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Is there any strange markings placed on birth certificates indicating one of the parents may have been adopted or even a child is adopted.
Wouldn't it be the responsibility of Births Deaths and Marriages to know that related adopted children existed and on the off chance stop brothers and sisters marrying.
When I asked DB&M I got some dumb answer, like the child would have been told, or the family would know.
the reason I ask, is my mother has a small symbol by her name on my official birth certificate.

milkath - 2019-10-23 21:28:00
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I applied for a DUtch passport years ago, and was turned down as I was not adopted under Dutch law, only NZ. I could not see anything on my BC to state it, and my parents didn't think they would have bothered researching, so no idea how they knew. There must be something, though.

As to DB&M, they asked me if I was sure I wanted a paternity form, rather than a maternity one, and I commented I was sure I would know if I'd given birth to a child. (It struck me odd they would even have maternity forms lol).

Sorry, no real help, but all the best. And yes, not all kids got told they were adopted.

Edited by unknowndisorder at 11:21 pm, Wed 23 Oct

unknowndisorder - 2019-10-23 23:21:00
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I haven't seen that on the certificates. I guess they have access to more in depth information from DIA.

jhan - 2019-10-24 10:02:00
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mousiemousie - 2019-10-24 16:31:00
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milkath wrote:

Is there any strange markings placed on birth certificates indicating one of the parents may have been adopted or even a child is adopted.
Wouldn't it be the responsibility of Births Deaths and Marriages to know that related adopted children existed and on the off chance stop brothers and sisters marrying.
When I asked DB&M I got some dumb answer, like the child would have been told, or the family would know.
the reason I ask, is my mother has a small symbol by her name on my official birth certificate.

You will never get a truthful answer out of BMD with regards to Adoptions, what sort of symbol was it?

Edited by crab2 at 4:55 pm, Thu 24 Oct

crab2 - 2019-10-24 16:54:00
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milkath wrote:

Is there any strange markings placed on birth certificates indicating one of the parents may have been adopted or even a child is adopted.
Wouldn't it be the responsibility of Births Deaths and Marriages to know that related adopted children existed and on the off chance stop brothers and sisters marrying.
When I asked DB&M I got some dumb answer, like the child would have been told, or the family would know.
the reason I ask, is my mother has a small symbol by her name on my official birth certificate.

How are BDM's going to know that information unless it is provided by the birth mother?.Some mothers have several children to different fathers and I doubt they would give the information for adoptive parents.

carbs51 - 2019-10-24 19:45:00
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crab2 wrote:

You will never get a truthful answer out of BMD with regards to Adoptions, what sort of symbol was it?

Nor M.S.D., which controls information on adoptions. Enquired last year and they would not confirm, nor deny, an adoption unless I applied to the Family Court.
O/P raised an interesting point as how many children don't know the truth of their parentage?

amasser - 2019-10-26 11:17:00
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amasser wrote:

Nor M.S.D., which controls information on adoptions. Enquired last year and they would not confirm, nor deny, an adoption unless I applied to the Family Court.
O/P raised an interesting point as how many children don't know the truth of their parentage?

Birth certificates won't show the truth of a persons parentage as quite a few people have found out after doing a DNA study with one of the big companies.

jhan - 2019-10-26 20:25:00
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Hi For some of us, parents both adoptive and birth parents need a good smacking lol I wanted to go kick a few headstones personally. For the people that knew from a young age they where adopted and ones adopted into a loving family. Count your blessings, some of us aren't so lucky. When I applied for my 'full birth certificate' Winz where meant to have a support service set in place and help for those that needed it. They made an appointment for me, I arrived got handed the paper and got told I was lucky as it had both mother and father's names on it. My 'birth farther' had passed on.. my birth mother I met And I should have known... anyway Xmas I did my DNA test simple would be able to check 'my father was my father'. Wrong not a toe nails worth of matching DNA :) (granted there was nothing Winz could have done about it but there is no support and they didn't/don't want to know) There will be and I know of some newer cases of this people that will find coping with attempting to find birth parents a battle And I know with out this board I would have been a cot case long ago. And many families that just don't/won't for what ever reasons know about a 'new' family member. I guess some may feel the 'person' wants 'something'.... I know for me I want a name not overly worried about a first name but a surname one that is mine as other have them. Something 'other people' never think about, never really realize what a 'name' may mean to anyone. As for a symbol if there is no father's name that may be just want it means. Not father listed?? I do so wish you all the best And if nothing else Warehouse has cheap steel capped boots suitable to grave kicking :) Ok granted a some what cynical approach to it but there's going to be a lot of people going through this as I see names appearing on 'my' family tree I have been brought to tears, just thinking what might have been...I can be a nasty can of worms and I wish you well.

anne1955 - 2019-10-30 17:36:00
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Anne 1955, keeping family secrets came with wearing a hat in church on Sundays, everyone pretending uprightness and purity when the grubby truth was well hidden. You can't blame them, it was the times they lived in. To stand out, to stand up was a pretty tall order. What would the neighbours think?

We live in different moral times, some of it worse than theirs, some of it better.

At least we can have the truth if we so desire by testing with a company and waiting for the right cousins to pop up for putting a rest to the question of parentage.

I know, I did a whole family tree for 25 years, the wrong family as it turned out. I put the years researching to good use and built a new tree in weeks. So there is that.

One day you just get over it, all the lies of that generation, what's the use of getting angry with them?

jhan - 2019-10-31 10:50:00
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My sister and I have been lucky, but didn't always realise. Sis has a good relationship with her mother and full brothers, I don't think she has contact with her father, though.

I have intermittent contact with my mother, but don't really "feel" anything but fondness. I do need to sort my shit out and get closer to my half sister for her sake, not mine, but having my own issues at the moment.

I remember getting frustrated with a "friend" growing up as she decided she was adopted, and had no clue as to what being adopted actually felt like.

My sister should never have been adopted, but her mother did not realise she could have just fostered her out until she got older (she was 16 when she gave birth), but it was the early 60s. We have been blessed with our adoptive parents, though :)

unknowndisorder - 2019-11-01 13:03:00
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I have had one add my great grandmothers details and photo to her tree online, claiming that a relative of hers is her child. As has that same middle names as my Gt Grandmother
The child was adopted out in 1911 but died in 1932 with out and children.

NOW... this is news to my extended family as we have the tree documented etc and never once heard anything about anything like it.

The other person has her birth cert from 1983 and the death cert from 1932 but they are in the adoptive parents names.

How would one go about getting her original birth cert and birth name.

As I have done my DNA tests and due to the fact this person has no children etc I wouldnt be able to match it to DNA

karee.bell - 2019-11-08 21:29:00
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karee.bell wrote:

I have had one add my great grandmothers details and photo to her tree online, claiming that a relative of hers is her child. As has that same middle names as my Gt Grandmother
The child was adopted out in 1911 but died in 1932 with out and children.

NOW... this is news to my extended family as we have the tree documented etc and never once heard anything about anything like it.

The other person has her birth cert from 1983 and the death cert from 1932 but they are in the adoptive parents names.

How would one go about getting her original birth cert and birth name.

As I have done my DNA tests and due to the fact this person has no children etc I wouldnt be able to match it to DNA


Sorry, trying to follow this. The birth certificate year is doing my head in. You have put 1983?.

unknowndisorder - 2019-11-19 12:32:00
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unknowndisorder wrote:


Sorry, trying to follow this. The birth certificate year is doing my head in. You have put 1983?.

She was born in 1911.
But as she adopted at birth, the adoptive birth cert is
1983/78563 Jackson Zena May Hunter Elsie Emma Morley John Herbert -
Death:
1932/1546 Stephenson Zena May 20Y

she died in childbirth :(

karee.bell - 2019-11-19 22:38:00
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unknowndisorder wrote:


Sorry, trying to follow this. The birth certificate year is doing my head in. You have put 1983?.

Born 13/3/1911

Late registration in 1983.

nbrob - 2019-11-19 23:24:00
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Adopted people in New Zealand have their original birth certificate with the details of their birth mother and on occasion the birth father but are issued with another birth certificate with details of their adoptive parents.

megan109 - 2019-11-20 16:08:00
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nbrob wrote:

Born 13/3/1911

Late registration in 1983.

Thanks,

karee.bell - 2019-11-20 23:53:00
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megan109 wrote:

Adopted people in New Zealand have their original birth certificate with the details of their birth mother and on occasion the birth father but are issued with another birth certificate with details of their adoptive parents.

How would one go about get the original birth cert for one born in 1911
as dont know what their birth name was or if it was the one they went by.

Just someone messaged me on Ancestry and thinks its possibly my great grandmothers child, which if it were true noone ever knew of it, and all the family are deceased.

including this child, she was 20 when she died, the death cert and marriage certs have the adoptive parents names

karee.bell - 2019-11-20 23:55:00
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