Microsoft Updates
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| 1 | I have enough of those Microsoft updates. They changed several things on my programs since the last update. And we are not even able to complain! linde - 2020-10-07 08:16:00 |
| 2 | Hmmm....don't seem to have had any particular changes from updates - perhaps I"m lucky ? What changed ? nice_lady - 2020-10-07 08:27:00 |
| 3 | You don't HAVE to accept them. I never did in all the time I had a PC...right from the first Windows...........I did however do the service packs. lythande1 - 2020-10-07 08:33:00 |
| 4 | nice_lady wrote: linde - 2020-10-07 08:39:00 |
| 5 | lythande1 wrote:
Wrong. You DO 'have to accept them' now-a-days. Windows 10 changed that. You can delay them, now, (previously they would just happen without user intervention/prevention - which was quite embarrasing in some circumstances - in the middle of a television presentation for instance lol). Unless you have researched and used some third party tool to prevent updates. And for the 'ordinary' user this is probably not something they're even aware exists. Edited by nice_lady at 8:41 am, Wed 7 Oct nice_lady - 2020-10-07 08:40:00 |
| 6 | I am actually extremely disappointed that things in MY programs changed since the last update. How dear!!! I needed help from a friend who works with computers to get things back to close how they were, they are not yet back to how they were. Who decides to change things which work? I feel we are Microsoft prisoners. Edited by linde at 8:52 am, Wed 7 Oct linde - 2020-10-07 08:49:00 |
| 7 | linde wrote:
I have thunderbird and it's unchanged. Windows updates wouldnt change other vendors programs. Edited by nice_lady at 9:06 am, Wed 7 Oct nice_lady - 2020-10-07 09:05:00 |
| 8 | It definitely changed since the update. And GIMP is set to "basic" appearance not how I had it. linde - 2020-10-07 09:20:00 |
| 9 | I think its a real stretch to blame a windows update for program appearance changes. They were possibly program updates that have been sitting waiting for a restart before being installed. Would make sense if you don't ever turn off the PC king1 - 2020-10-07 10:24:00 |
| 10 | Dump the Windows product and buy a Mac. macOS gives you a drop down box and says there is an update available and asks when is convenient to install ? Later today? Now? Or overnight? It also gives you a warning if any of your software won’t be compatible with the new version of macOS. No doubt there will be a loud REEEEEEEEEE from other posters on here for suggesting the move, however these posts are becoming more and more common. sw20 - 2020-10-07 10:47:00 |
| 11 | sw20 wrote: what's a loud REEEEEEEEEE btw - is it Mac thing? king1 - 2020-10-07 10:54:00 |
| 12 | sw20 wrote:
And how is this substantially different from todays Windows update prompts ? nice_lady - 2020-10-07 11:17:00 |
| 13 | king1 wrote:
^This Mozilla has within the last week or so released a new version of Thunderbird which changes its appearance. (Ver 68 to ver 72). The update has been around a while but they have only piped it down the public channel recently. wembley1 - 2020-10-07 11:58:00 |
| 14 | If one uses a version of Linux such as Ubuntu or Mint, you don't have these kinds of issues with updates. This suggestion will have the Microsoft Fan-girls and boys protesting loudly though. tygertung - 2020-10-07 12:54:00 |
| 15 | If the various fan-girls and boys of all persuasions need to resort to a non-event like a program update as a reason to switch allegiances, I say that's a win for Microsoft and you should all give up now... king1 - 2020-10-07 13:13:00 |
| 16 | I have to wonder why you are using windows at all if your apps are thunderbird and gimp ? But free to choose what you like, just this week I had a customer using ubuntu could only select 640x480 resolution after an update, so it seems theres no escape from updates changing things regardless of OS. Needed the nvidia driver package set as the graphic driver of choice to get back to normal resolutions. bitsnpieces2020 - 2020-10-07 13:28:00 |
| 17 | linde wrote: and there is a feedback hub in Windows 10. king1 - 2020-10-07 13:46:00 |
| 18 | Good luck complaining to Microsoft about the changes to your non microsoft programs. nice_lady - 2020-10-07 14:03:00 |
| 19 | Or even Microsoft programmes. Personally since using Linux for the last 13 or so years have had no problems with updates ruining anything. Apple products are not so good as you won't get any software any more for an older device. Windows XP was great, windows 7 was OK, and subsquent versions more invasive and less functionality for more system resources. Although pretty much all modern operating systems are getting pretty heavy on the resource front. tygertung - 2020-10-07 14:51:00 |
| 20 | tygertung wrote: i fail to see how 10 could even remotely be considered less functional than 7, and more so XP, but each to their own... king1 - 2020-10-07 15:26:00 |
| 21 | True.... nice_lady - 2020-10-07 15:36:00 |
| 22 | I think in the wider scheme of things, with so many options like web based apps / cloud hosted data, windows 10 is no longer the one and only choice for many people. However they just don't know anything else yet. WIn 10 may well be the most stable & feature rich windows ever. It just nowadays that doesn't have as much weight to it, as 10+ years ago. bitsnpieces2020 - 2020-10-07 15:39:00 |
| 23 | king1 wrote: event_horizon_1 - 2020-10-07 16:50:00 |
| 24 | event_horizon_1 wrote: oh I see... one of those closing statements fanboys make following their 'pearl of wisdom'; to discourage opposing points of view etc. It's just so... childish... clearly I haven't lived Edited by king1 at 5:41 pm, Wed 7 Oct king1 - 2020-10-07 17:38:00 |
| 25 | Does anyone in Nelson know how Linux works? linde - 2020-10-08 07:33:00 |
| 26 | linde wrote:
No. The South Island is so remote no-one has ever heard of Linux. Edited by nice_lady at 7:39 am, Thu 8 Oct nice_lady - 2020-10-08 07:39:00 |
| 27 | nice_lady wrote: lythande1 - 2020-10-08 08:40:00 |
| 28 | king1 wrote:
What extra functions does it have? I mean the operating system, not extra programmes. One nice feature which XP had, was that Windows Media Player could be minimised with the controls in the minimised player. The mini player. Functionality was removed in 7 and has never returned. I'm not sure what extra features windows 10 has, especially ones which are not invasive. tygertung - 2020-10-08 08:41:00 |
| 29 | tygertung wrote: making sweeping statements such as you have is simply wrong. Especially since it appears the only reason for it is because of one missing feature in WMP... The basic controls are now in the applications thumbnail - this shows 7 but I have confirmed it is the same in 10 as for invasive? can you give me an example? some of the new functionality requires extra info for such things as sharing across devices. But all these things can be turned off and/or disabled though king1 - 2020-10-08 09:14:00 |
| 30 | My wife bought a new laptop with windows 10, and it wouldn't even let her start up windows for the first time without connecting to the internet and creating an microsoft account. Most of that stuff linked was just bundled programmes such as XBOX online rubbish. I am talking core operating system. The search function for programmes is quite handy as the start menu is much bulkier now. Also the settings are spread all over the place, so nice to be able to search for them rather than try to look in several different places at once. Windows 7 introduced a feature where the desktop background would change after a certain time which was nice, but in windows 10 you had to use a workaround for it to use pictures in more than one folder. XP let you have a gif animation for the desktop background, but I don't think you can do that anymore. Also XP was more customisable desktop, especially the taskbar was much tidier with the quicklaunch staying where it was. tygertung - 2020-10-08 09:50:00 |
| 31 | Windows 10 has additional desktop locations due to the enforced 'onedrive' which isn't clear how to turn off. Also no way to get back to the windows classic theme, if you like to keep things old school. tygertung - 2020-10-08 09:51:00 |
| 32 | I just reinstalled Windows 10 on my gaming PC from a bootable USB drive. You can absolutely install WIn10 without being online, and without a Microsoft account. I did however log into my Microsoft Account after loading to the desktop, so as to activate my Windows 10 license. I then logged back out of it. I wouldn't call myself a power user of Windows, but a relatively heavy user. There is nothing that I don't get in Windows 10 that I could get in XP or 7, which makes me wish that I could go back. I am sure most people are the same. cube_guy - 2020-10-08 10:33:00 |
| 33 | tygertung wrote: 1. you can still set up a local account, just leave internet disconnected during initial setup king1 - 2020-10-08 10:36:00 |
| 34 | tygertung wrote: ok onedrive does annoy me too... it needs to be more seamless and just work with the existing folder structure rather than trying to keep/move everything to its own folder. Edited by king1 at 10:43 am, Thu 8 Oct king1 - 2020-10-08 10:39:00 |
| 35 | tygertung wrote:
hulloitsme - 2020-10-08 11:26:00 |
| 36 | hulloitsme wrote:
Still can't get that windows 95 look though... tygertung - 2020-10-08 12:53:00 |
| 37 | king1 wrote:
The pinning of programmes annoys me as it looks untidy. Here is the workaround to get the background slideshow to see the subfolders: https://appuals.com/fix-windows-10-background-slideshow-not- Still not sure on what all the actual extra features are, but hey, I don't have to use it do I? tygertung - 2020-10-08 12:57:00 |
| 38 | tygertung wrote: just for you... king1 - 2020-10-08 13:03:00 |
| 39 | king1 wrote:
It's lingo, code words for "cool" kids. This particular one is a cop out way of not having to deal with critique of ones ideas, a learnt duck and cover method to try to pre-empt criticism, an affectation. It's methodology is simplistic and revealing, it relies on claiming that any reaction is an emotional overreaction and that anything said by any potential opponent can therefore be ignored. Lazy Claytons thinking, the defence you present without presenting a defence. Like many such strategies it belies the weakness it aims to project, in that its user is so insecure that they need to try to head off opposing views by pre-empting them. Funny huh. Edited by ronaldo8 at 2:00 pm, Sat 10 Oct ronaldo8 - 2020-10-10 13:50:00 |
| 40 | This message was deleted. puddleduck00 - 2020-10-13 21:06:00 |
| 41 | king1 wrote: headcat - 2020-10-13 22:06:00 |
| 42 | This message was deleted. puddleduck00 - 2020-10-13 23:23:00 |
| 43 | headcat wrote: nothing is ever a finished product in the tech sector, especially where software is concerned king1 - 2020-10-13 23:36:00 |
| 44 | puddleduck00 wrote: it's a non-event in the context that it was not the Microsoft update that caused the changes in Thunderbird and Gimp ... so choosing to switch to apple or linux based solely on that is ill-conceived . Yes, software that doesn't operate correctly causing productivity issues and loss of revenue in a business is a problem, but that is moreso about software choice and quality of business decisions - Gimp and thunderbird both being free software with limited support. Options are available to pay hundreds or thousands for professional software with full support Edited by king1 at 11:53 pm, Tue 13 Oct king1 - 2020-10-13 23:44:00 |
| 45 | An operating system should be able to carry out an update to itself and its software without crippling the performance of the computer. Likewise it p shouldn't take any extra time to shut-down or do a cold boot. It is reasonable to expect a slight drop in performance when carrying out the update, but not cripple the performance. tygertung - 2020-10-14 05:43:00 |
| 46 | headcat wrote:
Possibly the world of Computers may not be for you. Users are now the testers. Cheaper to get the product to market a sap, then patch issues as/when/if they arise in the OS, BIOS, Firmware etc. I am definitely in the update-often camp. cookee_nz - 2020-10-14 07:30:00 |
| 47 | tygertung wrote: in a perfect world perhaps, but your expectations don't leave much scope for installing updates at all, especially a feature update. None of this is actually relevant to the OPs problem though. king1 - 2020-10-14 08:21:00 |
| 48 | cookee_nz wrote: this is an interesting read on that subject... king1 - 2020-10-14 08:32:00 |
| 49 | event_horizon_1 wrote: Nah. It's a Mac user thing... I moved to linux around 10 years ago. Running Linux Mint Debian Edition 4 at the moment. Liked it so much it is installed on all my 686 up kit. YOU select when updates can take effect and only need to reboot on kernal related updates. Edited by mark.p at 6:38 am, Tue 20 Oct mark.p - 2020-10-20 06:29:00 |
| 50 | king1 wrote:
I am not sure if this is true, as on all my Linux machines, the computer's performance isn't really affected at all when it is installing the updates, which the system asks me before installing them, and restarts are only at my convenience, and it takes normal time to restart, not ages like on a windows machine. tygertung - 2020-10-20 14:07:00 |
