Hi,I have been trying to find any info on my Grandads sister,her name is Ethel Jane Phelan,known as Queenie.She married Jack Matthews,they had a son.Any info on both sides of the family would be great Many thanks to you all.Have a good day,Maureen.

moetus - 2019-03-08 16:19:00

Once again please give us a clue on where they would come from and approximate period. Bit hard if they are from Mozambique or Chad.

nbrob - 2019-03-08 16:27:00

Ethel died in 1966 aged 88 and is buried in the Karori Cemetery, there is a probate for her, not sure if it is digitised on Family Search

Jack is actually John Ludeman Matthews and he died 1961

Edited by crab2 at 4:32 pm, Fri 8 Mar

crab2 - 2019-03-08 16:30:00

Son
His birth
1909/15652 Matthews Cecil Charles Ethel Jane John Ludeman

His marriage
1933/4330 Grace Ward Cecil Charles Matthews

His death
1986/28678 Matthews Cecil Charles 4 January 1909

Edited by nbrob at 4:52 pm, Fri 8 Mar

nbrob - 2019-03-08 16:49:00

Hi, Thank you crab2&nbrob,These people are my family,can you see whether Grace Ward &Cecil Charles Matthews had children at all.Maureen

moetus - 2019-03-08 17:03:00

Can't find a probate for Cecil but there is one for a Grace Mathews in Rotorua.

https://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=235562
35

May or maybe not be her.

nbrob - 2019-03-08 17:25:00

John Ludeman's will mentions wife Ethel Jane. Son Cecil Charles, of Day's Bay, Outfitter, was executor.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSWQ-VSQD-G
?i=814&cc=1865481

h28skipper - 2019-03-08 22:24:00

1911 E/R at 39 Eskvale Street, St. Kilda , draper & married.
Is James Ludeman Matthews related? Google for references.

amasser - 2019-03-09 12:28:00

Hi,Not sure if James is related or not ,maybe he is to john.Am trying to find now if Cecil Charles and Grace ward had any children at all.Thank you

moetus - 2019-03-09 12:45:00

I would suggest asking if anyone is going to the archives that the probate for Grace is and see if they can take some photo's for you, it should have children's names in it if they had any

crab2 - 2019-03-09 12:51:00

Didn't see any children living with them
1935 Hutt Wellington
Matthews Cecil Charles (mercer) & Grace (married) 15 Burnside St Lower Hutt
1938 & 1946 same details
Matthews Cecil Charles (outfitter) & Grace (married) 8 Korimako Rd Days Bay
1949, 1954, 1963 same details
1969 Buller West Coast
Matthews Cecil Charles (retired) & Grace (married)111 Trewavas St Motueka
1972, 1978, 1981 same details Tasman (Buller became Tasman)

WW11 Appointments, Promotions etc
NZ Artillery
Promoted to 2nd Lieutenamt (temp)7 January 1942

Can't see him on Cenotaph

Name: Cecil Charles Matthews
Death Date:22 Jan 1986
Burial Place: Marlborough, Nelson, New Zealand

Cemetery:
Record ID O_8111
Surname MATTHEWS
First names CECIL CHARLES
Age 77 years
Date of death 18/01/1986
Gender Male
Cremation no O 8111
Plot type Ashes
Type Of Grave Cremation
Funeral director P. DAY & SONS

Probably the one mentioned by nrob post # 6
1995/51168 Matthews Grace 23 August 1912
Birth
1912/9253 Ward Grace Jane Elizabeth Charles John

h28skipper - 2019-03-09 13:25:00

Thanks to you all Maureen.

moetus - 2019-03-09 20:36:00

crab2 wrote:

Ethel died in 1966 aged 88 and is buried in the Karori Cemetery, there is a probate for her, not sure if it is digitised on Family Search

1966 probate Ethel Jane Matthews
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSCQ-47VD?i
=457&cc=1865481
Trustee is son Cecil Charles Matthews of Days Bay.

stock - 2019-03-30 22:33:00