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donaldo - 2012-12-21 20:05:00

tmg wrote:

Post ugly printed labels or internet issued barcoded slips to stick onto sendings in time dont you mean ? ;-)
With an encoded strip there will then be absolutely no excuse for anything geting lost or misplaced, since post should be able to track everything 100% ;-)

Yes the unconventional ugly googlywugs and yes, the post woulsd be found even in a dumpster.which may be rare, more likely pirated. S o destination arrival may not be 100% but delivery is really quite oustanding considering other places on this planet.

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muzz8 - 2012-12-23 08:27:00

donaldo
yes and you guys with your bar codes are not helping stamp collecting--what we want is more use of stamps and less label use --otherwise this thread will be pointless as their will be no collectors--

Anyone collecting labels could then start a 'Postal Label Club' but then anyone collecting these must have destinctive guidelines as to what is a postage stamp and what is a postal label, .a categorising quagmire is still
prevalent.
Cals in my opinion are not postage stamps and should be thus collected as Labels.

Or-
Leave the future of Labels to the new Postal Label collectors and I for one wish them good luck.

The lure of rare CALs etc may just be the threshold to some fantastic colections, which I have already seen but alas, I am a postage stamp man.

philafarinz - 2012-12-23 10:37:00

muzz8 wrote:

donaldo wrote:

ye-
s and you guys with your bar codes are not helping stamp collecting--what we want is more use of stamps and less label use --otherwise this thread will be pointless as their will be no collectors---
contact nz post and 'force' them to use stamps as much as possible--already i have clarified in the last week that no CALS or ROSS DEPENDENCY or ALTERNATIVE MAIL ---except NZ MAIL and FASTWAY[BOTH OF WHO PRODUCE SPECIFIC VALUES FOR OVERSEAS AIRMAIL] CAN BE USED FOR POSTING ARTICLES OVERSEAS[/quote

UNIVERSAL MAIL are the overseas postcard specialists,not NZM (they are sister companies)
Last week i checked with NZ POST about placing ROSS dependancy on antarctic items I am selling on other site- there responce was that the Dependancy stamps were for use of people stationed at Scott base on their outward bound mail (thru CHCH Ross dependency agency), but could be used on other international mail posted thru this centre
STEVE (Shades)- could you clarify this process please

In practice you can post mail using Ross stamps at Real Aotearoa in Christchurch and there is no problem. Same postal rates as New Zealand. you can't mix NZ and Ross. However the outlet and hence Ross will be closed until 7th January for Holidays so keep that in mind.

kiwisteven - 2012-12-23 23:57:00

All Cals issued by New Zealand post are in theory not valid for overseas posting but I know of no instance where they have not been accepted and I have used them many times myself without problems.

kiwisteven - 2012-12-24 00:08:00

donaldo wrote:

well my point is --was there ever a genuine original--i too have asked the seller to prove that it is the original but he wont answer --and why should he really

Hillary was in the Antarctic all the time and the letter contains information that proves it was written while the expedition members were there. but it is also plainly printed and this wasn't done in the antarctic. i'd suggest that a single message was sent north probably by phone or possibly telegram or perhaps by letter and then this text was used to create a master to print off many hundreds and possibly thousands of copies all of which have a printed signature of Hillary which probably would have come from any one of the many documents he would have signed. So its a genuine item with printed message and printed signature and certainly not unique, nor scarce. interesting certainly but sadly some people take advantage of this situation and profess to not being able to tell a genuine signature from a obviously printed one. Shame on the seller.

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donaldo - 2012-12-24 21:42:00

Hi all good Stamp Club Members and seasons greetings to all. Do any of you have any "RUNCIMAN" postmarks that are o longer required in your collection?
Being one of Captain James Runciman's decendants I am trying to put a small study of the Runciman postmark together, the aim is to get a nice postmark for every year of the Post Office being open :)
Cheers all.......................

rolyrj - 2012-12-26 08:40:00

No Runciman postmark in my stock sorry. I did take a look just in case. good luck with your search.

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donaldo - 2012-12-26 22:18:00

kiwisteven wrote:

No Runciman postmark in my stock sorry. I did take a look just in case. good luck with your search.

donaldo wrote:

none here either--that i can find!!

Thanks for looking guys. It intrigues me just how elusive this postmark is for an Office that opened in 1908 and closed in 1965. One would have thought there would be heaps of them around............... just my luck, sighhhhh..
Cheers

rolyrj - 2012-12-27 01:23:00

rolyrj wrote:

Thanks for looking guys. It intrigues me just how elusive this postmark is for an Office that opened in 1908 and closed in 1965. One would have thought there would be heaps of them around............... just my luck, sighhhhh..
Cheers

Probably just not too many people there wrote and posted mail there. some suburban post offices had their mail cleared and postmarked at a nearby larger office. Some offices also were mainly paying out social welfare payments, doing POSB transactions etc. Offices with a large immigrant populations may see most of their letters going overseas. Some populations don't write many letters and if they do then their envelopes may not get kept. It may also be that the postal staff there did such a bad job that nobody can read their postmarking. Good luck with your hunting.

kiwisteven - 2012-12-27 23:01:00

Who does catalouges of non-NZ POst stamp issues e.g. Foriegn Affairs stamps used for their postage or the alternative post brands?

bca - 2012-12-28 21:00:00

I have stamps which were my fathers, a lot are very old. Can someone please tell me how I can get them valued. I have heard that when you send them away for valuation some valuers keep some, though I wouldn't have thought this to be true.
I also ave First Day Covers some around 50 years ok'd.

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ellenitter - 2012-12-28 22:05:00

ellenitter wrote:

I have stamps which were my fathers, a lot are very old. Can someone please tell me how I can get them valued. I have heard that when you send them away for valuation some valuers keep some, though I wouldn't have thought this to be true.
I also ave First Day Covers some around 50 years ok'd.

Hi Lynn, I do a lot of valuations and don't charge for a verbal appraisal. I am happy to do this while you wait and watch. If you want a written valuation then i charge. I'm based in Christchurch and have been a full time dealer/valuer for over 30 years. I'm not allowed by Trademe rules to give my contact details here but most Timaru collectors will be able to tell you who I am and how to contact me. regards

kiwisteven - 2012-12-29 09:33:00

bca wrote:

Who does catalouges of non-NZ POst stamp issues e.g. Foriegn Affairs stamps used for their postage or the alternative post brands?

There aren't any printed catalogues listing alternative co stamps but there are one or two on line listings which are very helpful. I know that the central districts Philatelic trust library in Palmerston North has several manuscripts about them in their library. The foreign Affairs stamps are quite rare. The only listing of them I've seen is in the handbooks issued by the royal philatelic society of New Zealand.

kiwisteven - 2012-12-29 09:45:00

I have found an unusual stamp while sorting a huge box full to get a few for the grandkids.
It is the series when decimal currency came in.the one penny karaka branch and flowers which became the 1c with same picture.
The fault is in the colours where brown is absent so the background is taupe, the berrries yellow instead of orange.Still on paper of envelope with light post mark.
Do you think a collector will want it and how do i go about setting a starting price in an auction if i list it? Any guidance much appreciated.

jayelcee - 2012-12-29 12:39:00

Have taken a pic.Hope this works.
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/247567688.jpg

jayelcee - 2012-12-29 12:45:00

kiwisteven wrote:

There aren't any printed catalogues listing alternative co stamps but there are one or two on line listings which are very helpful. I know that the central districts Philatelic trust library in Palmerston North has several manuscripts about them in their library. The foreign Affairs stamps are quite rare. The only listing of them I've seen is in the handbooks issued by the royal philatelic society of New Zealand.

They were listed in the Kiwi Catalogue put out by Stirling & Co. back in 1999. I did put up a trio on T/Me (including these 2) a month or so ago, and it failed to sell at $30 for the 3, much to my surprise - they are scarce. (ref. 541301537).

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donaldo - 2012-12-29 15:36:00

donaldo wrote:

[quote=jayelcee-
]I have found an unusual stamp while sorting a huge box full to get a few for the grandkids.
It is the series when decimal currency came in.the one penny karaka branch and flowers which became the 1c with same picture.
The fault is in the colours where brown is absent so the background is taupe, the berrries yellow instead of orange.Still on paper of envelope with light post mark.
it looks like it has received an excessive dosage of sun and rain plus it has general poor appearance --leave another 1 in direct sunlight for a week and you should have another

Thanks for that info.
I don't collect or intend to.Just noticed the difference when looking for xmas stamps for grandchild.

jayelcee - 2012-12-29 15:58:00

Lets not forget the Bernie Styris 2010 Catalog of the CAL issues. An excellent publication. CALs they pay postage so they are stamps.
Regarding the use of barcodes etc — at one stage Aus post made available $0 barcode labels that could be used with some older [but still legal prepaid] registration labels. If NZPO did the same the collectors could still use stamps as they wish, the postage would be paid, and also tracked — everyone happy.

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warm3 - 2012-12-30 19:27:00

kiwisteven wrote:

All Cals issued by New Zealand post are in theory not valid for overseas posting but I know of no instance where they have not been accepted and I have used them many times myself without problems.

I have a pair of BMW used on post to Aus at time of issue.

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muzz8 - 2012-12-30 19:56:00

warm3 wrote:

Lets not forget the Bernie Styris 2010 Catalog of the CAL issues. An excellent publication. CALs they pay postage so they are stamps.
Regarding the use of barcodes etc — at one stage Aus post made available $0 barcode labels that could be used with some older [but still legal prepaid] registration labels. If NZPO did the same the collectors could still use stamps as they wish, the postage would be paid, and also tracked — everyone happy.

When i send a parcel (NZ or overseas) we use stamps and then NZ post put on a nill value tracking label so that's the same. However if you send courier post or oversea registered mail there is no choice and you can't use stamps.
You do have to be quick however with the parcels and preferably already put at least some of the stamps on first or erlse NZ Post will print out a label before you have a chance to say that you'll pay with stamps. If the parcel is going overseas and you use stamps then you need to pay an extra 15% as all stamps already have a built in GST content of 15% and as overseas parcel mail is exempt of GST you need to pay the extra 15%.

kiwisteven - 2012-12-30 20:32:00

kiwisteven wrote:

When i send a parcel (NZ or overseas) we use stamps and then NZ post put on a nill value tracking label so that's the same. However if you send courier post or oversea registered mail there is no choice and you can't use stamps.
You do have to be quick however with the parcels and preferably already put at least some of the stamps on first or erlse NZ Post will print out a label before you have a chance to say that you'll pay with stamps. If the parcel is going overseas and you use stamps then you need to pay an extra 15% as all stamps already have a built in GST content of 15% and as overseas parcel mail is exempt of GST you need to pay the extra 15%.

… and CALs on my parcels are very much appreciated. Thanks Steven.

warm3 - 2012-12-30 20:35:00

o.k. is there a known flaw in the 1990 heritage 40c, where the brown colour was left out? so the 40c also appears almost blue?

Wondering if I have found a flaw or just a faded stamp....not sure what sort of fading would cause this though.

bca - 2012-12-31 21:07:00

bca wrote:

o.k. is there a known flaw in the 1990 heritage 40c, where the brown colour was left out? so the 40c also appears almost blue?

Wondering if I have found a flaw or just a faded stamp....not sure what sort of fading would cause this though.

There isn't a brown colour. its a combination of red and yellow. the red is usually the first colour to fade in sunlight. sometimes you can spot some small dots of red or yellow remaining if you put the stamp under strong magnification but you might also need a young pair of eyes. i'd guess it has been faded.

kiwisteven - 2012-12-31 21:58:00

kiwisteven wrote:

There isn't a brown colour. its a combination of red and yellow. the red is usually the first colour to fade in sunlight. sometimes you can spot some small dots of red or yellow remaining if you put the stamp under strong magnification but you might also need a young pair of eyes. i'd guess it has been faded.

Thanks, will put it up as a $1 reserve and see what people think. I have not worked out how to add pics to messages yet.

bca - 2013-01-01 10:15:00

what are the stamp duty counterpart stamps about? much value to stamp duty ones pver stamped with counterpart or the ones that have counterpart in the original stamp?

bca - 2013-01-01 15:50:00

Need some honest advice, 1st time seller of stamps. have a stamp collection 99.9 % NZ, and lots of little envelopes.

A) 1926 2/- Blue Admrial (used)
B) 1926 3/- Purple Admiral (used)
C) 1929 1D Red Nurse (used)
D) 1929 1D Red Nurse (new)

What would be a good honest reserve price to put each of these on at please ? thanks

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muzz8 - 2013-01-01 19:14:00

bca wrote:

what are the stamp duty counterpart stamps about? much value to stamp duty ones over stamped with counterpart or the ones that have counterpart in the original stamp?

Counterpart stamps issued when an official copy was made of a Document.
One in particular the 2/6d Brown Error can be worth Hundreds.
The Yellow 2/6d unpunched cat at $12.50.The 2/- Orange /yellow Admiral Cat $25.00. 1947 King George VII 3/- Cat $350.00

rebel58 - 2013-01-01 19:54:00

lampredi wrote:

Need some honest advice, 1st time seller of stamps. have a stamp collection 99.9 % NZ, and lots of little envelopes.

A) 1926 2/- Blue Admrial (used)
B) 1926 3/- Purple Admiral (used)
C) 1929 1D Red Nurse (used)
D) 1929 1D Red Nurse (new)

What would be a good honest reserve price to put each of these on at please ? thanks

Impossible to tell without seeing the stamps as so many things affect the price. if you upload a scan then will try to help.

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donaldo - 2013-01-02 16:21:00

rebel58 wrote:

Counterpart stamps issued when an official copy was made of a Document.
One in particular the 2/6d Brown Error can be worth Hundreds.
The Yellow 2/6d unpunched cat at $12.50.The 2/- Orange /yellow Admiral Cat $25.00. 1947 King George VII 3/- Cat $350.00

Thanks, I have a 2 and 6 one and another which is ???five shillings, its yellow, any idea? the words of the main number are obscured by post marks and even the five maybea a three. The whole numbers is on the top and shillings only on the bottom.

bca - 2013-01-02 22:03:00

bca wrote:

Thanks, I have a 2 and 6 one and another which is ???five shillings, its yellow, any idea? the words of the main number are obscured by post marks and even the five maybea a three. The whole numbers is on the top and shillings only on the bottom.

Based on the information that I have no 5/- value was issued in the Counterpart issues so it could be a 1931 Arms type cat value $12 to $20.00 Unpunched.

rebel58 - 2013-01-03 10:48:00

sorry, I didn't mean "five shilling" I meant , something and five shilling, so twenty five, thrity five etc....any of those values in a yellow?

bca - 2013-01-03 12:40:00

bca wrote:

sorry, I didn't mean "five shilling" I meant , something and five shilling, so twenty five, thrity five etc....any of those values in a yellow?

Sorry cant help you without a picture, put it on Trademe start at a S1 and it will find its price.

rebel58 - 2013-01-03 13:49:00

bca wrote:

sorry, I didn't mean "five shilling" I meant , something and five shilling, so twenty five, thrity five etc....any of those values in a yellow?

Assuming it's not a Counterpart, will prob. be a 35/- if yellow. Nice.

dunedinstamps - 2013-01-03 14:27:00

its a counterpart....sigh...

bca - 2013-01-03 22:03:00

rebel58 wrote:

Sorry cant help you without a picture, put it on Trademe start at a S1 and it will find its price.

Not a great way to establish value for a stamp I intend keeping though......

bca - 2013-01-03 22:03:00

I would like to know, if there is a catalogue on NZ old postcards?

ang_ck - 2013-01-06 17:19:00