A two way radio has shown up in a box of stuff. I want to sell. However I remember a recent email from TM putting a restriction on these things.

The restricted items says you can't sell "unrestricted" ones, and this brand is mentioned, but not sure if this is locked or unrestricted. Thanks

It is a baofeng UV-5R
Back says frequency range
136-174MHz
400-520MHz

callum.irvine - 2020-10-13 08:09:00

Hubby uses radios at work, (airport), on what would be restricted frequencies, and they don't fall within those frequency ranges.

Edited by nice_lady at 8:49 am, Tue 13 Oct

nice_lady - 2020-10-13 08:48:00

It transmits in the Amateur radio bands and can only be sold to a person holding an amateur license.

phil1943 - 2020-10-13 11:33:00

They can be programmed to transmit on the correct bands for unlicensed use.
Here are the UHF frequencies. Use these:
http://www.kiwiasylum.com/radio-spectrum/uhf-channels/

tygertung - 2020-10-13 12:08:00

The OP wants to sell it.
It is capable of transmitting in the amateur bands so can only be sold to licensed amateurs.
If you sell it on TM add that stipulation to your post.

phil1943 - 2020-10-13 12:35:00

PRS is short for Personal Radio Service, a 40 channel UHF band radio service that does not require licencing

tygertung - 2020-10-13 16:14:00

These are not PRS radios.They are not type approved and a 2018 amendment to the radio regulation specify these as requiring a license to own and operate.

phil1943 - 2020-10-13 16:28:00

Earlier this year a Tauranga man was fined $3000.00 for the illegal use of one of these sets.

phil1943 - 2020-10-13 16:40:00

PRS has now been expanded to 80 channels over the same frequency.

Ensure you are using the correct frequency to avoid problems for other users of the radio spectrum.

tygertung - 2020-10-13 18:41:00

Bit tricky isn't it. Looking at the frequencies on the back I now see that some of these same frequencies are used by emergency services! Guess that is the reason for the licensing. Thanks, Phil, I'll dig up some wording like that to add to the listing when I sell it.

callum.irvine - 2020-10-13 22:10:00

PRS frequencies start at 476.4250 MHz and end at 477.4125 MHz.
These frequencies do not require a licence.

tygertung - 2020-10-14 05:45:00

I'd have a good look on wws.rsm.govt.nz first. If you can't find the answer there's a 'contact us' linnk.

floydbloke - 2020-10-14 06:31:00

RSM and the regulations are quite clear and specifically mention these radios.
They can only be used by someone with a license on the amateur bands.
The possession of the radio without a license is also illegal.
The radios are NOT type approved for use anywhere other than the amateur frequencies.

phil1943 - 2020-10-14 08:53:00

Here is the RSM Gazette notice for the CB (26 MHz and 27 MHz) and the PRS (477 MHz) bands:
https://rrf.rsm.govt.nz/smart-web/smart/page/-smart/domain/l
icence/LicenceSummary.wdk?id=146140

You do not need to obtain a licence to operate a radio on these frequencies.
https://www.rsm.govt.nz/licensing/frequencies-for-anyone/cit
izen-band-radio-gurl/

tygertung - 2020-10-14 13:16:00

You are missing the point.
These frequencies can only be used if the radio is type approved for PRS.
The Baofeng radio is not type approved. It is illegal to even have one in your possession if you are not licensed.
A Tauranga man was prosecuted and fined $3000.00 for having one.
(Section 113 and 114 of the regulations)
These radios are restricted to amateur use only.
There are some on sale on this site now and sales are restricted to licensed amateurs who must produce a license to purchase.

phil1943 - 2020-10-14 14:00:00

A lot of miss information here. I will clear it up. We work very closely with RSM .The Baofeng radio is not type approved for commercial use in NZ end off. The 136-174 and 400 -520 MHz bands cover in addition to amateur radio, ES, EN,EE bands which are all commercial VHF bands licensed to local authorities as well as private companies The UHF bands T,I,J are all licensed fixed links then CN and FN are licensed land mobile bands. these can all be tuned by this radio as well as the PRS bands.
PRS licensing comes under is what we call GURL or general user radio license. This covers PRS, garage door openers, portable phones all sorts of remote RF devices.
The issue with those radios is they can be tuned via the front panel. Technically there is nothing wrong with using it on the PRS band. But it is not type approved. so that breaks the conditions of a GURL license. Where it becomes an issue is when its programed for unauthorized use any other other licensed bands not under GURL. You open your self up for a visit from the boys. Believe me depending on what you are doing it doesn't take long to find you depending on what you are transmitting on- ask the road works traffic control boys in Kawerau. Its just a real pain chasing interference from an unlicensed source.
There is also rules and licensing required for sellers of commercial capable transmitting devices like 2 way radio.
Can you sell it- technically nope - you are not a licensed seller of commercial 2 way radio and it is not type approved for use in NZ
Can you use it on PRS band which comes under GURL- no its not type approved- that is the only reason. Many operators have radios that are capable of tuning the full UHF bands and use them only for PRS- if they are type approved and have only PRS channels in them then yes this if fine.

shakespeare6 - 2020-10-14 14:06:00

Well put.

phil1943 - 2020-10-14 14:30:00

phil and shakespeare, well put, my god that other poster has no idea

kingfisher21 - 2020-10-14 14:41:00

kingfisher21 wrote:

phil and shakespeare, well put, my god that other poster has no idea

Are you talking about me? All I ever posted were the permitted frequencies for the PRS, which one doesn't need a licence for. I never made any comment on what radio one can use to transmit on those frequencies. I also said not to use other frequencies.

I linked to the government websites concerning these frequencies.

tygertung - 2020-10-14 15:55:00

I did say that they could be programmed to transmit on the correct frequencies, but maybe I was mistaken.

tygertung - 2020-10-14 15:58:00

I said that the frequencies on the PRS band did not require a special licence, and that the radio could be programmed to transmit on those frequencies. Is that not correct?

tygertung - 2020-10-14 18:30:00

Thanks, I'll have a look at eBay to see their restrictions, otherwise it goes into the bin. A shame, but understandable.

callum.irvine - 2020-10-14 19:48:00

You can send it to me if you like.

tygertung - 2020-10-15 06:34:00

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frogycrzy - 2020-10-24 16:23:00

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frogycrzy - 2020-10-24 16:30:00

shakespeare6 wrote:

A lot of miss information here. I will clear it up. We work very closely with RSM .The Baofeng radio is not type approved for commercial use in NZ end off. The 136-174 and 400 -520 MHz bands cover in addition to amateur radio, ES, EN,EE bands which are all commercial VHF bands licensed to local authorities as well as private companies The UHF bands T,I,J are all licensed fixed links then CN and FN are licensed land mobile bands. these can all be tuned by this radio as well as the PRS bands.
PRS licensing comes under is what we call GURL or general user radio license. This covers PRS, garage door openers, portable phones all sorts of remote RF devices.
The issue with those radios is they can be tuned via the front panel. Technically there is nothing wrong with using it on the PRS band. But it is not type approved. so that breaks the conditions of a GURL license. Where it becomes an issue is when its programed for unauthorized use any other other licensed bands not under GURL. You open your self up for a visit from the boys. Believe me depending on what you are doing it doesn't take long to find you depending on what you are transmitting on- ask the road works traffic control boys in Kawerau. Its just a real pain chasing interference from an unlicensed source.
There is also rules and licensing required for sellers of commercial capable transmitting devices like 2 way radio.
Can you sell it- technically nope - you are not a licensed seller of commercial 2 way radio and it is not type approved for use in NZ
Can you use it on PRS band which comes under GURL- no its not type approved- that is the only reason. Many operators have radios that are capable of tuning the full UHF bands and use them only for PRS- if they are type approved and have only PRS channels in them then yes this if fine.

Spot on but licensed amateurs ARE allowed to own and operate them (within the terms of the amateur allocation and all of the other technical requirements). No-one else is allowed to own them. It surprises me that local sellers are selling them to the likes of sports orgnaisations after programing them all up on a non-PRS freq - the club was told that they could thus not be interefered with by anyone!!!

tegretol - 2020-10-24 22:10:00

What would happen if you programmed one to the frequencies inbetween the normal channel frequencies within the prs frequency range? Surely that way it wouldn't be illegal for transmitting on the wrong range, but wouldn't be transmitting on commonly used frequencies?

tygertung - 2020-10-25 07:52:00

tygertung wrote:

What would happen if you programmed one to the frequencies inbetween the normal channel frequencies within the prs frequency range? Surely that way it wouldn't be illegal for transmitting on the wrong range, but wouldn't be transmitting on commonly used frequencies?

Suggest you read the relevant Act and then figure if you're willing to pay the fine! If you wondered what the fine levels were, ask Google to tell you about the Garmin dog-collar fines in 2018 (they were grey imports that were on a non-NZ frequency). Innocence don't work on this issue!!!

Edited by tegretol at 9:30 am, Sun 25 Oct

tegretol - 2020-10-25 09:30:00

how much do you want for it, i have ham licence, as well as licenced frequencies in VHF and UHF bands

shall - 2020-10-25 09:46:00

shall wrote:

how much do you want for it, i have ham licence, as well as licenced frequencies in VHF and UHF bands

What's your ham callsign? ZLGOODBUDDY?

tegretol - 2020-10-25 10:23:00

Anyone seen ZL3II lately? Used to be an RNZAF employed amateur.
Thanks, David

davepro - 2020-11-17 14:23:00

I have a 'licence to supply' radio equipment with RSM, and also an endorsement to supply 'unrestricted radio equipment' - which is what OP's unit comes under.
You are allowed to sell it on here providing you specifically state that it can only be sold to someone who is the holder of an amateur radio licence, and you must sight that licence or get proof of it before handing over the radio.
I also work closely with the RSM team and they are right on top of this - especially on following up on sales of these radios due to the problems that have happened in the past with people misusing them.

1zw - 2020-11-20 13:10:00

1zw wrote:

I have a 'licence to supply' radio equipment with RSM, and also an endorsement to supply 'unrestricted radio equipment' - which is what OP's unit comes under.
You are allowed to sell it on here providing you specifically state that it can only be sold to someone who is the holder of an amateur radio licence, and you must sight that licence or get proof of it before handing over the radio.
I also work closely with the RSM team and they are right on top of this - especially on following up on sales of these radios due to the problems that have happened in the past with people misusing them.

The RSM need only look at Facebooks' Market Place where there are literally tens of the UV5Rs for sale, there is one on there that even says "programed to police channels so you can give it back to them".

tegretol - 2020-11-20 23:45:00