Mary Roberts married Thomas Joyce in 1846
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| 1 | As his second wife. He was 50 and she was 32. I am looking to find out if Mary had also been married beforehand, having children to that marriage. Several locations suggested - Bedford being the most likely. Thomas Joyce was b/bp in 1795 Wilmington, Bedford, and died 1881. He was the son of Thomas (Joyce)1761) and Elizabeth Rose (1765). Also looking to find out the name of a brother-in-law called Roberts who was master of a ship 'Indemnity' 1843 to Australia and then NewZealand in 1843/44. He was in partnership with the Joyce family. I am not sure which Thomas Joyce was his brother-in-law. I am looking to find a death date for him too. He could be Mary's first husband?????? Or her brother/father/cousin. In New Zealand the Indemnity was declared unseaworthy and prevented from sailing back to Britain. The owner refused to authorise repairs, so Roberts took matters in his own hands and sold the ship, it was repaired, and off he went home with it to be faced with a denial that the owner had authorised the sale and was claiming the ship and her cargo. Roberts lost the case. I wonder if he gave in or if he sailed off with the ship??? The court case is recorded in great detail, but not the aftermath. At some stage the Joyce partnership owned that ship amongst several others, including 'London' and its master as well. My main interest is in Mary (Roberts) Joyce b1814 in England. Edited by blackhalls at 10:23 pm, Mon 25 Feb blackhalls - 2019-02-25 22:21:00 |
| 2 | Did Thomas Joyce and Mary have children - if so when and where? 4pc - 2019-02-25 22:41:00 |
| 3 | There is a huge tree on ancestry called the Karen Hazelden Family Owner Karen Richards = Thomas Joyce is referred to a Stephen Thomas Joyce. Might be worth contacting her. It is a large family. elaine231 - 2019-02-26 08:15:00 |
| 4 | What an interesting story regarding the Indemnity. I've been searching on Ancestry too and think your best bet would be to buy the Roberts/Joyce marriage certificate. That should tell you if Mary was a spinster or if she had any former names. daisy86 - 2019-02-26 13:16:00 |
| 5 | daisy86 wrote:
I have not figured out how to find that certificate. Must learn. blackhalls - 2019-02-26 18:13:00 |
| 6 | elaine231 wrote:
Sounds good. A Stepen Thomas was referred to. I don't have a lot of information, and some seems scrambled, eg both Thomas Sr and Stephen were claimed to have married Jemima. Suppose it is possible. I have not been able to access trees on Ancestry, not wanting to join numerous sites these days. Financial reasons. blackhalls - 2019-02-26 18:17:00 |
| 7 | 4pc wrote:
Just got a scrap of paper:- First wife - Jemima Joyce Nicholls, born Middlesex, m 1825 at 29 blackhalls - 2019-02-26 18:28:00 |
| 8 | I have two more names and I am not sure where they fit:- They were the two youngest of five sons amongst these names:- Must be two more sons before 1819??? I 'm just starting on this, gathering bits and pieces, and I don't see yet how the dates and families fit together. Hope someone else can. Have left the Joyces for a bit as am searching for the Roberts family/families involved. blackhalls - 2019-02-26 18:48:00 |
| 9 | blackhalls wrote:
Oh easy peasy lemon squeezy! First you need the marriage reference details from here: https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl?start=1846&end= Then to the Where you will need to create an account. Then you can order your certificate for £7 and they will email you a pdf in about a weeks time. Edited by daisy86 at 8:26 pm, Tue 26 Feb daisy86 - 2019-02-26 20:25:00 |
| 10 | St Martins is in Westminster, so the parish record is at FindMyPast. Many libraries have FindMyPast. Joyce Stephen — — 1846 Westminster Marriages St Martin-In-The-Fields, Middlesex, England 4pc - 2019-02-26 23:04:00 |
| 11 | blackhalls wrote:
These births on the GRO index could be their children. If so it looks like Mary's maiden name was Roberts, so she wasn't a widow. JOYCE, MARY ROBERTS JOYCE, JOSEPH ROBERTS 4pc - 2019-02-26 23:09:00 |
| 12 | 4pc I find it hard to give up on long-shots. blackhalls - 2019-02-26 23:24:00 |
| 13 | You could try to find them on the England 1851 census, which is free at FamilySearch. https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/L2MP-V7S Edited by 4pc at 11:56 pm, Tue 26 Feb 4pc - 2019-02-26 23:54:00 |
| 14 | daisy86 wrote:
Thank you. Had some trouble with the links you provided. Told me it was an old link and then that it was not available. Finally found that I had an ancient membership. After finding that my password had become my username, all was good. It looks as if the Stephen found here was probably known by a second name, because he fits the one known as Thomas by the family who supplied the information to me. I found a marriage presumably of his son Stephen Thomas Joyce to Elizabeth Prince in 1848. I have been looking at the family of two pioneers to Australia, Alfred and George Joyce who settled Norwood and Plaistow Stations. They are described as the fourth and fifth sons of Thomas and Elizabeth Joyce and I found all of the sons (plus daughters) I wanted the James to be born much later. Damn. Back to the drawing board. But I will now look to see who the daughters married. Thanks for your help blackhalls - 2019-03-01 19:29:00 |
| 15 | As I explained in Post #10, the parish register image from FindMypast will have all the information about the marriage. The minister provided this information to the GRO so there's a chance that transcriptions errors can occur. Your original question in your first post was that you were trying to find out whether Mary had been married before. I don't have a FMP sub, so I can't give you this on a plate. And you're welcome. 4pc - 2019-03-01 20:46:00 |
| 16 | 8 Nov 1846 give me a few minutes and I will see about uploading the copy of the original so you can grab it. This should do it Edited by morticia at 9:51 pm, Fri 1 Mar morticia - 2019-03-01 21:45:00 |
