kiwisteven wrote:

Rather than bumping how about actually adding something to the conversation? What was the best CAL design of last year? i reckon my "Queen Mary 2" cruise liner was quite striking!

The Jury's still out I'm afraid ..

Expect to have most in used to make a decision in .. hmmm well the way things are going 2021 .. could be a while ;-)

tmg - 2012-02-17 20:49:00

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donaldo - 2012-02-17 21:06:00

don, if your not happy with the 75th year of RNZAF issue ,you can return them and have a refund ;
but!! look at it as a statement of what that part of the armed forces have done for the country (donate your $ on ANZAC DAY )
to your local RSA :)
just a thought :)

gandalff4 - 2012-02-17 22:33:00

I quite like the RNZAF set. At least the stamps are reasonable values for use and there is no surcharge or anything else funny. The coin doesn't worry me either as i don't collect coins. You will never get a national boycott as who would want to cancel their order to make them that rare. If somehow 99% of people did boycott them just imagine what the other 1% would be worth in a few years time!

kiwisteven - 2012-02-18 01:18:00

Aussie issued their few Airforce stamps 12 months ago .. are Post a bit slow or just using an old Aussie New Issues schedule for ideas & multiplying them up to make up for the delay ? ;-)

tmg - 2012-02-18 01:39:00

donaldo wrote:

and how do we control nz post new issues
--do we really need 15 RNZAF stamps next month plus a mini sheet booklet and 3 first day covers plus a silver proof $1 ??--perhaps a national boycott would be useful

Gez .. just as we were just thinking that the 15 & 16 of God knows how many other earlier issues were looking 1/2 complete another lot hit .. pity the poor younger collectors with this continually going on .. it was easy years ago with just 4's 5's & 6's but 16 is getting a bit repetitively ridiculous, so yes Don has a very good point ;-)

tmg - 2012-02-18 01:43:00

kiwisteven wrote:

I quite like the RNZAF set. At least the stamps are reasonable values for use and there is no surcharge or anything else funny. The coin doesn't worry me either as i don't collect coins. You will never get a national boycott as who would want to cancel their order to make them that rare. If somehow 99% of people did boycott them just imagine what the other 1% would be worth in a few years time!

isn't that already the case with some of the more recents ?

the vast numbers of adhesive KS booklets has prob already done in the sales & qty's of regular 2 monthly or monthly new issues on quantities out there ? ;-)

Edited by tmg at 1:49 am, Sat 18 Feb

tmg - 2012-02-18 01:48:00

NZ post are still selling heaps of new issues via Wanganui going by the many collections of recent new issues I see for Insurance valuations.

kiwisteven - 2012-02-18 08:29:00

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donaldo - 2012-02-18 12:25:00

donaldo wrote:

well i dont see many new issues on my mail--mostly appears to be issues back to the 1970's which WE can usually purchase at a bit over 1/2 face
--and what proof is there that nz post is selling much of their new issues--in fact who in this thread still get new issues--and yes wouldnt a set of 5 or 6 be sufficient and WHO ever use mini sheets for postage--
AND lets be truthful about how many people collect new issues STILL !!!!

nor do we see many of the latest here either - but lots of the older decimals being used up & by far kiwistamps or booklet issues

how many new standard issues (aside from the common adhesive booklet types) actually do make it out into postal circulation ?

A number of dealers do make a habit of using the very latest issues for postage, which must be very much appreciated by their customers

tmg - 2012-02-18 12:37:00

The numbers of later issues appearing on here I would think must be indication of just how scarce or slow the newer stamps are in coming through out there .. there really aren't alot of them showing up for the past 5-10 years at all - particularly recent NZ higher values & full sets

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tmg - 2012-02-18 12:40:00

still collect the new issues, stamps,& min sheets ;
no interest in coins though

gandalff4 - 2012-02-18 12:53:00

actually do nz post still accept drawings/ submissions for new issues ,? or is everything now produced from a computer generated picture,
as in this new issue ;all done from the strategy design firm.
old items in the 1955- 1995 era were for submission's :
best noted among them was of course, Maurice Conly ;IMO

gandalff4 - 2012-02-18 13:08:00

The only new issues I collect now are Health and Xmas plus miniature sheets.
It used to be that stamps were only issued to commemorate some important event or anniversary.
Also definitive issues lasted five years or more.
Now there are far too many issues coming out just to make money!

phil.s - 2012-02-18 13:13:00

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muzz8 - 2012-02-18 17:03:00

Now if we all just collected Pre-Decimal NZ issues……………

warm3 - 2012-02-18 18:34:00

Hi there...just looking for some advice really - we have come into possession of a whole sheet (10 x 12) of 1940 Centennial commemorative stamps (Maoris landing in NZ 1350), not the 'Official' stamped ones, just plain. Can anyone help us on where to find valuing information on these, or a dealer who would be willing to chat with us? We are in Wellington. Cheers!

lilbro - 2012-02-18 18:52:00

lilbro wrote:

Hi there...just looking for some advice really - we have come into possession of a whole sheet (10 x 12) of 1940 Centennial commemorative stamps (Maoris landing in NZ 1350), not the 'Official' stamped ones, just plain. Can anyone help us on where to find valuing information on these, or a dealer who would be willing to chat with us? We are in Wellington. Cheers!

While these stamps are catalogued at up to $2 each by some catalogues in reality you will find it hard to sell as these are the lowest value in a large set of values up to 1/-.
I have sheets of these and would be happy to sell a sheet for $20. Conversely I'm not looking to buy and I doubt any dealers will be as this value is always more plentiful than the others in the set.

kiwisteven - 2012-02-18 20:28:00

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donaldo - 2012-02-18 20:41:00

donaldo wrote:

and perhaps we should look at some years of 'TRIPE'--for instance in 2004 we had 3 issues of all blacks incl 3 mini sheets and a sheetlet,etc PLUS the customised arts festival and bmw issues--the 5c blob --and garden flowers on black paper??!!! and a 'reprint' of the 90c and $1.50 lord of the rings as a mini sheet for world stamp exhibition!!!
--must of put a lot of collectors off

That's a real flood of rubbish for sure - perhaps a low point when the Arts festivals and BMW issues came out. A time when the left hand of NZ post (The philatelic folk) didn't even know what the right hand (Retail sales branch) was doing.
--must have put a lot of collectors off

kiwisteven - 2012-02-18 22:39:00

and yet the bmw stamp is being clamored over and is fetching real $$ ,same for the anz ones ,go figure !

gandalff4 - 2012-02-19 09:20:00

gandalff4 wrote:

and yet the bmw stamp is being clamored over and is fetching real $$ ,same for the anz ones ,go figure !

Ignore "Rubbish" at your own peril. The 1913 Auckland Exhibition Overprints were decried in their day with Stanley Gibbons refusing to list them for many years declaring them "An unnecessary Overprint". Check out the price and demand these days! They weren't even postally valid beyond New Zealand and Australia so basically only locals. Gibbons now price at 600 pounds for a used set of 4.

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donaldo - 2012-02-19 11:38:00

gandalff4 wrote:

actually do nz post still accept drawings/ submissions for new issues ,? or is everything now produced from a computer generated picture,
as in this new issue ;all done from the strategy design firm.
old items in the 1955- 1995 era were for submission's :
best noted among them was of course, Maurice Conly ;IMO

Im surprised that this comment has not drawn any comments ?

gandalff4 - 2012-02-19 14:50:00

gandalff4 wrote:

actually do nz post still accept drawings/ submissions for new issues ,? or is everything now produced from a computer generated picture,
as in this new issue ;all done from the strategy design firm.
old items in the 1955- 1995 era were for submission's :
best noted among them was of course, Maurice Conly ;IMO

think they mite prefer that if you want your own artwork, you head towards the CAL Dept with chequebook open at the ready ;-)

tmg - 2012-02-19 15:11:00

thanks tmg :)
i was meaning that the 1955 issues -1995 stamps were selected from submissions from various artist's ; eg; the 1955 centennial stamps were from drawings submitted from Maurice Conly ,and he was one of the best in that era ,now you see the design work is all done by machine
Conly was responsible for some 20-30 issues over that period and also did items for Tokelau,& the un.but perhaps this is not common knowledge in this forum

gandalff4 - 2012-02-19 18:55:00

A question for all you postmark collectors. I have a 9/- Queen Victoria with the postmark "R M COURT NELSON". Can anybody supply any information about this postmark. I also have brought a 10/- QV off trademe with the same type of post mark but instead of "NELSON" the place is "PATEA. Many thanks in advance.
images.trademe.co.nz/photoserv-
er/20/206241420_full.jpg
Hopefully the link above works for a scan.

teddybearlover - 2012-02-19 19:29:00

Sorry try this link
images.trademe.co.nz/photoserv-
er/20/206241420_full.jpg

teddybearlover - 2012-02-19 19:30:00

teddybearlover wrote:

Sorry try this link
images.trademe.co.nz/photoserv-
er/20/206241420_full.jpg

Fiscally used by the Courts on documents not Postal.

Edited by rebel58 at 7:53 pm, Sun 19 Feb

rebel58 - 2012-02-19 19:53:00

kiwisteven wrote:

Ignore "Rubbish" at your own peril. The 1913 Auckland Exhibition Overprints were decried in their day with Stanley Gibbons refusing to list them for many years declaring them "An unnecessary Overprint". Check out the price and demand these days! They weren't even postally valid beyond New Zealand and Australia so basically only locals. Gibbons now price at 600 pounds for a used set of 4.

there was a time when maybe stamps of China & Eastern Europe / Communist Block were considered very similarly

now look at them .. some high values for certain issues of China, East Germany & a few others .. well worth the trouble slooking at them against the trend say 20-30 years ago..

Edited by tmg at 8:56 pm, Sun 19 Feb

tmg - 2012-02-19 20:55:00

gandalff4 wrote:

thanks tmg :)
i was meaning that the 1955 issues -1995 stamps were selected from submissions from various artist's ; eg; the 1955 centennial stamps were from drawings submitted from Maurice Conly ,and he was one of the best in that era ,now you see the design work is all done by machine
Conly was responsible for some 20-30 issues over that period and also did items for Tokelau,& the un.but perhaps this is not common knowledge in this forum

interesting background material Gandalf . ta

:)

tmg - 2012-02-19 20:57:00

gandalff4 wrote:

actually do nz post still accept drawings/ submissions for new issues ,? or is everything now produced from a computer generated picture,
as in this new issue ;all done from the strategy design firm.
old items in the 1955- 1995 era were for submission's :
best noted among them was of course, Maurice Conly ;IMO

New Zealand Post used to run design competitions every 10 or so years to select artists to add to their group of around 6 or 7 artists they used. Sometimes these competitions coincided with a new definitive series but not always. When a design was needed they would ask 2 or 3 of their stable of artists to submit rough designs and then would choose one designer to submit finished designs for approval. Some artists were preferred for particular types of subjects like Maurice Conly for military themes etc. NZ Post also had a stamp design panel comprising a Stamp dealer, a stamp collector, A art museum director and at least 2 NZ post representatives. about 10 years ago this panel was abolished and more recently NZ post have got lazy and simply asked local Wellington commercial studios to design most of their stamps by computer design. The result is what you see with no distinct New Zealand design style other than the subject material depicted.

kiwisteven - 2012-02-20 00:10:00

Maurice Conly was chosen because he was also the official artist for the RNZAF and the Antarctic Division of the DSIR and had a great grasp of the Military themes for the navy and Army as well where it is important to get design details exactly correct. I can't think of any of his stamps with a design error unlike many other designers who often made design mistakes. I met Maurice many times and was lucky enough to sit beside him and his wife at the 1988 Royal Philatelic Society Exhibition Awards Dinner. he was a real gentleman and fascinating to talk to.
It would currently be hard for any of us to name a current NZ stamp designer which goes to show how much NZ post have eliminated that aspect from their stamps.

kiwisteven - 2012-02-20 00:23:00

icemannz2 wrote:

Could somebody here please post a scan of the 1900 Boer War 1.5d khaki shade - alongside with the other listed shades for comparison - I am told that it is a "cold" shade - but I have never seen it. And its cat. value is considerably more than the others. Cheers

Anybody ????? or is it so rare that no-one here has one ! Perhaps it should be cat higher than it is

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donaldo - 2012-02-20 15:30:00

donaldo wrote:

--possibly not as scarce as suggested but this issue has so many shades that just getting the more common ones identified would be a major task--i can never remember having a khaki 1 in my 60+ years of dealing--also 1 has to be very suspicious of supposed khaki's as it would be relatively easy to create by 'tampering' with a normal stamp

So one for the Expert Committee of the Royal then? Shame as I would have liked to have seen one to compare with - I know I know ... the colours never come out right on our screens but it would be nice to have a comparison with the other listed shades. Reason I ask is that I have one that seems to fit the bill - but who really knows!! one of lifes little mysteries I guess :-)

icemannz2 - 2012-02-20 16:28:00

icemannz2 wrote:

So one for the Expert Committee of the Royal then? Shame as I would have liked to have seen one to compare with - I know I know ... the colours never come out right on our screens but it would be nice to have a comparison with the other listed shades. Reason I ask is that I have one that seems to fit the bill - but who really knows!! one of lifes little mysteries I guess :-)

Best way to see one in the flesh is in a Stamp Exhibition,I saw one in a competition frame in Christchurch in January this year.A very distinctive shade.Perhaps you could get hold of a SG colour chart.Don't bother trying to get a CP one as they cant back up their descriptions with a chart.I think that they pluck there imaginary colours out of vomit patches every now and then just to please themselves and to piss collectors off.

rebel58 - 2012-02-20 17:09:00

icemannz2 wrote:

Anybody ????? or is it so rare that no-one here has one ! Perhaps it should be cat higher than it is

Iceman, the problem is that scanners are not that good and if they are then somebodies screen may not be. I would not trust a scan to be an actual rare shade. You are simply asking for trouble and disappointment asking for a scan for comparing a shade. If you have what you think is one of the Khaki shades then you need to show it to somebody who has one so you can put it alongside and compare under natural light. Final proof is only when you have a decent certificate for it and for this I'd only accept a RPSNZ Certificate.

kiwisteven - 2012-02-20 17:11:00

rebel58 wrote:

Best way to see one in the flesh is in a Stamp Exhibition,I saw one in a competition frame in Christchurch in January this year.A very distinctive shade.Perhaps you could get hold of a SG colour chart.Don't bother trying to get a CP one as they cant back up their descriptions with a chart.I think that they pluck there imaginary colours out of vomit patches every now and then just to please themselves and to piss collectors off.

any colour chart is also only a guide because many shades don't match up with the 300 colours listed in a colour key for instance. I have checked the SG Colour key and it does not list any khaki's. SG's colour chart is even worse with less colours.

kiwisteven - 2012-02-20 17:18:00

kiwisteven wrote:

any colour chart is also only a guide because many shades don't match up with the 300 colours listed in a colour key for instance. I have checked the SG Colour key and it does not list any khaki's. SG's colour chart is even worse with less colours.

At least they have one.What does the Royal use as a Colour guide?

rebel58 - 2012-02-20 17:41:00

kiwisteven wrote:

Iceman, the problem is that scanners are not that good and if they are then somebodies screen may not be. I would not trust a scan to be an actual rare shade. You are simply asking for trouble and disappointment asking for a scan for comparing a shade. If you have what you think is one of the Khaki shades then you need to show it to somebody who has one so you can put it alongside and compare under natural light. Final proof is only when you have a decent certificate for it and for this I'd only accept a RPSNZ Certificate.

Yes I agree with this totally - but it would give an "idea" as to how much difference there is between the lesser shades and the kahki ... but it is all academic here I guess as nobody here has one to show - even Donaldo hasn't seen one in 60+ years of trading ! what hope anyone else!!

icemannz2 - 2012-02-20 18:31:00

you could always send it to CP for them to evaluate it cost nothing : and if as your saying its a rare item they may even buy it from you :)

gandalff4 - 2012-02-20 19:56:00

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donaldo - 2012-02-20 21:31:00

rebel58 wrote:

At least they have one.What does the Royal use as a Colour guide?

The Royal go to a confirmed copy of the shade to compare it with. This is really the only way to do it. I have seen a dozen or so khaki's in 40 odd years of which perhaps 10 had certificates. Don of course works under severe difficulties for shades because of the Rotorua environment which causes some very unusual shades to emerge because of the sulphur laden air.

kiwisteven - 2012-02-21 00:36:00

gandalff4 wrote:

you could always send it to CP for them to evaluate it cost nothing : and if as your saying its a rare item they may even buy it from you :)

It is definately a much higher cat. value item than the rest of the group - about 550gbp in SG if I recall correctly as against 4-5gbp for the common ones used. I am not sure whether I have one or not as I cannot compare it to anything other than what I already have - all I really know from reading about it is that it is a 'cold' shade (whatever the interpretation of 'cold' is) ! Does anyone here know of a publication that shows the differences in shade?

icemannz2 - 2012-02-21 10:50:00

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donaldo - 2012-02-21 10:55:00

icemannz2 wrote:

Anybody ????? or is it so rare that no-one here has one ! Perhaps it should be cat higher than it is

David, ask Don or Steven to pass on my email and I will send a high definition scan for you. My copy has a RPSNZ certificate. The colour is very distinctive when compared to others. If you send me a small painters gray colour swatch I will use it as the backgound. This will give you a comparision if you keep a similar swatch.
Tony

Edited by warm3 at 3:14 pm, Tue 21 Feb

warm3 - 2012-02-21 15:06:00

Mention must be made on the passing of Robin Startup [16Feb12]. The lifetime effort given to philatelic research cannot be understated. He is missed by all philatelists. We will not see this level of authority and dedication again. Thank you Robin for all that you have given to us.
Tony

Edited by warm3 at 4:07 pm, Tue 21 Feb

warm3 - 2012-02-21 16:07:00

icemannz2 wrote:

Anybody ????? or is it so rare that no-one here has one ! Perhaps it should be cat higher than it is

The other one that really stands out if you have seen it is the KG5 6d Carmine-Lake.
That being said I have bought many 6d copies on their own believing them to be nearing the required shade but when I get home and compare them they are nowhere near as 'cold'.
Tony

Edited by warm3 at 4:12 pm, Tue 21 Feb

warm3 - 2012-02-21 16:11:00

warm3 wrote:

David, ask Don or Steven to pass on my email and I will send a high definition scan for you. My copy has a RPSNZ certificate. The colour is very distinctive when compared to others. If you send me a small painters gray colour swatch I will use it as the backgound. This will give you a comparision if you keep a similar swatch.
Tony

Thanks Tony. I will send you a board email later tonight on Stampboards re. this. Thanks for your help.
Dave.

icemannz2 - 2012-02-21 17:41:00