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gammoner - 2014-10-01 17:47:00

Welcome to the Coin Club. We are an assortment of newbies and oldbies, amateurs and experts with questions and answers for oldbies and newbies, amateurs and experts in coin collecting, also known as numismatics. Whether you are just getting started, have been collecting for years or have simply found some old coins about the place that you’d like to sell, this is the place to ask your questions.

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gammoner - 2014-10-01 17:47:00

Hi guys, i have a 1916 liberty coin it has the letter D small at the bottom, does anyone no if this is worth anything? Any help would be great

kaotic_sarah - 2014-10-02 11:41:00

Lovely blue tone on my M&T

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/336104933.jpg

dtpapa - 2014-10-02 13:05:00

Is the liberty a half dollar, quarter, or other?

dtpapa - 2014-10-02 13:13:00

kaotic_sarah wrote:

Hi guys, i have a 1916 liberty coin it has the letter D small at the bottom, does anyone no if this is worth anything? Any help would be great

The "D" means it was made in Denver. It definitely has its value in terms of silver weight, but without knowing the denomination and condition, it's very hard to give a numismatic value. If you post a photo here, we could definitely give a reasonably narrow range. Are you wanting to sell it? If so, looking through expired auctions can give some idea of possible value, but to be spot on, it has to be the exact same coin in very similar condition.

With respect to taking photos of coins, page one of this thread offers some tips on the subject.

echoriath - 2014-10-03 06:54:00

Further to my above post, if unsure how to post a photo, let us know. I'm typing on a phone at the moment, but can explain later if someone else has not done so already.

echoriath - 2014-10-03 19:35:00

I see the Chinese ripoffs from a certain seller are getting more "clever" - check the artificial "wear" on 788697375 to make it look a little more like a period piece.

translateltd - 2014-10-04 10:16:00

translateltd wrote:

I see the Chinese ripoffs from a certain seller are getting more "clever" - check the artificial "wear" on 788697375 to make it look a little more like a period piece.

How long before our 1935 crown is copied?

35 - 2014-10-04 13:10:00

35 wrote:

How long before our 1935 crown is copied?

With their value, not far away I would imagine.

gammoner - 2014-10-04 15:12:00

>>>> These guys are NOT Chinese.
ANTIQUANOVA mint is a medal workshop of museum-quality replicas of rare ancient and medieval coins. As coin experts and collectors, we specialize in replicas from the rarest and choicest Ancient Greek, Roman, Biblical, Celtic and medieval European coins.
Since 2001, our coins reproductions have been highly regarded by coin collectors, art historians, educators and museum shops.
WHO WE ARE
The medal workshop and mint of Petr Sousek and Pavel Neumann of Brno, Czech Republic. We specialize in striking highly artistic coins and medallions, mainly in a historic or pseudo-historic style. We are one of the few workshops in the world which adhere, as a standard, to the original = historical minting procedures.
Our coin replicas are uniquely beautiful and accurately detailed in comparison to their ancient originals. We achieve this quality by using historical minting procedures. We produce precise in style, manually struck replicas of historic coins from common metals (aluminium, brass, copper, tin), silver and gold.
We are dedicated to cultivating and maintaining the universal appreciation of artistic beauty in classical coinage. The purpose of our work is to make the art of the ancients available to the collector, numismatists and amateur history enthusiasts of all levels and means.

alpha111 - 2014-10-04 15:19:00

alpha111 wrote:

>>>&g-
t; These guys are NOT Chinese.
ANTIQUANOVA mint is a medal workshop of museum-quality replicas of rare ancient and medieval coins. As coin experts and collectors, we specialize in replicas from the rarest and choicest Ancient Greek, Roman, Biblical, Celtic and medieval European coins.
Since 2001, our coins reproductions have been highly regarded by coin collectors, art historians, educators and museum shops.
WHO WE ARE
The medal workshop and mint of Petr Sousek and Pavel Neumann of Brno, Czech Republic. We specialize in striking highly artistic coins and medallions, mainly in a historic or pseudo-historic style. We are one of the few workshops in the world which adhere, as a standard, to the original = historical minting procedures.
Our coin replicas are uniquely beautiful and accurately detailed in comparison to their ancient originals. We achieve this quality by using historical minting procedures. We produce precise in style, manually struck replicas of historic coins from common metals (aluminium, brass, copper, tin), silver and gold.
We are dedicated to cultivating and maintaining the universal appreciation of artistic beauty in classical coinage. The purpose of our work is to make the art of the ancients available to the collector, numismatists and amateur history enthusiasts of all levels and means.

Would be nice to have a small R somewere on the copy just so some collecters do not get riped off by buying one of these by some being dis-honest about them, my 2 cents worth.

35 - 2014-10-04 15:26:00

alpha111 wrote:

>>>&g-
t; These guys are NOT Chinese.
ANTIQUANOVA mint is a medal workshop of museum-quality replicas of rare ancient and medieval coins. As coin experts and collectors, we specialize in replicas from the rarest and choicest Ancient Greek, Roman, Biblical, Celtic and medieval European coins.
Since 2001, our coins reproductions have been highly regarded by coin collectors, art historians, educators and museum shops.
WHO WE ARE
The medal workshop and mint of Petr Sousek and Pavel Neumann of Brno, Czech Republic. We specialize in striking highly artistic coins and medallions, mainly in a historic or pseudo-historic style. We are one of the few workshops in the world which adhere, as a standard, to the original = historical minting procedures.
Our coin replicas are uniquely beautiful and accurately detailed in comparison to their ancient originals. We achieve this quality by using historical minting procedures. We produce precise in style, manually struck replicas of historic coins from common metals (aluminium, brass, copper, tin), silver and gold.
We are dedicated to cultivating and maintaining the universal appreciation of artistic beauty in classical coinage. The purpose of our work is to make the art of the ancients available to the collector, numismatists and amateur history enthusiasts of all levels and means.

Just had a look at the web site, Will that not devalue all collectable coins.
They may not sell as real but what about 2nd or 3rd buyers ? there is nothing on them to say copy.

lester36 - 2014-10-04 15:35:00

What makes this replica an acceptable item to sell, 787279946
What makes this counterfeit currency, 788798500
Why stop at coins, lets get someone to do them in NZ$100 notes, make them as close to original specs and list them on Trademe.Just post with a footnote to say they are souvenir notes only. How long to do think you would have before you get a knock on your door ?,I would say less than an hour.

gammoner - 2014-10-04 16:19:00

lester36 wrote:

Just had a look at the web site, Will that not devalue all collectable coins.
They may not sell as real but what about 2nd or 3rd buyers ? there is nothing on them to say copy.

This is exactly what I and a few others have been trying to get TradeMe to understand for some months now, without success.

translateltd - 2014-10-04 16:36:00

alpha111 wrote:

>>>&g-
t; These guys are NOT Chinese.
ANTIQUANOVA mint is a medal workshop of museum-quality replicas

Where's the connection between our Bulgarian friend's knockoffs and Antiquanova? Another of our members recently ordered some identical items directly from China, which seemed pretty conclusive to me.

translateltd - 2014-10-04 16:39:00

35 wrote:

How long before our 1935 crown is copied?

Everything is fair game, regardless of value, so I wouldn't be surprised if they're out there already. I've seen Chinese versions of the 1949 crown, and even the 1977 Jubilee dollar.

translateltd - 2014-10-04 16:43:00

Ouch, ouch, see feedback on seller 781329308

gammoner - 2014-10-04 16:54:00

Ouch, ouch, ouch and another. 782314392

gammoner - 2014-10-04 16:55:00

How long before someone is crying ouch on one of these, 788818618

gammoner - 2014-10-04 16:58:00

gammoner wrote:

What makes this replica an acceptable item to sell, 787279946
What makes this counterfeit currency, 788798500
Why stop at coins, lets get someone to do them in NZ$100 notes, make them as close to original specs and list them on Trademe.Just post with a footnote to say they are souvenir notes only. How long to do think you would have before you get a knock on your door ?,I would say less than an hour.

Trademe are relatively fast at acting on NZ counterfeit products (when reported) and I have managed to get many removed including the LOTR commemorative coins mentioned on this forum months ago. Note that trademe has also banned the sale of Gold layered NZ banknotes supposedly limited to 1000 however the Chinese supplier said they could supply me with over 1000 sets lol. However they still allow the sale of other countries layered gold notes.

When it comes to foreign items they do not seem to worried and I have taken to emailing the Australian Federal Police as the Australian reserve bank says they do not handle the investigations (or the person that got my email does not care)

What it comes down to is the website that these items can be purchased from in china is being actively advertised on the internet on a number of New Zealand sites and the only way to protect this hobby would be to have an agreement with trademe to ban or remove listings when reported. If this does not happen whats the point of collecting them as all the fakes flooding into the market will devalue and reduce the amount of resale opportunities to new collectors.

mudeki - 2014-10-04 20:12:00

Can some one please give me a cat/value on a 2003 20 cent coin in the 2014 catalogue/book thankyou...kisses & hugs from me.

chefman1 - 2014-10-04 20:14:00

chefman1 wrote:

Can some one please give me a cat/value on a 2003 20 cent coin in the 2014 catalogue/book thankyou...kisses & hugs from me.

$85 UNC in the 2013 edition , don't think it changed much in 2014 book

gammoner - 2014-10-04 20:27:00

thankyou alan...have a good nite..cheers peter

chefman1 - 2014-10-04 20:31:00

Classic just now - a request forwarded through the TM system from an unnamed member to relist one of my auctions that closed on the weekend. Unfortunately it was automatically relisted so I can't re-relist it, and I have no way of contacting the unknown potential bidder to say it's there waiting for his/her bid ...

translateltd - 2014-10-06 19:58:00

translateltd wrote:

Classic just now - a request forwarded through the TM system from an unnamed member to relist one of my auctions that closed on the weekend. Unfortunately it was automatically relisted so I can't re-relist it, and I have no way of contacting the unknown potential bidder to say it's there waiting for his/her bid ...

Hopefully it was still in their watch list and an email would have been sent to the unknown advising it had been relisted.

gammoner - 2014-10-06 20:39:00

If it was, they clearly overlooked it!

translateltd - 2014-10-06 21:24:00

Do wartime paper printed Fiji pennies have any value?

lemming2 - 2014-10-07 13:28:00

Oh, also a very light (aluminium I assume) Vichy French 2Franc coin?

lemming2 - 2014-10-07 13:32:00

No to both, basically. Historically interesting but nothing to retire on.

translateltd - 2014-10-07 14:06:00

translateltd wrote:

No to both, basically. Historically interesting but nothing to retire on.

The day I find anything in the parental hoard that I could retire on... I'll retire! But probably more from extreme shock than anything. Thanks for that.

lemming2 - 2014-10-07 20:30:00

Anyone have any coins from The Principality of Hutt River (Australia)? Or any other self-declared independent provinces/micronations, e.g., the Independent State of Aramoana?

echoriath - 2014-10-07 21:47:00

echoriath wrote:

Anyone have any coins from The Principality of Hutt River (Australia)? Or any other self-declared independent provinces/micronations, e.g., the Independent State of Aramoana?

I have a few coins and notes from the Hutt River Province/Principality - was quite tickled by the idea after reading Len Casley's story in the Reader's Digest many years ago. Also a short set from "Riviera", as they appeared to be reasonably well made.

translateltd - 2014-10-08 07:44:00

Wonder if anyone is going to try out the new "YouShop China", announced this morning. Ideal for importing stocks of "souvenir coins", perhaps!

translateltd - 2014-10-09 13:14:00

translateltd wrote:

I have a few coins and notes from the Hutt River Province/Principality - was quite tickled by the idea after reading Len Casley's story in the Reader's Digest many years ago. Also a short set from "Riviera", as they appeared to be reasonably well made.

Nice! Do you notice things like this being listed on TM much?

echoriath - 2014-10-11 10:06:00

Not often at all. Don Ion occasionally lists sets of the Riviera items. I don't really go chasing them so not sure what's out there. One of the guys in the worldofcoins.eu group (forget who now) was very into the "micro-states" and pseudo-coin issuing entities - he had a website for them.

translateltd - 2014-10-11 11:36:00

Research request (posted on behalf) - can anyone with *1984*-dated NZ uncirculated or proof sets please check the 50c reverse die to see if it matches the known 1988 type I or type II reverses? The small number of 1984 proof sets checked so far all seem to contain the type II reverse, while both varieties seem to occur in the uncirculated sets. For those not familiar with the two dies, the key diagnostics (among many others) are the presence (type I) or absence (type II) of a fine diagonal rope in the ship's rigging, in the arc formed by the lowermost sail above the UR of ENDEAVOUR; and the size and shape of the designer's initials: small and not much of a "hook" on the J (type I), or larger and quite a pronounced upward hook on the J (type II).

translateltd - 2014-10-11 17:54:00

Illustrations of those two diagnostics on p. 18 of this year's John Bertrand/Premier catalogue, btw.

translateltd - 2014-10-11 17:59:00

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muzz8 - 2014-10-12 10:31:00

How long does it usually take for Mowbray's to inform you of the outcome of your bids?

dtpapa - 2014-10-12 10:51:00

dtpapa wrote:

How long does it usually take for Mowbray's to inform you of the outcome of your bids?

They've got a lot to process - I've never done postal bids but I would imagine it would take a few days to get everything turned round and out to all the bidders.

translateltd - 2014-10-12 12:32:00

echoriath wrote:

Nice! Do you notice things like this being listed on TM much?

Auction , 792759381

gammoner - 2014-10-12 22:23:00

My bids were done online. I guess I'll have a good idea after they publish their prices realised list. It shouldn't take them too long to get that out, I'd have thought.

Edited by dtpapa at 11:51 am, Mon 13 Oct

dtpapa - 2014-10-13 11:51:00

gammoner wrote:

Auction , 792759381

Thanks!

echoriath - 2014-10-13 12:23:00

dtpapa wrote:

My bids were done online. I guess I'll have a good idea after they publish their prices realised list. It shouldn't take them too long to get that out, I'd have thought.

Online wouldn't make any difference - it's still a postal bid and they still all have to be processed individually. But yes, the prices realised list will indicate whether or not you had any winning bids.

translateltd - 2014-10-13 13:35:00

What a bummer, I was a loser at the Mowbray acution!
(shoulda bid more, and I woulda, if I was there!)

dtpapa - 2014-10-14 20:19:00

Years ago one knew a postal auction had been won when you received a registered letter/parcel containing coins with a typed- or hand- written list of coins won with the request for payment for the total. One was addressed with "Dear Sir" and payment was by cheque or bank deposit. Officially one had to pay first but it seemed to go by the wayside once you had a good reputation ie, paid promptly.

alpha111 - 2014-10-14 23:43:00

A problem arose when you won lots in an overseas auction eg from Downies in Australia who had an NZ Bank Account. There was a NZ PM who supported Coin Clubs but imposed exchange restrictions (R D Muldoon). It was fun (?) going into a bank to try to get the correct exchange rate so one could pay the appropriate amount while dealing with Bank staff who seemingly couldn't understand what you were trying to do
All different today!!

Edited by alpha111 at 12:03 am, Wed 15 Oct

alpha111 - 2014-10-15 00:02:00

When is the next Mowbray coin auction? I really want an inexpensive, but nice,1936 florin. I should have bid more. I blame Mowbray for their, very obviously now, low estimate to begin with.

dtpapa - 2014-10-15 06:47:00

Do you have to pay the gst on overseas auctions?

dtpapa - 2014-10-15 06:48:00