to planet Zzzz !

ronaldo8 - 2021-03-11 13:15:00
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I have never seen a mono VHS before, every one I have ever seen since the early 90s has been stereo.

tygertung - 2021-03-11 17:22:00
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Aye, some of us are older and remember older technology, my friend reprimanded me buying a new needle rather than a styli, apparently they haven't been made from cactus for some time.

edit: I'm refurbishing a radiogram for 78's that my father built

Edited by gyrogearloose at 6:40 pm, Thu 11 Mar

gyrogearloose - 2021-03-11 18:38:00
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tygertung wrote:

I have never seen a mono VHS before, every one I have ever seen since the early 90s has been stereo.

Your experience > reality =/= true

ronaldo8 - 2021-03-12 15:05:00
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gyrogearloose wrote:

Aye, some of us are older and remember older technology, my friend reprimanded me buying a new needle rather than a styli, apparently they haven't been made from cactus for some time.

edit: I'm refurbishing a radiogram for 78's that my father built

Cactus....Haha, what a prick.

ronaldo8 - 2021-03-12 15:07:00
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