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I have hit a double 'brick wall' on this Family
Thomas and Catherine O'KEEFFE nee O'NEILL) came from Ireland prior to 1863 they were in Melbourne when Thomas signed on for the Taranaki Militia.I was told by an elderly aunt that they sailed to New Zealand on the "Gresham" but have now found that came out on the 'Viceroy' arriving in Auckland 26 October 1863 with 3 children (2 boys an 1 girl) This is where the 'brick wall' started. On board the names of the children were not recorded. I have the names of 12 chlldren: The 1st 3 John, Arthur John and Nellie but know not where they were born. Was it Cork or Melbourne?
Thomas and Catherine were married in Kinsale,Cork, 1st June 1862. I have a copy of their Marriage. I also have the Baptism dates of the other 9 children at the Catholic Cathedral here in Christchurch.Can anyone help me.

coastalskipper - 2019-12-03 20:46:00
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Are you certain they were the couple who came on the Viceroy with the 3 children.
If Thomas signed for the Taranaki Militia, why head for Auckland?
There is a family tree at Ancestry for Thomas O'Keeffe & Catherine O'Neil who died in Christchurch in 1918 & 1931; marriage matches your information; 1st child in this tree is Arthur John born New Plymouth (which ties in with your mention of Taranaki), but has none of the 3 earlier children. Some of the detail claimed is questionable.

stock - 2019-12-03 22:14:00
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Stock thanks. The one on Ancestry would be the correct as they both did die in Christchurch. I don't have Ancestry. Who put it on as far as I know I am the only one doing this Tree.

coastalskipper - 2019-12-04 08:42:00
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Looking at the dates you've given, they didn't have time to have 3 children between marrying and getting to Auckland. You might like to check in Ireland under O'Neill?
Otherwise, Victoria has an online BDM index similar to ours:
https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/research-and-family-history/searc
h-your-family-history

Do you have documents from NZ which indicate they had 12 children? If Thomas left a will he may have named them all?

rednicnz - 2019-12-04 09:28:00
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Thank you Rednicnz. I realized that about the marriage and children. But as I also have the marriage cert i knew that it couldn't be wrong. Since I answered Stock I was in touch with the cathedral down here and have the Baptism dates for the children but that didn't have any dates for the 1st 3 children. As they were in Taranaki at the time with the Militia there probably wasn't anyone to Baptize them. Yes to the verification of the number of children I have school reports for them at the Convent.Also a paper cutting from a newspaper about the family hiding in the bush from a raiding party of Thomas, Catherine and 3 children. The youngest was a baby which they carried in a suitcase,which would have been Nellie who was born about 1870. The massacre at that time was 1869 which meant there were 2 boys before her born up there.

coastalskipper - 2019-12-04 10:00:00
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rednicnz wrote:

If Thomas left a will he may have named them all?


Can't see probate for Thomas nor C/Katherine.

stock - 2019-12-04 10:38:00
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Short 1918 obituary of Thomas O'Keefe in a Taranaki paper:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/HNS19181106.2.2
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Born Limerick 79 years ago [=about 1839], arrived Auckland 1862. In Auckland Military Settlers Brigade, Taranaki later. Survived White Cliffs massacre.

Wonder who was the source of the story?

Can't find a Canterbury obituary.

stock - 2019-12-04 11:09:00
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Hi Stock. I haven't got a copy of Wills for Thomas and Catherine as the new Archives haven't long opened and didn't want to go the 1st month. I do have a copy from the Wellington Archives about the skirmishes that centered around where Thomas was in 1869 at the time of the White-cliffs Massacre. This is where the story of the Baby in the Suitcase came about. It still doesn't mention who the 2 boys were but I think one of them may have been Arthur John as he was born abt. 1867 and Nellie abt 1869. She always went as Nellie but that could be short for something? That accounts for 2 children so there must have been an elder one again
Can you tell me what Ancestry said about the children or can I get in touch with the subscriber?

coastalskipper - 2019-12-04 11:28:00
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The tree at Ancestry is the Gleeson Family Tree.
Owner is Carol Gleeson.
Bernard C Gleeson (1917-1997) is spouse of Doreen B Roberts (1919-2004 [Christchurch]);
Doreen B is daughter of Silvanus Roberts (1871-1946) & Mary O'Keefe (1875-1939).

The children of Thomas O'Keeffe & Catherine O'Neil are listed as:
Arthur John 1867-1950 (& Annie Maria Lightfoot)
Charles 1869 -
Mary 1875 - 1939 (& Silvanus Robert Roberts)
Catherine Hannah 1881 -
Thomas W 1883 -
Dora Penelope -
William 1888 -
Clifford

Papers Past has numerous items on Clifford and Cissie O'Keeffe as singers (this family?).

stock - 2019-12-04 14:32:00
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An Auckland obituary for Thomas O'Keeffe
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19181030.2.5
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A couple of extra details, including "migrated to Melbourne as a young man" and in charge of tree planting at Hagley Park.

stock - 2019-12-04 14:38:00
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At last, a Christchurch obituary:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/CHP19181024.2.5
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Three little children at the time of the White Cliffs incident.
Leaves two sons and seven daughters.

stock - 2019-12-04 14:43:00
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The events at White Cliffs were on 13th of February, 1869.
So, three children before then.

stock - 2019-12-04 15:17:00
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coastalskipper wrote:

they were in Melbourne when Thomas signed on for the Taranaki Militia.I was told by an elderly aunt that they sailed to New Zealand on the "Gresham"

Is this your Thomas, to New Zealand in 1864:
http://www.nzpictures.co.nz/pandoraresearchANZ-AD31-8-8-2.pd
f

Born Bruff, Limerick, single, age 20 [=1844] by ship Gresham.

But if went to Taranaki this is not consistent with Auckland. Not a good age match either.

Edited by stock at 3:51 pm, Wed 4 Dec

stock - 2019-12-04 15:44:00
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I'm wondering if Thomas came to Taranaki from Melbourne with the military contingent in February 1864; and if Catherine and child / ren came later.

There is a Mrs Thos O'Keefe age 20 (Irish) and a Bridget O'Keefe age 2 who were on the ship Auckland, Melbourne to Taranaki, departed 11 May 1865; NZSG Kiwi Collection.

I can't figure out what became of this Bridget.

Edited by stock at 4:19 pm, Wed 4 Dec

stock - 2019-12-04 16:18:00
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Have you seen the death registrations of Thomas and / or Catherine? What does it say about where and age married? Catherine's maiden name?
Don't rely on someone else's research that they were married in Kinsale, Cork, 1st June 1862. You need to ascertain that these are the same couple.

stock - 2019-12-04 16:47:00
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Newspaper reports indicate that Clifford O'Keefe & Cissie / Cissy O'Keefe are brother and sister.
Later news items indicate she is Mrs McLaren. Possibly this marriage:
1915/2522 Rita Kathleen O'Keefe & Colin McLaren

Marriage dissolved 1926
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19260430.2.85

Edited by stock at 5:40 pm, Wed 4 Dec

stock - 2019-12-04 17:30:00
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Thank you Stock. Carol Gleeson is a relation to my husband butt I don't know if she will share with me. I knew about Clifford and Cissie (Rita Kathleen). Thomas was 20 when he and Catherine married She as also about the same age.There were no ages on the Marriage Cert. He was born 1842.Catherine maiden name was O'NEILL. So with your information the eldest Child may have been Bridget,

coastalskipper - 2019-12-04 19:18:00
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