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Welcome to the Coin Club. We are an assortment of newbies and oldbies, amateurs and experts with questions and answers for oldbies and newbies, amateurs and experts in coin collecting, also known as numismatics. Whether you are just getting started, have been collecting for years or have simply found some old coins about the place that you’d like to sell, this is the place to ask your questions.

No one has all the answers, and you may get five differing answers to the same question, yet each may be right in a manner of speaking, especially if opinions are involved. Opinions often vary. If you receive no answer to your query within 48 hours, please ask again.

chefman1 - 2014-05-18 10:32:00
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alpha111 wrote:

GEORGIUS III DEI GRAITIA
BRITANNIARUM REX FID
FOUND IN GRANDADS BITS AND PIECES.....
RESERVE IS START......
WILL ATTEMPT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS BUT DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS!
Ignorance sure is bliss when you have a bid of $93 on your fake 1817 half sovereign..

By the Q&A it looks like they had the idea put in their head, but it shows the importance of paying attention to your bids!

chrisr5 - 2014-05-18 12:14:00
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chrisr5 wrote:

By the Q&A it looks like they had the idea put in their head, but it shows the importance of paying attention to your bids!

Funny that some can take a half "sovereign" for a spade "guinea" token ...

translateltd - 2014-05-18 12:25:00
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PLEASE READ.
I have listed this coin as unknown , I have no way of being certain of the TRUE DATE, there are replicas and reproductions of this coin.
If you are not happy then do not bid...thank you.
Switzerland Shooting Medal..Lugano 1883
5 Francs
weight: 25.30 grams
38 mm diametre x 2.5 mm thick
I have scanned the coin so pics are the actual coin in auction..

This must be an exceedingly rare mule but you would have to be a donkey to bid on it.
I guess this guy wants to flood the country with fakes.

alpha111 - 2014-05-18 13:26:00
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728866479, and others, "struck in memorial of the earlier coin". Wonder what he takes us all for. The number of Chinese medals this seller has listed gives a pretty good guide as to the provenance of the rest of the items.

translateltd - 2014-05-18 13:33:00
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Sad to see more and morsovereignies comming into new zealand I was at an antique shop a few years ago and they had a number of Morgan Dollar fakes but they kept telling me they were real. I guess people just trying to make some easy money.

In regards to the fake sovereign surely it should have been removed by seller or trademe

mudeki - 2014-05-18 14:01:00
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How can you tell the difference between a fake and real Morgan dollar? I've got a 1895 S.

orlandofan - 2014-05-18 15:18:00
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You could take it to a dealer who has the expertise based on years of trading. Your local is Mowbrays in Otaki.
Otherwise post some clear pictures on this tread as there are experts on American coinage on here (not me). One just beat for a French coin.

alpha111 - 2014-05-18 15:39:00
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It depends on the copy i guess the ones i have had in the past did not have the correct weight and the detail was lacking so when looking at them it was easy to see they were not originals (would be hard to tell from a photo). We had this discussion years ago at a Manawatu Numismatic society meeting and a few fakes were shown to us and it was almost impossible to tell unless you had something to compare to. if you search for fake Morgan dollars there are a number of articles online

mudeki - 2014-05-18 15:46:00
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https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/316881895.jpg
https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/316881843.jpg
How does this one look ?
found it last week
On my kitchen scales it is 26 grams 38mm across and about 3mm thick.

lester36 - 2014-05-18 16:06:00
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I'm flattered by the expert designation/accusation, but my knowledge of US Silver Dollars is reasonably limited. Still, I have a few nice specimens in whose authenticity I am confident, and I think, lester, that your 1897 looks like the real McCoy. As you can imagine, it's easier to make a more solid judgment by having it physically in front of me.

Orlando: I'd be keen to see photos of your 1895-S. There were certainly plenty made that year (though it's on the low end for production numbers), and we are close enough in terms of trade routes to SF that you could certainly have a real one. On the other hand, there's not a shortage of fakes out there. While lower value items are often faked just to fob off some pretend "silver", often higher-value items return bigger returns when purchased by the unfortunate as collectible pieces.

The other funny thing about US Silver Dollars is that surprisingly few of them were released into actual circulation. A lot went from bank to bank or just sat on the shelves of one bank or another as backing for paper money. Then quite a few were melted down from year to year to provide bullion to produce a later year's run.

In 1918 nearly 300 million were melted down under provisions of the Pittman Act, which represented almost half of all Morgan Dollars up to that date*!

*From Yeoman 2012 Red Book

Edited by echoriath at 7:24 pm, Sun 18 May

echoriath - 2014-05-18 19:17:00
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BTW, orlando, let me be more concise: If you were not already aware, the book value for a genuine 1895-S is in the hundreds of dollars, so here's hoping....

echoriath - 2014-05-18 19:27:00
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With anything of value there will always be people that produce replicas / fakes to make a quick buck however most can be spotted if you pay attention to detail.

I did a quick Google search tonight and found an interesting article with photos on fake coins being made in china in 2008
http://coins.about.com/od/worldcoins/ig/Chinese-Counterfeiti
ng-Ring/

mudeki - 2014-05-18 23:09:00
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i have about 50 -100 maybe more coins old nz pre decimal coins but i do not know where to take them as the one collector who used to buy them passed away and his family are not buying
i was told i could send them by courier to the reserve bank and they will cash them out but stupidly they say to do that when it is illegal to send money through the post and courier

b2bonair - 2014-05-19 12:33:00
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This may be a really dumb question but what does it mean by 1971 no serif?
As in the NZ 5 cent coin?

cashintheattic - 2014-05-19 15:21:00
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cashintheattic wrote:

This may be a really dumb question but what does it mean by 1971 no serif?
As in the NZ 5 cent coin?

Check the images at coinerrors.co.nz - the most obvious difference is on the 7.

translateltd - 2014-05-19 15:33:00
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cashintheattic wrote:

This may be a really dumb question but what does it mean by 1971 no serif?
As in the NZ 5 cent coin?

The serif is the extra bits on the end of a letter or number.

Have a look here as its hard to explain:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serif

wasgonna - 2014-05-19 15:33:00
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Here is the short link to the site with comparisons between 1971 circulating and set 5,20,50 cent coins (the rest i still have to take photos for)
http://wp.me/P4A88C-1oa

mudeki - 2014-05-19 15:59:00
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cashintheattic wrote:

This may be a really dumb question but what does it mean by 1971 no serif?
As in the NZ 5 cent coin?


https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/317011003.jpg
here you go cashintheattic spot the different between the 1971 5 cent coins

chefman1 - 2014-05-19 16:00:00
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brilliant thanks guys

cashintheattic - 2014-05-19 19:19:00
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Is this an error? 1961 NZ Penny? Just thought id try get in on the action!!!

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/317042056.jpg

Edited by cashintheattic at 7:31 pm, Mon 19 May

cashintheattic - 2014-05-19 19:28:00
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I'd say a lot depends on what's happening on the other side of that damage. If there's a flattened bit opposite, it probably happened after the fact. If the other side is in a consistent, uniform condition, it probably happened in production.

With respect to serifs, one often sees the term "sans serifs" from French, meaning "without serifs". The "s" on "sans" is silent, though it almost does not matter since "serifs" starts with an "s". Most of the fonts on this page are sans serifs.

echoriath - 2014-05-19 20:47:00
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Hey Echo, the rest of the coin looks like its in great original condition... No damage at all

cashintheattic - 2014-05-19 21:14:00
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Interesting reading on your feedback page cashintheattic..so he ended up giving you a red face?..sh!t head..for a lost parcel that nz post lost for you.

chefman1 - 2014-05-20 00:25:00
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chefman1 wrote:

Interesting reading on your feedback page cashintheattic..so he ended up giving you a red face?..sh!t head..for a lost parcel that nz post lost for you.

Sorry for indulging in feedback trawling but the bit about the banknotes being enhanced was funny - when they're clearly circulated and one even dog-eared in the photo :-)

translateltd - 2014-05-20 07:27:00
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translateltd wrote:

Sorry for indulging in feedback trawling but the bit about the banknotes being enhanced was funny - when they're clearly circulated and one even dog-eared in the photo :-)

Totally hilarious the buyer obviously didn't look at the photos! Still all good black list fodder.

chrisr5 - 2014-05-20 07:38:00
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chefman1 wrote:

Interesting reading on your feedback page cashintheattic..so he ended up giving you a red face?..sh!t head..for a lost parcel that nz post lost for you.

And slow to get back to CITA.

Incidentally, CITA, have you approached TM about feedback, you could possibly have it removed for making unfounded accusation ie not sent items.

chrisr5 - 2014-05-20 07:56:00
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Trade Me are telling me that I have to come to a resolution with the trader. I have emailed them and given my side of the story but they have told me that I as a seller have a right to see that the buyer gets the items or refund him. I have emailed the buyer and offered a partial refund which I thought was fair as we would both be out of pocket. Now I just wait and see

cashintheattic - 2014-05-20 09:20:00
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cashintheattic wrote:

Trade Me are telling me that I have to come to a resolution with the trader. I have emailed them and given my side of the story but they have told me that I as a seller have a right to see that the buyer gets the items or refund him.

I do find that ridiculous. Once you consign goods without tracking, they're out of your control, and while the buyer is doubtless telling the truth when he says they never arrived, you have no proof. Under their rules, anyone could claim non-delivery and expect a refund. The Post Office, meanwhile, has an "out clause" of its own that absolves it of any responsibility.

translateltd - 2014-05-20 09:50:00
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Yep I hear ya there Translateltd...

cashintheattic - 2014-05-20 10:26:00
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Hi
I have acquired an 1899 5 cent straits settlements coin
Queen Vic on face and was wondering on value of said coin
Well circulated

props1 - 2014-05-20 14:01:00
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Listing #729006312 with a reserve of $15.00 closed on Sunday with no bids. You could check to see if your Straits Settlement 5 cent coin is in similar condition. If not it's worth far less.

alpha111 - 2014-05-20 19:02:00
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1902 Sterling Silver King Edward Crown Coin V.F
Start price: $89.00No reserve No reserve Closed: Sun 18 May 2014, 9:15 pmListing #: 728536013
Post auction activities:
The seller has offered you this item for $139.00
This offer is no longer available.
1902 Sterling Silver King Edward Crown Coin V.F

No one bids at $89.00 then someone accepts an offer for $50.00 more.(WTF!!)
Some people do have lots of money to throw about.

Edited by alpha111 at 7:14 pm, Tue 20 May

alpha111 - 2014-05-20 19:12:00
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Listing #: 728845102 Bulk U.S.A coins
Interesting auction finishing tonite lots of Q's & A's...lol

chefman1 - 2014-05-20 19:29:00
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chefman1 wrote:

Listing #: 728845102 Bulk U.S.A coins
Interesting auction finishing tonite lots of Q's & A's...lol

Sure is a lot of questions and a hefty price but not a lot of answers from seller

mudeki - 2014-05-20 19:43:00
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Interesting ... But no coin thread regulars bidding though ..... It's like a lucky dip. And you may be very very unlucky.

alpha111 - 2014-05-20 19:46:00
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alpha111 wrote:

Interesting ... But no coin thread regulars bidding though ..... It's like a lucky dip. And you may be very very unlucky.


Would put money on the later!!

gammoner - 2014-05-20 20:19:00
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mudeki wrote:

Sure is a lot of questions and a hefty price but not a lot of answers from seller


A few coins to be sorted through after tonights efforts

gammoner - 2014-05-20 20:20:00
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gammoner wrote:


A few coins to be sorted through after tonights efforts

Sure is ;-) fingers crossed we both find what we are after

mudeki - 2014-05-20 20:28:00
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alpha111 wrote:

1902 Sterling Silver King Edward Crown Coin V.F
Start price: $89.00No reserve No reserve Closed: Sun 18 May 2014, 9:15 pmListing #: 728536013
Post auction activities:
The seller has offered you this item for $139.00
This offer is no longer available.
1902 Sterling Silver King Edward Crown Coin V.F

No one bids at $89.00 then someone accepts an offer for $50.00 more.(WTF!!)
Some people do have lots of money to throw about.

Very brave sovereign buyer in their feedback too!

chrisr5 - 2014-05-21 03:53:00
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Interesting when a silver tetradrachn is apparentlly silver. How come?
And good feedback too.
Antique Greek Coin - Greeko Bactrian - Eucratides
Start price: $600.00Closes: Tue 27 May, 12:03 amListing #: 731543972
Bactria: Eucratides I, Silver tetradrachm, c. 171 - 145 BCE.
Weight: 16 gm approx, Diameter: 34 mm approx.
Material: Apparently Silver.

alpha111 - 2014-05-21 08:10:00
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alpha111 wrote:

Interesting when a silver tetradrachn is apparentlly silver. How come?

Could just be unfamiliarity with the series and simply quoting information found - or am I just in a good mood this morning?

translateltd - 2014-05-21 11:04:00
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translateltd wrote:

Could just be unfamiliarity with the series and simply quoting information found - or am I just in a good mood this morning?


You are always in a good mood

gammoner - 2014-05-21 11:37:00
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[chrisr5] You are up far too early at 3.53 am this glorious Wednesday.
We both won a 1992S Silver Premier Proof set on Sunday (alpha111 at 12.02 pm and Chris5 at 12.31 pm) but there is only one set so it has been decided that you will have it. Cheers.
Anyway paying two years sub for the Australasian Coin and Banknote Magazine will curtail my bidding for a few days

alpha111 - 2014-05-21 16:10:00
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Can anyone give me some advice on this coin lot and whether I'm best to list as one bulk auction or separate into individual coins or years? Thanks

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/317457075.jpg

Edited by massived at 5:39 pm, Thu 22 May

massived - 2014-05-22 17:37:00
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My two cents worth: I'd list them as one lot. Do a little research on what similar ones have sold for so as to set a sensible reserve. If one has a chance of being an error or especially uncommon, maybe separate it out and list solo.

Take better photos, i.e., no flash in indirect sunlight on a tripod. Set the timer on two seconds so the camera can stabilise whilst shooting between pressing the button and the shutter clicking. Remember to push the bottom halfway once first to allow the lens to focus.

Maybe group them four by four, obverse/reverse joined into one photo. Spring for the extra cost of pix. If they go all the first time, that will be cheaper than the fees on several listings, unless they are end up going for a heap, in which case any fees should be relatively negligible.

echoriath - 2014-05-22 19:13:00
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Thank you. I will take your advice and list as one lot with doubles separately. I appreciate your help.

massived - 2014-05-22 19:28:00
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1895 USA EXPO MEDAL TO: WESTS DISINFECTING CO.
Winning bid: $755.00 Reserve $100 Closed: Thu 22 May 2014, 4:47 pmListing #: 7297831
A great battle to watch ....

alpha111 - 2014-05-22 19:36:00
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that auctions gone Alpha

cashintheattic - 2014-05-22 19:44:00
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One Hundy

gammoner - 2014-05-22 19:49:00
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