STAMP CLUB
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| 4901 | donaldo wrote:
Aha .. thanks for the heads up Out of interest, the 1d Claret CHCH Exhib copies discussed earlier on here appears to have found a happy home ;-) Edited by tmg at 10:18 pm, Fri 19 Apr tmg - 2013-04-19 22:14:00 |
| 4902 | rebel58 wrote: twg1935 - 2013-04-20 00:12:00 |
| 4903 | twg1935 wrote:
The Christchurch stamp fair went very well indeed with lots of people turning up before opening time and standholders busy right to the end at midday. Mind you the wet weather certainly helped with lots of new faces in attendance. I know that I made some good sales and never got the chance to have a coffee break. kiwisteven - 2013-04-20 18:29:00 |
| 4904 | kiwisteven wrote: twg1935 - 2013-04-21 00:09:00 |
| 4905 | See Trademe Sale No 568870276 - Oi Pops [donaldo], tmg ..... - I see that 3 x 1906 Christchurch 1d Claret 'forgeries' were sold going by feedbacks I've sighted, has anyone else picked this up? 2 copies sold to 1 buyer who probably hasn't realised she has purchased duds, and 1 to another who states 'he is filing papers in Court...'. Wonder why seller hasn't put feedback for the buyer who nicely placed two feedbacks [see buyers feedbacks] on the 2 Claret purchases? This is a big concern for legitimate Stamp Traders and why I questioned the seller! loision - 2013-04-21 00:48:00 |
| 4906 | Also See Listing #: 584125002, Question I've asked the seller "Is this the same Plate Block you purchased off another Stamp Dealer Trademe number 575697705 for $7.55?". loision - 2013-04-21 00:53:00 |
| 4907 | This message was deleted. gouldie5 - 2013-04-21 10:31:00 |
| 4908 | Is it worth it ? lester36 - 2013-04-21 15:15:00 |
| 4909 | loision wrote:
aha yes .. one lot must have been offered out to sell as well as being sold to a bidder. was there another separate one ? Just as well the old P&T Postal Section in 1906 didn't have a colour photocopier, otherwise everyone would have a Claret or two now .. ;-) Edited by tmg at 9:27 pm, Sun 21 Apr tmg - 2013-04-21 21:22:00 |
| 4910 | Yes this Trader offered out to watchers, and the original purchaser took another copy by the looks of her feedback which carry the same number as the original win purchase. The other buyer, who apparently is making a complaint so it looks as if 3 copies at least have been sold. I wonder if there are any more buyers who have not had feedback placed by the sller, so are untraceable for our end but TM would have that information. Hope that the second buyer, who said he was filing with the Courts will see this through - even if it is the Small Claim Court which I think only costs $50, otherwise a visit to a Police Station to lay a formal complaint would be more advisable as well as free. My questions have been ignored for obvious reasons, but it is good to see other Philatelists taking this Trader to task, although he seems to have all the answers - even though they are quite ridiculous responses. loision - 2013-04-22 13:05:00 |
| 4911 | lester36 wrote:
When the Cartel does not know the answer, it makes up one that sounds damn good! echoriath - 2013-04-22 13:32:00 |
| 4912 | The original bidder on the 1d Claret from response received back does not appear to be happy either tmg - 2013-04-22 13:35:00 |
| 4913 | Responses to some Q&A questions really do not make all that inspiring reading for potential buyers of these flaws lots - infact some are downright insulting to the Question Asker to the point that the seller is making themselves look a complete ignorant dimwit aside from some fairly poor spelling & lack of substantive meaningful detail that seems to be a characteristic of the bundle of listings ;-) Wonder how long Trade Me will tolerate that seller's nonsense on a large 93 points of the graph, before dispatching them off ? ;-) Edited by tmg at 1:45 pm, Mon 22 Apr tmg - 2013-04-22 13:39:00 |
| 4914 | Good on you TMG for asking questions - at least you got a response pretty immediately. I'm still waiting for a response to the two questions I placed, but at least when those Auctions end, all watchers will see the comments, especially the two whom have already purchased the Clarets, and perhaps collectively our comments will see that Trademe does take action! The Trader that has purchased two Clarets has had a number of dealings with legitimate and authentic Philatelists who will have her contact details, and hopefully they will bring this matter to attention. Yes the Seller seems to have regular idiotic responses, though I can't believe that some Philatelists are being caught up in buying such amateur made forgeries or overpriced / non-existant varieties. loision - 2013-04-22 15:07:00 |
| 4915 | What is this fellows trade name please. who is selling said forgeries. caf1 - 2013-04-23 08:02:00 |
| 4916 | caf1 wrote: rebel58 - 2013-04-23 08:40:00 |
| 4917 | Thank goodness you have come online, please see comments on the past few pages as there has been an earlier comment by a very astute alert Philatelist who first enquired about this on page 97-8 - perhaps if you have purchased two of the Claret 1d's and you are aware now that they are forgeries / facimilies and you are not happy I suggest you contact Trademe directly for advice, however if you are happy your purchases then that is your decision. This site seems to be a good avenue for very caring Philatelists to lay down their opinions, and I see the majority of comments are very sound advice. loision - 2013-04-23 11:14:00 |
| 4918 | Caf1 - yes comment on page 97, here is the comment from the astute Philatelist who asked collectors about their view on the Claret you purchased - I hope they don't mind me copying their question here, but they are bullseye right on the target with their view ... 1906 Christchurch 1d Claret. Interested in your comments on this 'stamp'. This guy seems to have a knack of coming up with 'rare items'; most of which look extremely dubious. Edited by phil.s at 1:28 pm, Sun 10 Mar Quote phil.s (528 ) 1:26 pm, Sun 10 Mar #4839 loision - 2013-04-23 12:09:00 |
| 4919 | I don't mind. Edited by phil.s at 12:25 pm, Tue 23 Apr phil.s - 2013-04-23 12:24:00 |
| 4920 | Great thanks phil.s, brilliant and I do hope that Caf1 does take action asap loision - 2013-04-23 14:26:00 |
| 4921 | For those with interest in what the seller is trying on -- the seller is apparently a 23 Y/o Carterton raised / Masterton man. Previous & current listings suggest some access to even specialised volumes & reference catalogues, so not knowing what he is listing seems like an a likely excuse, if anyone is handed it .. To think that this seller had no idea or thought to pursuing whether the 1d Clarets were genuine / their scarcity or to look / ask further etc etc is unthinkable or was it deliberate ? ;-) Edited by tmg at 3:06 pm, Tue 23 Apr tmg - 2013-04-23 15:00:00 |
| 4922 | Thanks tmg for the great detective work, this trader knows exactly what he is doing, but trying to justify and put in his head that he has the fair dinkim varieties that he sees listed in CP catalogues or alike. The three 1d Clarets sold and the 1906 Christchurch Exhibition Set he has for sale at present, are a big concern, trader probably used a sewing machine to perf these - that or scissors! The NZSDA [New Zealand Stamp Dealers Association] should be the organisation that Trademe can engage with to get an independant qualified view if they don't want to take any notice of us. Many Philatelists on this forum know what they are talking about, but at least that organisation can verify and be more proactive in stopping this form of trading, it does nothing but muddy the reputation of Philately. This seller needs a good talking to, and to do the right thing and refund monies to those that have purchased - thinking the items was something of worth. But at the end of the day, the buyers of the 1d Claret facimilies also need to learn a lesson, and stand up for their rights, and to not rely on others to do the complaining. phil.s and yourself that have bought this to attention have been extremely helpful and gone over and beyond in warning others and providing sound advice. loision - 2013-04-23 15:23:00 |
| 4923 | Hi Lois, NZSDA lodged a complaint with Trade Me on 21 April. Earle dickydirt - 2013-04-23 18:36:00 |
| 4924 | Oh thanks Earle hope all is well, good news as it needs that sort of medium to sort this situation out. I better join up with the organisation myself!!! Long overdue. loision - 2013-04-23 20:26:00 |
| 4925 | A good idea Lois! dickydirt - 2013-04-25 05:25:00 |
| 4926 | the remaining dodgy 1906 CHCH Exhibition prints/photocopies listing seems to have now disappeared Edited by tmg at 1:22 pm, Thu 25 Apr tmg - 2013-04-25 13:21:00 |
| 4927 | Have just been offered the dodgy block of stamps for $900 . lester36 - 2013-04-25 13:26:00 |
| 4928 | lester36 wrote:
I was going to accept but I'll defer to you! chrisr5 - 2013-04-25 13:34:00 |
| 4929 | Here is another listing for an extremely rare 1882 stamp "586467246" teddybearlover - 2013-04-25 17:00:00 |
| 4930 | teddybearlover wrote: twg1935 - 2013-04-25 18:10:00 |
| 4931 | Check out this sold listing - 577595880 rgbh25703 - 2013-04-25 22:00:00 |
| 4932 | lolol G/F sister or some other relly mite live just down the road - 'she's great' ;-) tmg - 2013-04-26 00:47:00 |
| 4933 | there's obviously a huge shortage in 1d Admiral Officials in some places for a few to reach an opening ask of 30x LJ's 2013 cat val within months of it being printed - suitable catalogues must also be equally as rare in the same places.. ;-) Edited by tmg at 12:53 am, Fri 26 Apr tmg - 2013-04-26 00:50:00 |
| 4934 | Any ideas of the real value of these tings ? 586949399 586951616 1k Asking ?????? 586951977 1k Asking ?????? or maybe a case of find an old stamp will list & hope ? ;-) tmg - 2013-04-26 17:15:00 |
| 4935 | This message was deleted. donaldo - 2013-04-26 20:31:00 |
| 4936 | The member deleted this message. muzz8 - 2013-04-27 07:57:00 |
| 4937 | This message was deleted. donaldo - 2013-04-27 11:55:00 |
| 4938 | That well may well be the case Muzz, but there is indeed a fine line between harnessing the collective knowledge of those who have years and years of experience, may have encountered similar items, discussing matters, asking questions or what have you . The boards here are a far better place for all for uncovering possible dubious doubtful or genuine items, whether deliberate, open to contention or intentionally fired on here as deceptive for whatever reason, and that accumulated knowledge. The discussion is valuable to most reading. We wouldn't have a thread here or much of it, but for that enquiry element & others seeking knowledge of these things. Sellers have obligation to list as fully & completely as possible - in cases that hasn't occurred or there is admission that they havent done their homework - (on ocassions excusable) and the result is at times ridiculous asks and in worst case scenario genuine collectors get taken in as we have seen occur.. The community sees benefit from such threads especially where some vendors continue the same habits repeatedly - as undoubtedly Stampboards forum elsewhere has content on dubious items uncovered on another large auction site. Edited by tmg at 1:14 pm, Sat 27 Apr tmg - 2013-04-27 13:08:00 |
| 4939 | Hi all.. 1990 Australian Stamp.. $20:00 Can't find it in an online catalogue.. Approx value.. Also have $5:00 and $10:00 Aussie stamps. . Cheers.. spike_01 - 2013-04-27 16:48:00 |
| 4940 | Try here - http://sevenseas.com.au/catalog/?id=28 paulmc - 2013-04-27 17:11:00 |
| 4941 | paulmc wrote:
Cheers.. Pity they don't have pics as well.. spike_01 - 2013-04-27 18:16:00 |
| 4942 | tmg wrote: 586949399 = Ukraine 1920, prepared but never put into use. Set of 14 = $3 (Scott 2008) 586951616 = German occupation 1903, for use in Prussia. Scott OL8 value 35c 586951977 = Greece 1896, Scott 118, value 50c All values as at 2008 pricing. carzx - 2013-04-27 22:15:00 |
| 4943 | This message was deleted. donaldo - 2013-04-27 22:43:00 |
| 4944 | It is a fine line, muzz, between discussing credibility of items or sellers generally, and specific items and sellers. Of course, when certain sellers repeatedly push the bounds of credibility, it is injurious to everyone in any area of collecting, as it reflects badly on all involved, be it collectors of stamps, coins, china or naked-lady playing cards. It's also frustrating when said sellers are not sorted out by TM despite repeated complaints, whether from TM member or when they are being chased down by Campbell Live or Far Go, or when those sellers go through multiple trader names to keep their game running. It is possible to stay on the right side of TMMB's lines by mentioning enough details to identify a given auction without naming the seller, though there's a certain amount of game playing involved there. I'm not into witch hunts in any way, shape or form, but if/when TM refuse to provide oversight for traders who are clearly rogue, we have little recourse really. echoriath - 2013-04-27 22:56:00 |
| 4945 | The member deleted this message. muzz8 - 2013-04-28 08:49:00 |
| 4946 | This message was deleted. gouldie5 - 2013-04-28 10:56:00 |
| 4947 | The member deleted this message. muzz8 - 2013-04-28 11:21:00 |
| 4948 | T&C Clause 4.2 "b.You will only enter listings that are accurate, current, complete" This places onus on the seller to have researched the item to the best of their knowledge before listing -- putting items on here with funny money asks without research, when seller is or should be aware there may be recognised publications about or without due enquiry in light of items they represent to be rare may well be construed to infringe this policy ;-) Listing Policies: "You must also abide by the following listing policies: •Items must be accurately represented and listings must be placed in the most appropriate category." Edited by tmg at 2:12 pm, Sun 28 Apr tmg - 2013-04-28 14:07:00 |
| 4949 | The member deleted this message. muzz8 - 2013-04-28 14:54:00 |
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