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chefman1 - 2014-04-23 09:20:00

cashintheattic wrote:

Question-
guys...... I have had a buyer contact me saying they have not received there items. They bought 3 things off of me a month ago. I posted the day I received payment and it hasnt arrived. This is the first time this has happened to me so my question is they only paid $3 post so will the post shop have a record of it and what happens if the coins are lost :(

so he emails you and tells you he has not received this coins,but still bids on your auctions, i think he his telling porkies sorry to say

chefman1 - 2014-04-23 09:36:00

There has to be an element of 'buyer beware' - if you have packed your items securely (in my experience, you do), and the PO loses them, you can't be held responsible. I'd tell the buyer you acted in good faith and if he doesn't want to complete the current transactions you'd be happy to cancel them and re-list. And notify TM that he's a time-waster. You can't miraculously recover and deliver coins that a third party has either lost, mis-delivered or stolen, especially after such a lengthy delay.

translateltd - 2014-04-23 09:50:00

Thanks guys.... Very helpful info... :)

cashintheattic - 2014-04-23 11:25:00

I did check with the post shop and as you said there is nothing they can do. I have told the buyer this and he said he will pay for the other items when the ones missing turn up so I am going to cancel the trade. I hate doing this because I believe I am an honest trader and would hate to think people were thinking I was deceiving them.

cashintheattic - 2014-04-23 11:39:00

I always replace items that go missing in the post, no matter what. I only get about one or two a year. A couple of reasons if you sell on Trade Me you are (pretending) a retail seller and under law you are still responsible. I would ask you a question - would you be happy if you paid for something and it never arrived?.

kiwialan - 2014-04-23 12:59:00

kiwialan wrote:

I always replace items that go missing in the post, no matter what. I only get about one or two a year. A couple of reasons if you sell on Trade Me you are (pretending) a retail seller and under law you are still responsible. I would ask you a question - would you be happy if you paid for something and it never arrived?.

what a load of rubbish,how can you replace coins if you have only one of each
plus you know alan that you are not allow to post coins in the post,if the trader can not email you back within a certain time frame to let you know that the coins have not arrive,you can then contact nz post but after a month i would not,yes alan i have paid for items that i have not received two years down the track and no refunds,so what its call now [post at buyers risk] or [no refunds if lost by nz post]

chefman1 - 2014-04-23 15:17:00

I had one envelope turn up with a coin-sized hole in the side of it where someone at the PO had clearly shaken it out - though why they then delivered an empty envelope is beyond me. It was clear in that case that the seller had taken no security precautions at all (not even a bit of tape down the side of the envelope, never mind concealing the item in cardboard), and he voluntarily offered 50% of the item price back. I thought that fair under the circumstances.

translateltd - 2014-04-23 16:35:00

chefman1 wrote:

what a load of rubbish,how can you replace coins if you have only one of each
plus you know alan that you are not allow to post coins in the post,if the trader can not email you back within a certain time frame to let you know that the coins have not arrive,you can then contact nz post but after a month i would not,yes alan i have paid for items that i have not received two years down the track and no refunds,so what its call now [post at buyers risk] or [no refunds if lost by nz post]

Peter, if you are going to quote me, please get it correct. Nowhere did I mention coins! I'm not dumb enough to replace coins, so they would get a refund. I also know that you are not supposed to send coins through the post (but Peter, I will admit that I have been selling coins now for over fifty years) used to run postal auctions.

The point of my quote I thought was the fact that whatever happens, I have always replaced or paid out to any client that did not receive their item. What ever it is or was.

P.S. Not sure if post at buyers risk or post at buyers risk would stand up in a court of law, but I could stand corrected in that.

kiwialan - 2014-04-23 17:15:00

Nowhere did I mention coins! I'm not dumb enough to replace coins,
lol...what planet are you on alan....it been a month and the trader did not email him in a certain time frame.....would you refund after a month...???....so the post was about coins...not about YOU OK...i don't care if you had a postal run and sell coins
i areadly new that....
[post at buyers risk would stand up in a court of law] so have been to court then???

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muzz8 - 2014-04-23 19:25:00

post 3611
so muzz8,if i send you some coins to you fastpostage at $2.00.... and you did not received them after a month ..but you want me to refund you back ..because nz post lost them
but you did not let me no after a month...which is to late for me to ask nzpost to fine them.... is that what you are saying...i should refund you??? even after a month

chefman1 - 2014-04-23 19:52:00

I have sent nearly 1000 coins overseas in the last 3 months from the Numista site with no problems-
yes we no that..you buy your coins on trademe then on sell them on numista site

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muzz8 - 2014-04-23 20:44:00

muzz8 wrote:

Do not worry- i would let you know after 1 week- (especially fastpost)if they had not arrived,and it would be upto you to start process with Post Office for lost in mail, or refund item cost plus postage and retrieve funds from PO yourself

you can retrieve funds from nz post for coins or stamps sorry to say,

chefman1 - 2014-04-23 21:02:00

muzz8 wrote:

or maybe you did not even send them- On my overseas letters i send a scan of prepared letter-on each occasion-to at least show intent

lol....i don't scam people murray,not like some people do on trademe.

chefman1 - 2014-04-23 21:05:00

Sorry guys didn't mean to start an intense discussion. NZ post have no idea where the coins are. And as I always do they were wrapped in bubble wrap and placed in a $3 bag. There would have been no way to know that they were coins. I only charged $3 for postage with the option of tracking which wasn't taken. The buyer also implied to me that the $3 post I charged was excessive for combined 3 auctions.

cashintheattic - 2014-04-23 21:37:00

???? 718392849 ???

lester36 - 2014-04-23 21:41:00

lester36 wrote:

???? 718392849 ???

did you see all the other coin auctions he has up for sale, same trader bidding on all of them

Edited by chefman1 at 9:54 pm, Wed 23 Apr

chefman1 - 2014-04-23 21:53:00

cashintheattic wrote:

Sorry guys didn't mean to start an intense discussion. NZ post have no idea where the coins are. And as I always do they were wrapped in bubble wrap and placed in a $3 bag. There would have been no way to know that they were coins. I only charged $3 for postage with the option of tracking which wasn't taken. The buyer also implied to me that the $3 post I charged was excessive for combined 3 auctions.

is that a nz post bag for $3.00 upto 3kg limited, which you sent me my coins in?? did you put your name & address details on the back return to sender on it if lost??

chefman1 - 2014-04-23 22:00:00

chefman1 wrote:

did you see all the other coin auctions he has up for sale, same trader bidding on all of them

Will be interesting to see how many sell ...

translateltd - 2014-04-23 22:01:00

muzz8 wrote:

However Ebay will always, refund funds from sellers account (they just take out of your account) to pay for postage and purchase price if you cannot supply tracking details-

I was scammed on eBay once - only a quite small amount, thank goodness - but it put me off using them with any regularity. The old "I've overpaid you, pse send me some extra coins to make up the difference" trick - then claim they never arrived, eBay takes the money back out of your account, plus a penalty charge, no opportunity to speak in your own defence as all they would accept was a tracking number, which I couldn't supply for an NZ-US transaction at the time. And this despite the buyer having originally left feedback saying he had received the goods! Far too one-sided and heavy-handed for my liking. I'd hate to see that become the norm here.

translateltd - 2014-04-23 22:06:00

cashintheattic is the trader in the north island or south island?? and do we know him,i am only asking because i had one trader ask me if i tracked his parcel,i said no if you ask me i could have tracked for him, he did not want to payed the $3.00 for shipping to...lol

chefman1 - 2014-04-23 22:08:00

cashintheattic wrote:

Sorry guys didn't mean to start an intense discussion.

Someone ends up kicking the hornets' nest from time to time. Just hope you're quick on your feet.

Edited by echoriath at 10:29 pm, Wed 23 Apr

echoriath - 2014-04-23 22:28:00

chefman1 wrote:

you can retrieve funds from nz post for coins or stamps sorry to say,

Please elaborate.

From NZ Post*:
Prohibited items include, but are not limited to:
....cash, currency, bullion .....

Precious metals are also on the list of prohibited items. I also construe coins to fall under cash and/or currency, though I think it's fair to argue the point as concerns demonetised coins.

I'm not saying I agree with NZ Post's views, and I don't use carrier pigeon to ship, but I am dead keen to know how you get compensated from NZ Post for lost coins when sent via anything resembling standard post.

http://www.nzpost.co.nz/home/sending-within-nz/compensation-
prohibited-items

echoriath - 2014-04-23 22:37:00

chefman1 wrote:

yes we no that..you buy your coins on trademe then on sell them on numista site

Is there some rule against this?

(And I did read your response, muzz. I am just not clear on why some view on-selling as an issue, on TM or off of it.)

Edited by echoriath at 10:41 pm, Wed 23 Apr

echoriath - 2014-04-23 22:40:00

Hi Peter, Yes it was a $3 bag like I normally send the coins in. And yes it had my address on the return to sender part. The buyer is in the North Island and English is not their first language... Dont really want to put much more on here. But yeah NZ post said there is nothing they can do as so much time has lapsed. Hopefully the old snail mail is living up to its name and it shows up at some stage

cashintheattic - 2014-04-23 23:12:00

https://trademe.tmcdn.co.nz/photoserver/full/313767204.jpg
I don't use carrier pigeon to ship,this is on the back of a nz post bag done by tracked you can not get compensation on any money sent by normal post or tracked or by track & trace so money means old coins,bank notes and today money Cash currency or vouchers/gift cards but you can ask nz post to fine your lost parcels only if you have a tracked number or track & trace number or if you payed for a 80 cent stamp and over.

Edited by chefman1 at 11:27 pm, Wed 23 Apr

chefman1 - 2014-04-23 23:19:00

Is there some rule against this?

never said there was tim ok

chefman1 - 2014-04-23 23:31:00

you can retrieve funds from nz post for coins or stamps sorry to say

sorry tim i miss a word out, you can [not] retrieve funds from nz post for coins or valuable sorry to say.

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muzz8 - 2014-04-24 02:11:00

All parcels I send are tracked as I don't use NZ post, I wouldn't have it any other way especially if you are selling anything of value I wouldn't have the option of sending it untracked to cover myself and make sure the buyer has received their item. and coins may be regarded by NZ post as a prohibited item but you receive them the same way from NZ post if you buy them of their website.

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kiwisportsgirl - 2014-04-24 07:18:00

retrosigns wrote:

coins may be regarded by NZ post as a prohibited item but you receive them the same way from NZ post if you buy them of their website.

NZP wasn't happy when I pointed that out to them at a meeting a few years ago - they countered that they use CourierPost, which is a different legal entity ... yet it's under the same umbrella, and CourierPost won't cover coins either.

translateltd - 2014-04-24 12:11:00

translateltd wrote:

NZP wasn't happy when I pointed that out to them at a meeting a few years ago - they countered that they use CourierPost, which is a different legal entity ... yet it's under the same umbrella, and CourierPost won't cover coins either.

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echoriath - 2014-04-24 13:28:00

Hi Colin here, have sold and also lost in post a coin he also said that he had not got another 3 lots, after thinking about it I offered to replay half cost including postage, he said no as we both had loss, him cost of coin, me the coin. If it is the same person, i think someone could be stealing his mail?

35 - 2014-04-24 17:29:00

Or maybe the trader has integrity issues personally.

echoriath - 2014-04-24 22:59:00

echoriath wrote:

Or maybe the trader has integrity issues personally.

i could say the same about you,i hear that you are in wellington?bugger did you bring that bad weather with you?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Community/MessageBoard/Messages.asp
x?id=1419139&topic=10

Edited by chefman1 at 11:34 pm, Thu 24 Apr

chefman1 - 2014-04-24 23:28:00

Honestly, this very moment I am north of Porirua, but I was in Welly this evening. FWIW, the weather in Marlborough was excellent.

ETA: is the coin shop in Otaki still John Mowbray?

Edited by echoriath at 11:57 pm, Thu 24 Apr

echoriath - 2014-04-24 23:53:00

ETA: is the coin shop in Otaki still John Mowbray?[/quote]

It sure is i was in there today lol well yesterday now i guess

Edited by mudeki at 12:14 am, Fri 25 Apr

mudeki - 2014-04-25 00:14:00

I would be interested in getting a valuation done on my coin collection for insurance purposes is there someone that anyone would recommend in the Waikato?

retrosigns - 2014-04-25 14:40:00

It would pay to talk to your insurance company to see what they require I have been told different things from different insurance companies one I am no longer with told me I had to get them valued by a registered valuer (are any coin dealers registered valuers?) Another company said they would cover for some things not others and quoted me a ridiculous price I could never afford. If they are generally locked away and not on display a good quality fireproof safe might be a better idea depending on the quantity. A lot of safes even the old ones can have tamper switches installed and connected to your home alarm system the down side is they can weigh a few ton so you would not want to be moving often

mudeki - 2014-04-25 16:08:00

Shopping around for insurance is a good plan - I use an insurance broker, IC Frith (Roughton Nelson), in Hamilton as it happens. While you may not need a registered valuation, an itemised list such as you would get signed off by a valuer would still be handy in the event of a claim.

translateltd - 2014-04-25 16:43:00

Has anyone here ever come across an article on the different die varieties in nz coin sets in the 80's?

The reason I ask is I noticed a variety on the 1984 50c in sets and I m sure it cannot of gone unnoticed with the previous studies in differences between circulating and set coins.

Full photos are on the website I am working on (3rd line from the bottom of my listings) under Decimal - circulation vs set - 1984

mudeki - 2014-04-25 17:26:00