THE NEW COIN CLUB
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| 4301 | Welcome to the Coin Club. We are an assortment of newbies and oldbies, amateurs and experts with questions and answers for oldbies and newbies, amateurs and experts in coin collecting, also known as numismatics. Whether you are just getting started, have been collecting for years or have simply found some old coins about the place that you’d like to sell, this is the place to ask your questions. No one has all the answers, and you may get five differing answers to the same question, yet each may be right in a manner of speaking, especially if opinions are involved. Opinions often vary. If you receive no answer to your query within 48 hours, please ask again. translateltd - 2014-08-01 09:34:00 |
| 4302 | 35 wrote:
Sadly Trademe does not care that memebers get ripped off I have complained about these auctions so many times i am sick of it. I got this response from trademe support on the 27 May "I think your are right in that we do not have anything stated specific for the sale of coin on the site. However, the sale of fake or counterfeit items still falls under New Zealand's Intellectual Property laws. Which we do our best to enforce on the site. Sadly, at the end of the day it is still a buyer's beware situation out there. When members are buying items on the site they should always be making sure they do the most research possible on the item they are buying. As we are a online website, we don't have the option for members to inspect goods before they are purchased, and therefore it is even more important for members to clarify as much as possible before committing to buy." Sadly they still get to relist these items over and over again. I sent an email to Tradme again last night asking if I can import fake Trademe T-shirts and sell them as souvenirs as apparently this can be done with fake coins lol. mudeki - 2014-08-01 09:45:00 |
| 4303 | oops just got a response from trademe to my email doesn't help one bit or answer most of my questions *facepalm* "Thanks for getting back to us. I can understand that this would be quite concerning Jason. It's important to note we employ full time policing teams to review auction complaints, and they keep up a good relationship with the police and the government so they can stay on top of consumer laws. If a listing is brought to our attention and we have reason to believe it doesn't meet our policies then action is indeed taken, however keep in mind that not all of this action is visible to other members. This includes placing restrictions and sending warnings. We respect the fact that this is an important issue to you but if the listing is not pulled then there is a reason behind this." mudeki - 2014-08-01 09:51:00 |
| 4304 | alpha111 wrote:
The least he could do is raise a glass to us.... Hey, alpha, any chance you did an actual printscreen? Hold either Function or Shift and press PrintScreen. This should copy it to your clipboard. Paste it into Paint, save it and upload here if you would. echoriath - 2014-08-01 10:16:00 |
| 4305 | gammoner wrote:
Alan have a look at this >>> chefman1 - 2014-08-01 10:34:00 |
| 4306 | chefman1 wrote:
Thanks for that - reassuring that it's only temporary. translateltd - 2014-08-01 10:47:00 |
| 4307 | chefman1 wrote: gammoner - 2014-08-01 13:23:00 |
| 4308 | This message was deleted. oldecurb - 2014-08-01 19:28:00 |
| 4309 | echoriath wrote: gammoner - 2014-08-01 21:55:00 |
| 4310 | Sad to hear that Alistair Robb past away last month, was a great man very helpful to collectors. 35 - 2014-08-03 16:51:00 |
| 4311 | gammoner wrote:
Hi Alan, Sent you a couple of msgs direct - not sure if you can access them from the fishing boat :-) translateltd - 2014-08-05 11:43:00 |
| 4312 | He's probly just too drunk to read them. echoriath - 2014-08-05 15:10:00 |
| 4313 | 762983341 Alpha111 - I think the seller was inadvertently right with China, looking at the shape of the "English" lettering and the colour of the coin, even though it's supposed to be Japanese ... translateltd - 2014-08-05 15:44:00 |
| 4314 | The gap between the tops of the letters one yen and the inner ring of dots seems less than on my specimens. alpha111 - 2014-08-05 20:42:00 |
| 4315 | There are degrees of genuineness? Are some items only 70% genuine, others 35%, etc.? Most curious ... translateltd - 2014-08-05 21:43:00 |
| 4316 | Hi Martin have you seen this auction [Listing #: 763514522] did the 1971 proof set's come with serifs on them or not ?? cheers peter Edited by chefman1 at 10:04 pm, Tue 5 Aug chefman1 - 2014-08-05 21:57:00 |
| 4317 | chefman1 wrote:
I have to check every time to remind myself which was which, but I see circ had serifs and set had no serifs (good pics on coinerrors.co.nz). There should be no exceptions, but with some of the weird things we are discovering about early NZ decimals, nothing would surprise me! Anyway, the item you are describing is just stating the obvious, a bit like referring to 1953-55 coins as strapless, when they all are. translateltd - 2014-08-06 10:57:00 |
| 4318 | I'm starting to find it tiresome reporting the same fakes by the same sellers over and over again, and getting no response or action from TM. So I've created a message template that I'll just cut-and-paste into my "report this item" message field in future. Anyone else with similar concerns is welcome to adopt and adapt as they see fit: Please see these details on your own Trust & Safety page - if you don't want to enforce them, could you at least delete or amend them to reflect your actual practice, please? Trade Me doesn’t allow the sale of counterfeit items. When you list fake items you can breach NZ law and our terms and conditions. Volunteers are taking a lot of their personal time out to report these items, and some of these sellers should be well past the "multiple warning" stage by now. translateltd - 2014-08-06 19:50:00 |
| 4319 | This message was deleted. donaldo - 2014-08-06 20:56:00 |
| 4320 | I'm just hoping "The New Coin Club" makes it to 5000 before it is wiped by TM for on-going issues then to be replaced with a new thread called "The Really Really New Coin Club". wasgonna - 2014-08-06 21:29:00 |
| 4321 | But Martin..i have sold a few 1949 crown coins as copies..but i did not get a warning from trademe,plus i have brought many fake coins as-well,i think its up to each trader in what they want to buy...sorry to say. Ebay...as them as-well fake coins or copies if they stop them here they will go there. Edited by chefman1 at 9:37 pm, Wed 6 Aug chefman1 - 2014-08-06 21:30:00 |
| 4322 | chefman1 wrote:
eBay changed the policy on these years ago and are actively banning accounts of users selling fake coins when reported. They use the standard that items have to be identified on at least one side as a replica. Note that even the British Museum has made reproductions in the past so as long as identified as such on the item they are legal. We all know fakes are out there and being mass produced in China but it is up to companies like trademe to adhere to the the policies set by the New Zealand Government. mudeki - 2014-08-06 22:11:00 |
| 4323 | will all i can say is no they have not were do you think i got the 1930 from ? chefman1 - 2014-08-06 22:19:00 |
| 4324 | chefman1 wrote:
Yea i know and people have been complaining for months to get those removed but then they get listed again and the process starts all over. Imagine if you had a real 1930 Aus Penny do you think you could sell it on trademe now? I doubt anyone would spend the $$ when everyone is just buying the fakes. Even if a genuine one was listed know how would you know its a fake until you received it? Whats the point even bidding on coins anymore if our main marketplace gets flooded with counterfeit copies? I do believe that the sale of fakes has slowed the sales of coins or at least killed the prices listed in this trademe category as it turns more and more buyers away. mudeki - 2014-08-06 22:36:00 |
| 4325 | Even if a genuine one was listed know how would you know its a fake until you received it. Edited by chefman1 at 11:03 pm, Wed 6 Aug chefman1 - 2014-08-06 22:55:00 |
| 4326 | I think the point is that many of these copies are getting better and are no longer in the "totally obvious" category - I saw (not on TM) a lovely 1934-35 Melbourne florin that would have passed muster until you looked at it really closely against a genuine one, The risk of them being passed off to the unsuspecting is getting too high - that 1930 fake one that drew a bid of over $1000 from someone who presumably thought he was getting a bargain, for instance. translateltd - 2014-08-07 07:00:00 |
| 4327 | translateltd wrote:
I agree 4 years ago you could spot the fake easily now with some of the new fakes they are very close to original specifications mudeki - 2014-08-07 10:08:00 |
| 4328 | Gold & Silver Coins Forgery Detection Kit Brand new item alpha111 - 2014-08-07 16:09:00 |
| 4329 | Just been offered this: 1935 NEW ZEALAND ONE SHILLING (1/-) - AU CONDITION Listing #: 760789824 I declined as I disagree with the grading. alpha111 - 2014-08-07 16:31:00 |
| 4330 | alpha111 wrote:
It is a little hard to tell from the photos provided but I have always found her good to deal so if I was interested i would flick her an email and ask for some full res images to be more sure Edited by mudeki at 5:54 pm, Thu 7 Aug mudeki - 2014-08-07 17:52:00 |
| 4331 | Always difficult from photos but there does appear to be a bit of a scuff mark to the King's cheek and maybe a little wear to the lower band on the crown near the centre. Agreed with mudeki - a bigger picture and preferably straight on rather than angled might be helpful. Given that the reserve is only at GVF level by the current catalogue the price isn't exorbitant, I guess. translateltd - 2014-08-07 19:08:00 |
| 4332 | alpha111 wrote:
Maybe next time. echoriath - 2014-08-07 23:00:00 |
| 4333 | Well, my foolish/naive seller has sent my coins to the youshop address, but with not tracking! And guess what, they haven't turned up yet. I am really hoping they do, but from past experience with youshop, I am a little bit concerned. I have contacted NZ Post and they will search their Portland warehouse. I'll keep you informed of developments!! (in case anyone mentions it, I do believe my seller sent the coins. It was stupid, but 99 times out of a 100 you'd expect them to get to their destination, as long as that destination is not the youshop warehouse in Portland!!) Edited by dtpapa at 12:06 pm, Fri 8 Aug dtpapa - 2014-08-08 12:05:00 |
| 4334 | Heads up - though a full list would have been useful, rather than a summary article with general and inaccurate detail :-) http://www.9news.com.au/National/2014/08/08/13/48/Rare-coins translateltd - 2014-08-09 11:10:00 |
| 4335 | There seems to be criminal activities occurring at this location. Does anyone have a contact in Portland? I would like to arrange a sting operation to catch the culprits red handed!! dtpapa - 2014-08-09 14:15:00 |
| 4336 | Doesn't most of the risk involved in posting anything lie in the sorting office? We hide our goodies or disguise their descriptions precisely to avoid that risk, but as I understand it the Portland operation opens and repackages everything, so your risk is immediately multiplied. Not a lot anyone can really do, I suspect, unless it somehow gets written into their T&Cs that they specifically *don't* open parcels and just add on an outer layer of packaging instead. Likelihood? translateltd - 2014-08-09 14:28:00 |
| 4337 | Likelihood = slim to none I suspect there is too much liability involved to merely on-ship without inspecting/verifying the contents, though one would be forgiven for thinking that petty thievery would be less of an issue in this day and age of discreet surveillance. Edited by echoriath at 11:46 am, Sun 10 Aug echoriath - 2014-08-10 11:43:00 |
| 4338 | Of course NZ Post deny everything. So I need to gather some good evidence. Does anyone have good reliable contacts in the USA, not necessarily in Portland, to help me with this? My plan is to send myself some loose but valuable coins, they would need to be fakes of course, maybe some standing liberties (1917 would be good). I'd need about half a dozen or so. This would allow anyone with sticky fingers to pocket a few, but then send the rest on to me. I must have received over 100 packages of coins from the USA, but the first instance of missing coins in a parcel only happened once I used youshop. Coincidence? Including purchases from ebay, amazon, and other places in the USA and elsewhere, I must have received several hundred parcels over the last decade and more. Yet I can only recall 2, maybe 3 occasions when one went missing. Yet I have already had a parcel going to the youshop warehouse go missing. Coincidence? I think not. Add to these coincidences is the fact that this only seems to happen with loose (unslabbed) coins. I have probably only sent about half a dozen loose coins via youshop, so the odds are beginning to stack up that there is something fishy going on in Portland!! Edited by dtpapa at 11:46 am, Sun 10 Aug dtpapa - 2014-08-10 11:45:00 |
| 4339 | Would actually having a contact in Portland be a help at all? He's not the sort of bloke that would go around breaking kneecaps. I've got a fair few other points of contact there as well. echoriath - 2014-08-10 13:06:00 |
| 4340 | I just need someone, anywhere in US of A, to post the fake coins to my youshop address. I could do it from here, I suppose, but that might create suspicion. The aim of the exercise is to replicate the incident when some of the coins in my parcel mysteriously went missing. If I can do that,and present the evidence to NZ Post, it would be very difficult for them to then dismiss it as coincidence. Although I bet they would try to! dtpapa - 2014-08-10 14:14:00 |
| 4341 | According to this, parcels are not opened as a matter of routine, contrary to what NZ Post told me !! https://www.nzpost.co.nz/bsa/terms-conditions 6. Inspection of Your Parcels We may, but are not obliged to, open and inspect any of Your Parcels at any time and for any purpose, including but not limited to ... dtpapa - 2014-08-10 14:17:00 |
| 4342 | Listing #: [765781856]...1914 australia half/penny coin with a price tag of $1,000. chefman1 - 2014-08-11 00:57:00 |
| 4343 | well NZ Post have got back to me. Apparently they have searched all over their Portland warehouse, but could not find my coins. What a surprise! The reason you couldn't find my coins, NZ Post, is because they have been PINCHED! PILFERED! STOLEN! Of course they arrived at the warehouse. It was only there that they were PINCHED. You don't have to be BLOODY EINSTEIN to work that out!!! dtpapa - 2014-08-11 15:11:00 |
| 4344 | Have you contacted any dealers you can find in Portland to alert them to the stolen items? You might be able to nail the culprits that way, you never know. translateltd - 2014-08-11 16:31:00 |
| 4345 | hadn't thought of that. The value of the coins isn't great, it is the sense of violation that fills me with rage. Is there a forum I could post the details to? A coin dealer in the same zip code as the Portland warehouse I could contact.? This is what I have lost so far, 1. Canada 1962 proof set so if there are any dealers in Portland reading this, and if they have had contact with a dubious individual concerning these coins, could they please post a message in here ! Edited by dtpapa at 5:16 pm, Mon 11 Aug dtpapa - 2014-08-11 17:10:00 |
| 4346 | Unlikely anyone from there is reading this, but you could Google for Oregon dealers ... translateltd - 2014-08-11 19:39:00 |
| 4347 | Listing #: [764306920] look's like they did not want to listen to us ... Martin chefman1 - 2014-08-11 21:09:00 |
| 4348 | How are we all? cashintheattic - 2014-08-12 21:32:00 |
| 4349 | Good (-: lester36 - 2014-08-12 21:43:00 |
| 4350 | lester36 wrote: alpha111 - 2014-08-13 08:32:00 |
