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Sleepout, costs and pitfalls.

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Has anyone put a sleepout on the back yard of their house? I see theres a few decent self contained ones on trademe which are purpose built.

We are thinking a self contaned sleepout with kitchen and bathroom.

Are they ok for an elderly parent to live in (minimum size)?
What was your costs in the end to connect for a self contained sleepout?
Nay other Pros and cons?

robs - 2020-05-03 06:37:00
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Costs are so variable. Depends on access, retaining, all sorts. My example:
Brother in law in Wanganui built a 3 bay workshop with power on flat access. $45k
We (Wellington) built a double garage with bedroom, bathroom and workshop underneath so needed retaining. $250,000

kaylin - 2020-05-03 08:05:00
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Check out council fees and costs, also whether they will increase rates.

pheonix4 - 2020-05-03 08:57:00
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robs wrote:

Has anyone put a sleepout on the back yard of their house? I see theres a few decent self contained ones on trademe which are purpose built.

We are thinking a self contaned sleepout with kitchen and bathroom.

Are they ok for an elderly parent to live in (minimum size)?
What was your costs in the end to connect for a self contained sleepout?
Nay other Pros and cons?

you cant put an elderly parent in a sleepout, that's senior abuse. Either build a granny flat on your property or leave them in their own home. So many negatives.

gabbysnana - 2020-05-03 09:41:00
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pheonix4 wrote:

Check out council fees and costs, also whether they will increase rates.

As it increased value of the property, it will be picked up and reflected in the CV for the next rates year. If it's classed as a seperate dwelling, it will also a second general uniform charge.

Secondly, it will also pick up a second EQC and FireService levy.

Edited by sparkychap at 9:50 am, Sun 3 May

sparkychap - 2020-05-03 09:49:00
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gabbysnana wrote:

you cant put an elderly parent in a sleepout, that's senior abuse. Either build a granny flat on your property or leave them in their own home. So many negatives.

As long as it is insulated and warm, not the usual square box type but more of a tiny house, many would love it. You don't need an oven, benchtop appliances work well and all I have used for 6 years. I converted a double garage into a flat and it's great, I love living in it, much less work than the house I sold. A friend loves her caravan which she has been in 9 years and that's despite going through a severe illness and treatment so without knowing exactly what the 'sleepout' entails it might be fine for an older person.

kacy5 - 2020-05-03 11:00:00
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gabbysnana wrote:

you cant put an elderly parent in a sleepout, that's senior abuse. Either build a granny flat on your property or leave them in their own home. So many negatives.


what a a load of bs

kiwicarol - 2020-05-03 11:18:00
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I cant help re cost as some years since I did this but mine was 17.5sqm. Seperate toilet and shower. small vanity, large wardrobe but no inbuilt kitchen facilities. 15 years ago cost all up $28k.another $4k approx for a verandah and large deck
I know when we had the earthquakes here 2010/11 replacement cost was $47k just for the sleepout. Mine is on a concrete slab foundation not something that can be cabin/ tiny house like and removed if necessary. It is a fixed structure. Council increased the rates before compliance cert was issued.

Edited to add although seperate from my house ( although close to it) it was not counted as a seperate dwelling for insurance or rates purposes as far as charges went but was a seperate claim for some damage in the earthquakes.

Edited by kiwicarol at 11:30 am, Sun 3 May

kiwicarol - 2020-05-03 11:26:00
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sparkychap wrote:

As it increased value of the property, it will be picked up and reflected in the CV for the next rates year. If it's classed as a seperate dwelling, it will also a second general uniform charge.

Secondly, it will also pick up a second EQC and FireService levy.


exactly
and those can be sizeable pitfalls

pheonix4 - 2020-05-03 12:58:00
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The 2nd kitchen is the killer. Once the council know about a 2nd kitchen they will charge you for two dwellings.
If you think it through carefully the sink etc could be a vanity in the 2nd bedroom blah blah.
Fit the stove after the compliance cert is issued.

Edited by supernova2 at 12:51 pm, Mon 4 May

supernova2 - 2020-05-04 12:50:00
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Convection microwave, or standard with a benchtop oven, hotplate or electric frypan, All plug in.

artemis - 2020-05-04 13:04:00
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artemis wrote:

Convection microwave, or standard with a benchtop oven, hotplate or electric frypan, All plug in.


this
ample for small space and only 1 or 2 people

pheonix4 - 2020-05-04 18:11:00
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artemis wrote:

Convection microwave, or standard with a benchtop oven, hotplate or electric frypan, All plug in.

Plus an Airfryer, worth buying especially for a small place.

kacy5 - 2020-05-04 18:53:00
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A friends father is living in a one bedroom self contained transportable home with small lounge, kitchen, bathroom, on her brothers property. Not sure of the size but cost $30k
Has a small decking area off the main entrance.
As far as Im aware there have been no additional council costs, is hooked up to main house power supply. Not sure of water/waste water/sewage, insurance.

12 yrs ago we built a 3 bdrm minor 85sqm dwelling through Versatile on our property for my parents. The building & resource consents, water & power connection , and upgrade to storm water and development levy was rediculous. Total cost including paths, driveway, shed, carport, gardens was $200k . We have a legal agreement.

The main thing to be aware of when building anything on your property for an elderly parent, is if they need residential care.
Having joint assets, or using a parents money is closely looked at by WINZ, and if there has been any deprivation of assets.

linzis - 2021-04-27 22:52:00
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Before you get all "hot and excited" about adding a sleep-out etc check with the council if you are allowed to do it, and if yes what are the rules & regs, and also how much it will cost in fees.. Many a grand plan has been sunk by a "clipboard warrior" from the council !!!

onl_148 - 2021-04-28 16:30:00
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gabbysnana wrote:

you cant put an elderly parent in a sleepout, that's senior abuse. Either build a granny flat on your property or leave them in their own home. So many negatives.


"Elder abuse" in a sleepout with cooking and bathroom facilities? Lol

hound31 - 2021-04-28 16:42:00
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supernova2 wrote:

The 2nd kitchen is the killer. Once the council know about a 2nd kitchen they will charge you for two dwellings.
If you think it through carefully the sink etc could be a vanity in the 2nd bedroom blah blah.
Fit the stove after the compliance cert is issued.

Would not recommend this at all. This can have massive implications on your insurance. If anything WAS to happen and it is non compliant/non consented, your insurance might not cover it, so I would check with your Insurer before going down this track.

rhys12 - 2021-04-28 22:43:00
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got any tips for an aging 63year old with a 1140sqm property with a run down 90sqm drafty 1910 cottage smack in the center of the property? The kids grown. Im by myself. I use one bedroom and large dining room kitchen. Half the house is closed off including the lounge. Less work. Its a pain having such a drafty house in the lower north island. In the last year I housed 'needy friends' or their kids and they just left me with unpaid board and overdue power. So Im over sharing my house. I thought about selling up, banking the monies and getting a council flat. Id prefer to rebuild on the property and get rid of the drafty house and 2/3 of the 1140sqm slight contoured property. The entire property needs a lot of work which I dont have the time or energy.

anannaki - 2021-04-28 23:49:00
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kaylin wrote:

Costs are so variable. Depends on access, retaining, all sorts. My example:
Brother in law in Wanganui built a 3 bay workshop with power on flat access. $45k
We (Wellington) built a double garage with bedroom, bathroom and workshop underneath so needed retaining. $250,000

thats the worst comparison ive eve seen, your comparing a most likely 3 bay pole shed-probly not lined inside-on a concrete slab for 45k vs an obviously 2 story garage with bathroom underneath-that has to be built to habitable code-hooked up to wastwater-inspected by council probly 10x more- most likely has to be built by lbp- carpets/bathroomware etc- in wellington so most likely on a hill- with extra civil worksfor retaining walls/engineers etc and the list goes on.
your not even comparing apples with oranges. more like comparing an apple with a 3 course 5-star meal cooked by gordon ramsey,

clangie - 2021-04-29 06:26:00
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anannaki wrote:

got any tips for an aging 63year old with a 1140sqm property with a run down 90sqm drafty 1910 cottage smack in the center of the property? ......

Would you qualify for a council flat? If so that sounds like a plan.

You could take on a carefully selected boarder or flatmate to help build up a fund for repairs. Or a bank or family loan for same.

Suggest best bet might be to sell up and rent (at least temporarily) or buy nearby, choosing something in good condition that takes little effort and worry to maintain. It does sound like the current property is not a sensible long term option.

artemis - 2021-04-29 06:38:00
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anannaki wrote:

got any tips for an aging 63year old with a 1140sqm property with a run down 90sqm drafty 1910 cottage smack in the center of the property? The kids grown. Im by myself. I use one bedroom and large dining room kitchen. Half the house is closed off including the lounge. Less work. Its a pain having such a drafty house in the lower north island. In the last year I housed 'needy friends' or their kids and they just left me with unpaid board and overdue power. So Im over sharing my house. I thought about selling up, banking the monies and getting a council flat. Id prefer to rebuild on the property and get rid of the drafty house and 2/3 of the 1140sqm slight contoured property. The entire property needs a lot of work which I dont have the time or energy.

Assuming you could repurchase a smaller warmer property from the sale proceeds do you consider it reasonable that you should occupy a council flat?

johnston - 2021-04-29 08:02:00
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