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Evening all, I am trying to find details of an Edward Moore Wheeler dob 1916? He died 1917 and was buried 30.8.1917 in Nelson, I can see his death on BDM but no birth details. I have tried Papers Past etc but he is alluding me. I have found a photo of his burial plot, unnamed in Nelson Cemetery, Any extra eyes on this one would be appreciated, especially parents.
Thanks

rover48 - 2019-03-18 22:49:00
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Couldn't see a brth either.
A Stone was the Funeral Director who carried out the service. They still operate in Nelson as Stone and Shirley and they may be able to help.

Shone & Shirley
PH 03 546 5700 24 Hours
Email: funerals@shoneandshirley.com
164 Tahunanui Road, Tahunanui, Nelson, New Zealand 70114
https://www.shoneandshirley.com/

h28skipper - 2019-03-18 23:58:00
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I wonder if the child might be related to this Nelson-born Percy Moore Wheeler, who was only 44 when he died in Feb 1916? https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TC19160216.2.59

ed65 - 2019-03-19 06:49:00
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The cemetery records state age at death of 1 year and 10 months, so born 1915.

koru67 - 2019-03-19 07:23:00
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have you checked birth microfiche?

crab2 - 2019-03-19 08:35:00
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ed65 wrote:

I wonder if the child might be related to this Nelson-born Percy Moore Wheeler, who was only 44 when he died in Feb 1916? https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TC19160216.2.59

If it turns out they're related, Percy Moore Wheeler's death notice names his widow as Ada. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/DOM19160120.2.2
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The 1914 electoral roll has Percy Moore Wheeler and Ada Mary Wheeler living at 23 Roy St in Newtown, Wellington. Percy was a clerk.

OP, on the premise that Percy and Ada might (might!) be the parents of your Edward Moore Wheeler, perhaps Ada and her baby son Edward were visiting her late husband's family in Nelson when Edward passed away?

Papers Past shows Percy and Ada's eldest son was named James Edward Ames Wheeler, and he got engaged in 1941. James was born in 1903, but NZBDM shows he had younger siblings Percy Ronald (b.1904), Arthur George (b.1906) and Jack (b.1911). Edward Moore Wheeler would've been born before Percy Moore Wheeler died.

This mention of Percy's death in the Evening Post tells us that Ada's maiden name was Ames, but I can't find a marriage for the couple on NZBDM https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19160128.2.87

Edit: Just wanted to add that if Edward Moore Wheeler does turn out to be the grandson of Capt. Wheeler from Nelson, there's a lovely photo of Capt. Wheeler in the Nelson Museum's photographic collection https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/81649 There are several other Wheeler photos - possibly one is of Capt. Wheeler's youngest son Percy Moore Wheeler?

Edited by ed65 at 9:49 am, Tue 19 Mar

ed65 - 2019-03-19 09:37:00
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Karori Cemetery Headstones - Wellington

Area/Block/Row/Plot
08/G/16/016
Description
ILMO Percy Moore WHEELER d 17 Jan 1916. Arthur
George WHEELER d 11 Mar 1920.

crab2 - 2019-03-19 11:41:00
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ed65 wrote:

If it turns out they're related, Percy Moore Wheeler's death notice names his widow as Ada. https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/DOM19160120.2.2
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The 1914 electoral roll has Percy Moore Wheeler and Ada Mary Wheeler living at 23 Roy St in Newtown, Wellington. Percy was a clerk.

OP, on the premise that Percy and Ada might (might!) be the parents of your Edward Moore Wheeler, perhaps Ada and her baby son Edward were visiting her late husband's family in Nelson when Edward passed away?

Papers Past shows Percy and Ada's eldest son was named James Edward Ames Wheeler, and he got engaged in 1941. James was born in 1903, but NZBDM shows he had younger siblings Percy Ronald (b.1904), Arthur George (b.1906) and Jack (b.1911). Edward Moore Wheeler would've been born before Percy Moore Wheeler died.

This mention of Percy's death in the Evening Post tells us that Ada's maiden name was Ames, but I can't find a marriage for the couple on NZBDM https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19160128.2.87

Edit: Just wanted to add that if Edward Moore Wheeler does turn out to be the grandson of Capt. Wheeler from Nelson, there's a lovely photo of Capt. Wheeler in the Nelson Museum's photographic collection https://collection.nelsonmuseum.co.nz/objects/81649 There are several other Wheeler photos - possibly one is of Capt. Wheeler's youngest son Percy Moore Wheeler?

maybe they married overseas

crab2 - 2019-03-19 11:44:00
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Electoral Roll (1893) - Women

Name
AMES Ada Mary
Electorate
City of Wellington
Number
163
Residence
Pipitea Street
Occupation
Spinster
Year
1893

crab2 - 2019-03-19 11:45:00
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the marriage is in Australia

Name: Percy M Wheeler
Spouse Name: Asa M Ames
Marriage Date: 1901
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Sydney, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1901
Registration Number: 8451

crab2 - 2019-03-19 11:57:00
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I suspect that, if the baby was sickly, parents didn't register the birth promptly then overlooked it. Have found a few instances where this seems the most plausible reason.

amasser - 2019-03-19 12:05:00
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Percy Moore born NZ
1871/24787 Wheeler Percy Moore Mary Ann Edward

Married in Sydney. First name mis-transcribed
Name: Percy M Wheeler
Spouse Name: Asa M Ames
Marriage Date: 1901
Marriage Place: New South Wales
Registration Place: Sydney, New South Wales
Registration Year: 1901
Registration Number: 8451

But on NSW BDM its correct
Marriage
8451/1901 WHEELER PERCY M / AMES ADA M SYDNEY

h28skipper - 2019-03-19 12:12:00
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Ah snap crab2. Just noticed you had posted marriage

h28skipper - 2019-03-19 12:13:00
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Percy Moore Wheeler was a Purser and made many, many trips backwards and forwards on various ships between Australia and NZ
21 Nov 1892 and 11 Dec 1901
I see they are listed on Familysearch

h28skipper - 2019-03-19 12:54:00
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h28skipper wrote:

Ah snap crab2. Just noticed you had posted marriage

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crab2 - 2019-03-19 13:06:00
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rover48 wrote:

He died 1917 and was buried 30.8.1917 in Nelson


BDM range of dates reduces to a death date of 31/8/1917.

stock - 2019-03-19 20:58:00
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http://www.nelson.govt.nz/services/facilities/cemeteries/cem
eteries-search/

Record ID WKNP06005
Surname WHEELER
First names EDWARD MOORE
Age 22 months
Date of interment 31/08/1917
Gender Male
Cemetery Wakapuaka
Block 06
Plot type Burial
Type Of Grave Interment
Plot number 005
Area NEW PRESBYTERIAN
Denomination PRESBYTERIAN
Funeral director A SHONE & CO.
That record places the birth around October - November 1915. But still can't locate a birth record.

Edited by stock at 9:09 pm, Tue 19 Mar

stock - 2019-03-19 21:07:00
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Well done all you eagle eyes, thanks so much for all that info, very helpful.
Cheers
Jan

rover48 - 2019-04-04 22:56:00
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