lakeview3 wrote:

type 2 diabetes for a start.

https://theconversation.com/new-zealand-needs-urgent-action-
to-tackle-the-frightening-rise-and-cost-of-type-2-diabetes-1
57581

Awesome! So you want to defund medicine that treats a condition that dis-proportionally affects the poorer in society who are often in that situation because they are less likely to be able to afford healthy food.

sparkychap - 2021-03-28 09:15:00

sparkychap wrote:

Awesome! So you want to defund medicine that treats a condition that dis-proportionally affects the poorer in society who are often in that situation because they are less likely to be able to afford healthy food.

Type 2 diabetes could be made compulsory, that would be fairer- and fits nicely with the 'equal couch time' initiative.

apollo11 - 2021-03-28 09:19:00

sparkychap wrote:

Awesome! So you want to defund medicine that treats a condition that dis-proportionally affects the poorer in society who are often in that situation because they are less likely to be able to afford healthy food.

That's because cigarettes are so expensive. UNFAIR!

apollo11 - 2021-03-28 09:20:00

sparkychap wrote:

Awesome! So you want to defund medicine that treats a condition that dis-proportionally affects the poorer in society who are often in that situation because they are less likely to be able to afford healthy food.

the main reason people get type 2 diabetes is lack of education and laziness.

lakeview3 - 2021-03-28 09:20:00

apollo11 wrote:

Type 2 diabetes could be made compulsory, that would be fairer- and fits nicely with the 'equal couch time' initiative.

it’s literally happening already and people don’t even know it. It could even happen to you, get your hba1c checked next time you visit the doctor.....

lakeview3 - 2021-03-28 09:21:00

lakeview3 wrote:

the main reason people get type 2 diabetes is lack of education and laziness.

So people get it because they are poorly educated? Does the brain produce insulin?

sparkychap - 2021-03-28 09:22:00

apollo11 wrote:

Type 2 diabetes could be made compulsory, that would be fairer- and fits nicely with the 'equal couch time' initiative.

I'm with you now. Easiest way of achieving that is to remove college education, so everyone is less educated and catches diabetes.

sparkychap - 2021-03-28 09:24:00

lakeview3 wrote:

it’s literally happening already and people don’t even know it. It could even happen to you, get your hba1c checked next time you visit the doctor.....

I haven't been to the doctor for twenty years. I gave up sugar, flour, spuds etc years ago.

apollo11 - 2021-03-28 09:25:00

apollo11 wrote:

I haven't been to the doctor for twenty years. I gave up sugar, flour, spuds etc years ago.

do you drink alcohol? Do you eat fat? Fat blocks the cells so your insulin can’t get in and do it’s job....pancreas produces more insulin, still can’t get in cells, eventually it gets tired.

But hey, good on you your family must be in great shape then with you doing all the cooking ????

lakeview3 - 2021-03-28 09:29:00

lakeview3 wrote:

do you drink alcohol? Do you eat fat? Fat blocks the cells so your insulin can’t get in and do it’s job....pancreas produces more insulin, still can’t get in cells, eventually it gets tired.

But hey, good on you your family must be in great shape then with you doing all the cooking ????

The biggie is sugar and insulin resistance. My wife is a crossfit nut, I'm too physically busy during the day to prance around in lycra in the evenings though. My daughter is a typical teenager, but she does like her steamed veggies- so that's a start.

apollo11 - 2021-03-28 09:33:00

If more people followed a low sugar low carb diet we would have far less people with type 2 diabetes.

heather902 - 2021-03-28 09:36:00

lakeview3 wrote:

how do we know this is a true story

LOL, from you!

smallwoods - 2021-03-28 09:38:00

lakeview3 wrote:

no, they don’t expect anything.

However, I believe I have a responsibility as their parent, I bought them into this world. Of course I will try and leave them some kind of reasonable inheritance, why wouldn’t I? It’s a damn shame a few more people don’t think like this. I must say, I am shocked by people’s comments. What a blimmen eye opener eh.

Because by the time you turf it, THEY most likely don't need it!

smallwoods - 2021-03-28 09:40:00

sparkychap wrote:

it’s mostly you I’m laughing at.

No way, you say!

smallwoods - 2021-03-28 09:41:00

apollo11 wrote:

I think it's awful, children expecting to profit from their parent's death.

When mum died, I told my sister she could have my share, as she had looked after the old girl for the last 18mths.
My elder brother, not so accommodating, he was in like a vulture.

smallwoods - 2021-03-28 09:43:00

chiz wrote:

Yet I look at my daughter and her partner-,21 years old. They are in Uni both doing double degrees doing very well. They both also work around 15-20 hours in jobs to live, they also like at home as renting is too expensive. There student loans are huge and are very concerned how they will ever save enough for a house. Their degrees will lead them in great careers but not for many years. I do worry

Yes, all 3 of our boys have degrees and 2 went for 2.
The one with only a degree now has a house.
the other 2 are in Auckland and Wellington for work, where housing is more expensive.

smallwoods - 2021-03-28 09:47:00

sparkychap wrote:

last week I picked up my son from his free school and drove him on a free road to a free hospital where he received free treatment.

Ahh, but DID you?

smallwoods - 2021-03-28 09:56:00

sparkychap wrote:

I don't drive a diesel.

LOL, that's RUC's

smallwoods - 2021-03-28 09:59:00

smallwoods wrote:

Ahh, but DID you?

That's a taxing question.

sparkychap - 2021-03-28 10:05:00

bryalea wrote:

And yes, like lakeview I intend to help house my children. I didn't have them to toss onto the streets when I expire and hope they survive.

Good on you and so will I when I depart this earth permanently but I have helped them get into a home already so they are ahead on whatever I leave behind, which probably won't be much the way things are going. I would prefer to help them now when they need it as, at the time, I could afford it. .

kacy5 - 2021-03-28 12:49:00

artemis wrote:

Sure has had some family help via interest free loans and apprenticeship fees. But we are fortunate to be able to help and he is worth it!

For the young, if it is the right fit, apprenticeships work better than uni as no student loans, paid while learning and pretty much guaranteed work when qualified.

I agree with your last part one of the great frauds visited on the young is that there is enough value in a mediocre degree in media studies from somewhere very average.

However so many times when people say this kind of thing is not true or their next door neighbours nephew owns a house at 12 so everyone can there is so much 'help' whether it's course fees paid, free accommodation, interest free loans from the bank of Mum and Dad, endless free holidays in the family baches, just the knowledge that Grannies house could be made available to you if it all goes wrong

Poverty of opportunity, poverty of expectation, even simple housing insecurity are so limiting. If you havn't experienced some of these things I'm not sure any of us can really say how much influence they have on behaviour.

I agree with the people who say blame those really responsible and also those who say spending millions on a basic roof over your families head is so damaging to young lives but they can't all live in Tokoroa!

deendon1 - 2021-03-28 13:03:00

apollo11 wrote:

Make sure you tell your tenants why their rent is going up, it's not your fault.

You have a bad attitude ! The rent won't be going up! I don't regard it as a charity either - that directed to the poisonous person who made that comment. I am commenting from a point of integrity and concern, not looking for warm fuzzies. so if you cant respond in a civil manner - can it

upfront1 - 2021-03-28 13:03:00

Depreciation gone. Now interest. Since residential property is no longer a business - how long till all the expenses are banned? Why should nasty speculators be allowed to deduct rates, insurance, repairs, etc? Oh dear. Think of the poor FHBs.

pcle - 2021-03-28 21:52:00

upfront1 wrote:

You have a bad attitude ! The rent won't be going up! I don't regard it as a charity either - that directed to the poisonous person who made that comment. I am commenting from a point of integrity and concern, not looking for warm fuzzies. so if you cant respond in a civil manner - can it

Tough. Don't blurt your issues on an internet forum if you can't handle diverse opinions.

Edited by apollo11 at 10:00 pm, Sun 28 Mar

apollo11 - 2021-03-28 21:57:00

smallwoods wrote:

I know of a young chap, who as an apprentice has saved for his house.
Just turned 21 and is about to be a dad.
Should be out of his apprenticeship soon too.
The world is his oyster.
So as a generalisation, since he could do it, there is nothing stopping any young person doing it too!
Case closed, move on.

I was getting $260 a week in the hand then, rent for a room in a flat would be $45-55 a week. Beer was $5 a jug. Coffee was $3 for 100gms.
Could buy a house in Chch for $70,000 or a MK4 Cortina with WOF for $2000+ ( no WOF $1700) Jap imports were $7000+. Intrest' rates were probably over 10%

marte - 2021-03-29 02:28:00

The problem is that now the apparent income from the rental is increasing, it means that the working for families will be diminished, perhaps to zero.

However due to the gender wage gap, the sole breadwinner for the family earns less money due to being female.

This will make it hard to get by. Don't want to screw over the tenant by raising the rent.

tygertung - 2021-03-29 06:06:00

tygertung wrote:

The problem is that now the apparent income from the rental is increasing, it means that the working for families will be diminished, perhaps to zero.

However due to the gender wage gap, the sole breadwinner for the family earns less money due to being female.

This will make it hard to get by. Don't want to screw over the tenant by raising the rent.

Good point, and there are other income related government transfers that can also fall off the cliff. Plus especially for recent rental owners increasing taxable income by potentially plenty will bump them up the tax levels.

Oh dear, landlords will just have to increase the rent then. Grim for good teants, which most are.

Not to worry, according to Ms Ardern's chief spin doctor today there'll be evidence to show that recent policies won't increase rents.

artemis - 2021-03-29 11:57:00

artemis wrote:

Good point, and there are other income related government transfers that can also fall off the cliff. Plus especially for recent rental owners increasing taxable income by potentially plenty will bump them up the tax levels.

Oh dear, landlords will just have to increase the rent then. Grim for good teants, which most are.

Not to worry, according to Ms Ardern's chief spin doctor today there'll be evidence to show that recent policies won't increase rents.

I dare say they will be watching very closely.....

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300264332/jacinda-
arderns-office-gets-ready-to-fight-rising-rents-talk-with-so
cial-media-campaign

lakeview3 - 2021-03-29 12:34:00

Yay! Some Facebook posts. There, crisis all fixed.

pcle - 2021-03-29 12:46:00

But I don't want to raise the rent. I want to keep it as low as possible to give a better deal to my tenant.

I will have to find some other way of getting by.

tygertung - 2021-03-29 13:17:00

tygertung wrote:

But I don't want to raise the rent. I want to keep it as low as possible to give a better deal to my tenant.

I will have to find some other way of getting by.

you might have to have both of you working. It’s what most people have to do to get by these days sadly.

lakeview3 - 2021-03-29 13:23:00

lakeview3 wrote:

I dare say they will be watching very closely.....

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300264332/jacinda-
arderns-office-gets-ready-to-fight-rising-rents-talk-with-so
cial-media-campaign

Ardern doing what she is best at - PR and spin.

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kittycatkin - 2021-03-29 14:39:00

kittycatkin wrote:

Diabetes is compulsory now ? Since when ? I haven't been notified that I have to have it.

It's not compulsory, but being diabetic is so 'en flique' right now.

sparkychap - 2021-03-29 14:48:00

lakeview3 wrote:

you might have to have both of you working. It’s what most people have to do to get by these days sadly.

Unfortunately we have two young children (2 and 5) so full time work isn't an option. I am starting a bicycle engineering business from my garage this year, but obviously self employment isn't that consistent.

tygertung - 2021-03-29 16:34:00

tygertung wrote:

Unfortunately we have two young children (2 and 5) so full time work isn't an option. I am starting a bicycle engineering business from my garage this year, but obviously self employment isn't that consistent.

so you put bikes together? Why don’t you approach a few bike shops and say you can do contract work?

Then you can tailor your hours to suit the kids. You get 20 hours free childcare is that right? And the 5 year old is at school.

lakeview3 - 2021-03-29 16:43:00

tygertung wrote:

Unfortunately we have two young children (2 and 5) so full time work isn't an option. I am starting a bicycle engineering business from my garage this year, but obviously self employment isn't that consistent.

lots of people do work full time with young kids,between day care and after school care we made it work when our kids were younger. At one stage I worked four day weeks, working 5am to 5pm Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Mondays. We had rent to pay, topping up the mortgage for our rental etc. Now my kids are a bit older, I work less hours as we sold the rental to make life a bit easier.

annie17111 - 2021-03-29 17:11:00

lakeview3 wrote:

so you put bikes together? Why don’t you approach a few bike shops and say you can do contract work?

Then you can tailor your hours to suit the kids. You get 20 hours free childcare is that right? And the 5 year old is at school.

I meant to say contract work from home.

lakeview3 - 2021-03-29 17:25:00

lakeview3 wrote:

so you put bikes together? Why don’t you approach a few bike shops and say you can do contract work?

Then you can tailor your hours to suit the kids. You get 20 hours free childcare is that right? And the 5 year old is at school.

There is no way to get 20 hours at the kindergarten unfortunately as 3 x 6 hour days is 18 hours.

I'm not interested in putting the children into full time car either as I believe it isn't good for the children and it is counterproductive due to the cost. I prefer to reduce costs instead.

I should be able to get a bit of work going from home, we will be able to get by. I'm good at scheming and contriving.

tygertung - 2021-03-29 17:29:00

tygertung wrote:

There is no way to get 20 hours at the kindergarten unfortunately as 3 x 6 hour days is 18 hours.

I'm not interested in putting the children into full time car either as I believe it isn't good for the children and it is counterproductive due to the cost. I prefer to reduce costs instead.

I should be able to get a bit of work going from home, we will be able to get by. I'm good at scheming and contriving.

so you have 18 hours free child care the 2 year old will be eligible to go to kindy at 3, the 5 year old is at school (arent they???). It’s important for children to learn to socialise and deal with other children (in my opinion).

Well anyway good luck with trying to work in the garage and supervise wee kids at the same time. I work from home but was able to do it in the same room as the kids. And they went to kindy and then school so I did get some time without them when I could focus just on work.

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kittycatkin - 2021-03-29 18:05:00

kittycatkin wrote:

C'est ca, mon vieux. I took LV's word for it that it was 'literally' compulsory now.

oh dear! I see you are having trouble interpreting my posts AGAIN!

lakeview3 - 2021-03-29 18:08:00

kittycatkin wrote:

How many ?

Oh dear god stop calling for accountability. Best thread was https://www.trademe.c-
o.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Me-
ssages.aspx?id=1844119&top-
ic=21Turned out to be an old paper mill. Poster didn't even bother to read before posting. Oh the drama.

orphic1 - 2021-03-29 18:26:00

lakeview3 wrote:

oh dear! I see you are having trouble interpreting my posts AGAIN!

No we don't

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kittycatkin - 2021-03-29 18:47:00

kittycatkin wrote:

Literally can only mean actually. If something is literally compulsory, then it really is compulsory. If someone is literally penniless, they don't have any money at all. Compulsory means that it's a requirement, like a passport being compulsory for travel.

I didn't misunderstand, you used the wrong word/s.

Look them up in a dictionary if you don't want to take my word for it.

Someone made an obviously facetious comment about diabetes becoming compulsory and you said that it was literally happening now. I'd say that that was unambiguous.

"it’s literally bankrupting the next generations"
"The front is literally on the footpath"
"it’s literally happening already and people don’t even know it."

Sometimes it's best not to take things some people say literally....

sparkychap - 2021-03-29 19:32:00