| 1 | I would like to know whether anyone can help out with the marriage of Philip Rail to Bridget Rail in 1877 in New York. Mt start point is the 1900 USA census for those two. From that record Bridget immigrated to USA in 1873. She married Philip Rail in 1877. As at 1990 USA Census she and Philip had 10 children and only three were then alive. Bridget was born in Ireland August 1855. Philip was also born in Ireland, in 1853.
I would like to find out the name of each of Bridget's parents (in Ireland), their family names and where in Ireland they lived.
I have done some searching in Ancestry and FindMyPast but cannot locate a USA Marriage record.
Is anyone able to help me with the details that I seek?
Many thanks for any help. mariner26 - 2019-06-12 14:39:00 |
| 2 | think you mean the 1890 USA Census not 1990 lol crab2 - 2019-06-12 14:53:00 |
| 3 | Just to prepare yourself for searching in Ireland these are the different spellings I have come across so far:
Raile, Raill, Rael, Real, Rayle, Rayel & Rayl There seem to be many in Co Kerry & Co Cork at a brief glance. I am searching for the marriage now. shanreagh - 2019-06-12 15:14:00 |
| 4 | There is this death record from Family search
Name Bridget Rail
Event Type Death
Event Date 26 Jun 1909
Event Place Brooklyn, Kings, New York, United States
Address 799 Hicks Street Ward-12
Residence Place Brooklyn, New York
Gender Female
Age 55
Marital Status Married
Race White
Occupation Housewife
Birth Year (Estimated) 1854
Birthplace Ireland
Burial Date 29 Jun 1909
Burial Place Brooklym, New York
Cemetery Holy Cross
Father's Name James O'Day
Father's Birthplace Ireland
Mother's Name Bridget Brown
Mother's Birthplace Ireland shanreagh - 2019-06-12 15:21:00 |
| 5 | If the death is her's then her maiden name may have been Day, O'Day, Dee. We irish don't like to make things too easy! Edited by shanreagh at 3:28 pm, Wed 12 Jun shanreagh - 2019-06-12 15:27:00 |
| 6 | The US census of 1900 has Bridget Rail as the mother of Michael, Mary and Josephine Rail and the wife of Phelip (sp.). Is this the one you are looking for? Edited by shanreagh at 3:32 pm, Wed 12 Jun shanreagh - 2019-06-12 15:32:00 |
| 7 | Another possibility is O'Shea. shanreagh - 2019-06-12 15:36:00 |
| 8 | From Family Search Other information in the record of Michael F. Rail (who may be the Michael Rail in the census record of 1900)
He was shown as 23 on that record.
from New York, New York City Municipal Deaths
Name Michael F. Rail
Event Type Death
Event Date 15 May 1918
Event Place Brooklyn, Kings, New York, United States
Address 799 Hicks St
Residence Place Brooklyn, New York
Gender Male
Age 39
Marital Status Married
Race White
Birth Year (Estimated) 1879
Birthplace United States
Burial Date 18 May 1918
Burial Place Brooklyn, New York
Cemetery Holy Cross Cem
Father's Name Philip Rail
Father's Birthplace Ireland
Mother's Name Bridget O'Shea
Mother's Birthplace Ireland On the birth records transcribed on Family Search for the birth of a female in 1886 the mother's name is transcribed as Bridget O'xxea. So could be an attempt at O'Shea. Edited by shanreagh at 3:43 pm, Wed 12 Jun shanreagh - 2019-06-12 15:38:00 |
| 9 | A Bridget O'Shea emigrates to the US on the ship Scythia 28/31877 to 13/6/1877 into New York from Liverpool. Her age is given as 19 and her occupation as servant. shanreagh - 2019-06-12 15:49:00 |
| 10 | There are various Shea/O'Shea (with parents as James and Bridget) combinations on this site mainly from Co Kerry. There are twins by the looks born in 1855 named Mary and Fintan. Do you have the names of the children born to Bridget and Philip who died - we have Michael, Mary & Josephine. There may be a tie up to a family called Stretton/Stratton. Edited by shanreagh at 4:04 pm, Wed 12 Jun shanreagh - 2019-06-12 16:03:00 |
| 11 | From FS
O'Dea for mother's maiden name
Rail
New York, New York City Births
Name Rail
Event Type Birth
Event Date 01 Jul 1890
Event Place Brooklyn, Kings, New York, United States
Gender Male
Father's Name Philip Rail
Father's Age 35
Mother's Name Bridget O'Dea
Mother's Age 35 shanreagh - 2019-06-12 16:07:00 |
| 12 | On FS New York State census 1905 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Phillip Real Head Male 50y Ireland
Bridget Real Wife Female 50y Ireland
Micheal Real Son Male 25y United States
Mary Real Daughter Female 23y United States
Josephine Real Daughter Female 18y United States shanreagh - 2019-06-12 16:09:00 |
| 13 | From FS If her (Bridget's) fathers name was James O'Shea or O'Dea then this could be a possibility
James Rail
New York, New York City Municipal Deaths
Name James Rail
Event Type Death
Event Date 13 Jul 1898
Event Place Brooklyn, Kings, New York, United States
Address 707 Henry St., 12
Gender Male
Age 8
Marital Status Single
Race White
Occupation None
Birth Year (Estimated) 1890
Birthplace Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Burial Date 15 Jul 1898
Cemetery Holy Cross
Father's Name Philip Rail
Father's Birthplace Ireland
Mother's Name Bridget Rail
Mother's Birthplace Ireland shanreagh - 2019-06-12 16:13:00 |
| 14 | From FS
US 1910 census Phillip Rail Head M 55 Ireland Engineer at steel works
Josephine Rail Daughter F 24 New York confectioner at candy works
Mary Condon Daughter F 29 New York
Patrick Condon Son-in-law M 33 Ireland Engineer at Sugar Refinery
Josephine Condon Granddaughter F 2 New York
Bessy Condon Granddaughter F 0 New York shanreagh - 2019-06-12 16:39:00 |
| 15 | From FS
Philip Rail
New York, New York City Municipal Deaths
Name Philip Rail
Event Type Death
Event Date 25 Mar 1917
Event Place Brooklyn, Kings, New York, United States
Residence Place Brooklyn, Kings, New York
Gender Male
Age 58
Marital Status Widowed
Race White
Occupation Retired
Birth Year (Estimated) 1859
Birthplace Ireland
Burial Date 29 Mar 1917
Cemetery Holy Cross Cemetery
Father's Name Michael Rail
Father's Birthplace Ireland
Mother's Name Johanna Breen
Mother's Birthplace Ireland shanreagh - 2019-06-12 17:12:00 |
| 16 | Oh Oh - been doing some more research.
Between 1851 and 1880 New York State did not record any marriages. That relates to the 1847 State Law that required marriages be recorded, but that they rarely were. Now I know why there are hardly marriage records in Ancestry and FMP for the year that I focused on - 1877.
Seems I am b..ggered!
Many years ago I had problems getting any civil record for the marriage of my great grandparents (in 1874 - in New York) . I was very lucky that my great grandparents had entered the details of the church at which they were married when they registered on of their first generation NZ children. I got the certificate I wanted from the church.
Don't; fret anymore folks. Thanks for your efforts.
Oh - about the death entry of 1909 for Bridget Rail, I struggle with the information it contains. If the parents entered purport to be my great great grandparents. However, those two (James and Bridget) had children in 1846 (at their then ages of 44 and 35) and 1849 (at their then ages of 47 and 38). By 1855, when Bridget (Rail) was born my g g grandparents were 53 and 44. their first two children were baptised in the local Parish Church. But there is no record of a baptism for Bridget (Rail). The 6 year gap in having another child is unusual for Catholic parents. My G g Gparents lived all their lives in the same village and went to the same church over all that time. Looks to me there are errors in the records that connects Bridget Rail to me. Looks like another case of folk doing their family history research solely via Ancestry and purloining other persons entries for their use.
Am off to Ireland in August so will talk this over with my cousin there - who still lives in the same village as my G g Gparents, and who is an expert in the local history. mariner26 - 2019-06-12 20:08:00 |
| 17 | On the 1892 New York state census on FS we have
Philip Rayl 40 born Ireland Engineer
Bridget Rayl 37 born Ireland
Michael 14
Mary 12
Bessie 9
Joseph 7
Ella 3
James 2 Interestingly the children are all marked as being born in Ireland and therefore noted as being 'Alien.'
If this is correct then the family must have come to the US between 1890 &1892. shanreagh - 2019-06-12 20:28:00 |
| 18 | Thanks for the advice. I am not sure where you have got the details about dates for Bridget Brown O'Shea/Shea/O'Day and James O'Shea/Shea/O'Day. Plus their children. Are they from this site?
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ I would prefer this site over records from Ancestry. Also the ages for the births of children are not totally unknown. My Mother was born to parents who were 44 & 56. Happy to help.....was just getting into it! shanreagh - 2019-06-12 20:43:00 |
| 19 | have you tried newspaper's for a marriage notice crab2 - 2019-06-12 20:51:00 |
| 20 | shanreagh wrote:
There is this death record from Family search
Name Bridget Rail
Address 799 Hicks Street Ward-12
Michael F Rail died 1918 at 799 Hicks Street. Son of Philip and Bridget O'Dea Rail.
Source:
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pdf&openFirstHlPage=false Very hard to read but the OCR search has it as 799 Hicks Street. Edited by stock at 3:10 pm, Sat 15 Jun stock - 2019-06-15 15:08:00 |
