warm3 wrote:

Mention must be made on the passing of Robin Startup [16Feb12]. The lifetime effort given to philatelic research cannot be understated. He is missed by all philatelists. We will not see this level of authority and dedication again. Thank you Robin for all that you have given to us.
Tony

Agreed. A sad day indeed for New Zealand philately. He will be missed.

icemannz2 - 2012-02-21 17:47:00

warm3 wrote:

David, ask Don or Steven to pass on my email and I will send a high definition scan for you. My copy has a RPSNZ certificate. The colour is very distinctive when compared to others. If you send me a small painters gray colour swatch I will use it as the backgound. This will give you a comparision if you keep a similar swatch.
Tony

Great idea Tony.

kiwisteven - 2012-02-21 22:12:00

news came earlier today that the historic Carlton Courts building situated on the North East corner of Bealey Avenue and Papanui Road on the outskirts of central Christchurch has been cracking up with the recent earthquakes and will have to be demolished as it is considered dangerous. The 50 or so commercial tenants including stamp dealer Peter Bargas (Goldfield Collectables) who had an upstairs tenancy and Coin and Stamp dealer Peter Alexandre who had a road frontage shop in the building ( P & A Stamps & Coins) have had to vacate immediately with stock hurriedly being removed today. The building is owned by well known stamp collector John Wilson of Christchurch. At this stage I have no idea where these businesses will re-locate although Peter Bargas has in recent years mainly used the premises only for storage.

kiwisteven - 2012-02-21 22:22:00

kiwisteven wrote:

news came earlier today that the historic Carlton Courts building situated on the North East corner of Bealey Avenue and Papanui Road on the outskirts of central Christchurch has been cracking up with the recent earthquakes and will have to be demolished as it is considered dangerous. The 50 or so commercial tenants including stamp dealer Peter Bargas (Goldfield Collectables) who had an upstairs tenancy and Coin and Stamp dealer Peter Alexandre who had a road frontage shop in the building ( P & A Stamps & Coins) have had to vacate immediately with stock hurriedly being removed today. The building is owned by well known stamp collector John Wilson of Christchurch. At this stage I have no idea where these businesses will re-locate although Peter Bargas has in recent years mainly used the premises only for storage.

The building is not due to be demolished according to this article:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquak
e-2011/6453341/Carlton-Courts-businesses-forced-to-shut

paulmc - 2012-02-21 22:35:00

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The building is not due to be demolished according to this article:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquak
e-2011/6453341/Carlton-Courts-businesses-forced-to-shut[/quo
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Thanks for that Paul. The TV report was a bit more negative as to the future of the building. Personally now that the safety of the building has been questioned I can't see it escaping the demolition ball although I'd guess John would be doing all he can to see it is retained.
Peter Alexandre removed his stock today from P & A stamps but i don't know about Peter Bargas and suspect nothing has yet been done to remove his stock.

kiwisteven - 2012-02-21 23:01:00

donaldo wrote:

well i dont see many new issues on my mail--mostly appears to be issues back to the 1970's which WE can usually purchase at a bit over 1/2 face
--and what proof is there that nz post is selling much of their new issues--in fact who in this thread still get new issues--and yes wouldnt a set of 5 or 6 be sufficient and WHO ever use mini sheets for postage--
AND lets be truthful about how many people collect new issues STILL !!!!

hahaha....yes, I still buy new issues, and use mini sheets for postage. Of course - remove the stamp/stamps from the sheets first, otherwise they're too big for the envelope.

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carzx - 2012-02-22 00:12:00

The Whakatane Stamp Club has its fortnightly meet tomorrow night at 7.30 pm." Tools of the trade " is the topic.

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donaldo - 2012-02-23 15:13:00

minimoe wrote:

The Whakatane Stamp Club has its fortnightly meet tomorrow night at 7.30 pm." Tools of the trade " is the topic.

I don't think many people will realise that Whakatane was the first Philatelic Society in New Zealand to own its own club rooms back in the 1960's when a bequest saw the club inherit a house. Perhaps somebody can update us on the situation.

kiwisteven - 2012-02-24 01:50:00

Friday Nite bump

tmg - 2012-02-24 21:07:00

tmg wrote:

Friday Nite bump

Haven't you got anything more clever to say than bump! this is cheating at the expense of other newsgroups.

kiwisteven - 2012-02-24 23:38:00

Re Container City Post office postmarker. I have talked to the Post shop manager Michael Evans and he confirms that they have ordered a new datestamp to replace their wrong one. No idea of when the new one will turn up however.

kiwisteven - 2012-02-24 23:41:00

tmg wrote:

Friday Nite bump

I didn't feel any aftershock.

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muzz8 - 2012-02-25 08:09:00

muzz8 wrote:

Interesting adson- maybe one of the South Island guys can help with this (Steven / Gary)- it would appear that the South Island was originally referred to as the Middle Island (and Stewart Is -South?)--or is this just a advertising gimic
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/19/207226319_full.jp
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It was a commonly used name for the South Island during the 19th Century. To quote from Wikipedia.."In the 19th century, some maps named the South Island as Middle Island or New Munster, and the name South Island or New Leinster was used for today's Stewart Island/Rakiura. In 1907 the Minister for Lands gave instructions to the Land and Survey Department that the name Middle Island was not to be used in future. "South Island will be adhered to in all cases"." Now we refer to it as "The Mainland". So, now we know!

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muzz8 - 2012-02-25 12:55:00

It seems silly to depart Rakiura (Stewart island) and have to head north to get to the South Island.
The other oddity is that the South Island's Maori name is Te Waipounamu while the north Island is an extended Aotearoa but in the last 100 years the name "Aotearoa' has become the preferred Maori name for the whole of New Zealand. its no wonder us poor Mainlanders prefer to call ourselves "Mainlanders"!

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muzz8 - 2012-02-25 15:35:00

muzz8 wrote:

oooohhhh is that why i thought it was something to do with cheese- Mainland that is

And Countdown Supermarket only had Tararua cheese on Special yesterday in Christchurch. We make lots of fabulous Cheese in Canterbury but then undercut it with North Island cheese which needs to be shipped down. doesn't make much sense.

kiwisteven - 2012-02-25 19:15:00

kiwisteven wrote:

And Countdown Supermarket only had Tararua cheese on Special yesterday in Christchurch. We make lots of fabulous Cheese in Canterbury but then undercut it with North Island cheese which needs to be shipped down. doesn't make much sense.

think we mite be getting all your shook up main cheeze up this way .. we'll let you know when you can have some back & we'll give back the old guys with their TV Ads as well .. :)

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tmg - 2012-02-25 21:54:00

Sunday aftenoon Bump

tmg - 2012-02-26 16:31:00

Yes the Whakatane Club still own the house with a quarter acre section that it inherited from Doctor Cole many years ago. I'm sorry I don't know to much more.I first went to one meeting about 1975 at the clubrooms and then recently started going again about 2 years ago. We have around nine to fifteen members at each meeting.

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minimoe - 2012-02-27 17:49:00

minimoe wrote:

Yes the Whakatane Club still own the house with a quarter acre section that it inherited from Doctor Cole many years ago. I'm sorry I don't know to much more.I first went to one meeting about 1975 at the clubrooms and then recently started going again about 2 years ago. We have around nine to fifteen members at each meeting.

It is great to hear that the club still owns the building. From what I know its only Christchurch and Whakatane that have stamp club owned clubrooms. Whakatane held a major national stamp exhibition in 1967 which gathered a lot of support and showed what a regional center could do. Your club has a lot to be proud of.

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donaldo - 2012-03-03 14:31:00

muzz8 wrote:

Do you believe this-Does this look dodgey-seller with no feedback-over 2000 covers signed by Ritchie-on day of victory -would he have had the time??-$500 buy now--all too much-all to good cause,but could it be true
lot 452979125

Maybe one signed by Ritchie and rest are photocopies I guess

looks to be a genuine fundraising job -- great for the rugby mad collector, but take onboard Don's comment from the philatelic angle too ;-)

tmg - 2012-03-03 15:12:00

muzz8 wrote:

Do you believe this-Does this look dodgey-seller with no feedback-over 2000 covers signed by Ritchie-on day of victory -would he have had the time??-$500 buy now--all too much-all to good cause,but could it be true
lot 452979125

Maybe one signed by Ritchie and rest are photocopies I guess

nothing to say when they were signed. In my opinion this isn't what I'd call a signature. more like initials. They need to indicate if all 2011 have been personally signed.
I'd also like to know if they got approval from the person who designed the 1981 cover they incorporate into the design as this person would still have copyrtight on the image. (Was it Steve Hutson or Rendall Mcintosh who did this cover?).

A good fund raising idea but a bit late off the blocks and not done very well in my opinion.

kiwisteven - 2012-03-04 00:16:00

kiwisteven wrote:

And Countdown Supermarket only had Tararua cheese on Special yesterday in Christchurch. We make lots of fabulous Cheese in Canterbury but then undercut it with North Island cheese which needs to be shipped down. doesn't make much sense.

1kG Cheese including Tasty all $8.99 ea at Raywood Fresh .Milligans from Oamaru.One for me and one for the freezer for later.

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muzz8 - 2012-03-06 22:15:00

muzz8 wrote:

Yippee---Just when I thought the collection was getting a bit boring-found a W10 Rudd 10 postmark in amongst a postmark collection i had bought(worked out about 10c each)off trademe about year ago --makes it all worth while and revitalised me- haha
Jim Rudd came round tonight and had alook and confirmed my good luck/'-and that he did not have copy in his almost complete nz postmark collection

so although not a perfect copy of Mangah(ei)- still worth $250-$400.00 bucks he says

so I am happy- my wife is happy-(not wasting my time or our money haha) and KGV 2d postmark collection is looking fine!!!!!!!

just makes this hobby worthwhile-hehe

Well done! Good to hear the "Old Bugger" finally made it home after his long stay on the Mainland Give him my kind regards. Steven

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muzz8 - 2012-03-07 17:12:00

muzz8 wrote:

Hi Don- spoke to Jim Rudd -- last night and he said NO-not considered postally used--Makes you wonder though what a Telegram office would use a 5/- stamp for,other than posting parcels--(i am sure that some of the smaller offices,must have also acted as mini PO,s) see page 1 of the 2010 KIWI catalogue of revs and rail stamps-good article of useage of the 1898 stamps

Perhaps some more input from Dealers as not considered is not considered definitely not in my book, and I cant find any published confirmation for or against at this stage.I do find this interesting and I stand to be corrected.

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muzz8 - 2012-03-07 19:04:00

donaldo wrote:

can somebody help me please--i have a very fine used 1898 type 5/- mt cook with a 'telegraph office' postmark--i have always classified these as postally used in the past--but am i correct--any opinions please

They actually used them for putting on telephone receipts etc. For toll calls locals would come to the Telegraph Office and make their toll calls ther and pay for them in cash. The receipt (toll ticket would have a stamp affixed. These toll tickets were meant to be sent back to the Chief post Office for auditing but it didn't always happen. I think there might also be a case for money order telegrams to use them but I'm not sure if telegraph offices could also be Money order offices.

kiwisteven - 2012-03-07 21:56:00

Of course it is also possible (although not likely) that a parcel was sent and of course they would only have that one datestamp they could use so while its most likely its fiscally used it is also possible (but unlikely) that it is postal usage.

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muzz8 - 2012-03-08 05:54:00

We seem to have if ,but, maybe or thereabouts , but no definitive answer ,yes or no.

rebel58 - 2012-03-08 09:27:00

rebel58 wrote:

We seem to have if ,but, maybe or thereabouts , but no definitive answer ,yes or no.

I think the definitive answer is that a Telegraph or telephone office cancellation is probably fiscal usage if on a 5/- Mt. Cook stamp. If you want a postally used 5/- then look for one with a roller, registered or parcels postmark or even one on cover. otherwise there will always be some doubt.

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donaldo - 2012-03-08 20:22:00

Looks like we need a speaker of the House in here, cant get a straight answer to a question.Looking at NZ Stamps used some of the above mentioned are for sale as we speak so I rung the seller up and picked his brains.
In the good old days In a lot of PO's the Telegraph Canceller and the postal Canceller used the same Pad so in busy times who checked to see that the proper cancel was used?Postal covers have been sold with Telegraph cancels as postally used because they were, Full Stop say no more .Therefore I will state that a Telegraph cancel on a stamp that shows NO sign of Fiscal use eg Punching embossing,,fiscal signature,known fiscal cancellation must be Postally used according to Kiwi Revenue Catalogue's description of manuscript stamps...
So Fence sitters or Parliamentarian wannabes tear this one up .

rebel58 - 2012-03-09 09:49:00

And in answer to why the higher values eg 2/-,5/- came with a Telegraph cancel was for bulk paying of telegrams ,lets say a hundred or more from a business,government department.
Let alone a parcel mailed with the wrong canceler used as per the above statement.

rebel58 - 2012-03-09 09:57:00