muzz8 wrote:

yes of course if it does not have hinge or any sign of ever being hinged it is UHM/MNH- so the best Discription has to be UHM/MNH with fault
you are taking something that is basically straight forward and very simple if used correctly and complicating it to suite your own needs
this is a old ploy of some in this industry-critising when purchasing to keep prices low,and building up and over rating when selling the same item at over inflated prices when selling

If there is a fault on a MNH stamp, it should be sold out of necessity as MINT with a fault - it can never be MNH ever again, only mint.

Any dealer selling in any way Mint with some defect as MNH and at premium prices would soon be out of buisness, hence discounts are offered for same.

Those that are well pocketed are normally aware of quality and scrutinize a proposed purchase. It is the gullible and unenlightened that are caught out.

philafarinz - 2011-11-02 19:34:00

bronsyn1 wrote:

If it is 1960 pictoials, i would have some interest in the items
Bronsyn 1

I also would be very interested

warm3 - 2011-11-02 20:40:00

philafarinz wrote:

If there is a fault on a MNH stamp, it should be sold out of necessity as MINT with a fault - it can never be MNH ever again, only mint.

Any dealer selling in any way Mint with some defect as MNH and at premium prices would soon be out of buisness, hence discounts are offered for same.

Those that are well pocketed are normally aware of quality and scrutinize a proposed purchase. It is the gullible and unenlightened that are caught out.

Bloody hell here we go again HINGE is the key word a stamp that has never been hinged can not be Hinged Mint.If it has a fault then it is still MNH with a fault .Your play on words /definitions is disturbing to say the least .Now here is one for you can you make up another story by turning a MH stamp into a MNH one .The key word here again is Hinge or Hinged.Work on that one and if you can make it so please?

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donaldo - 2011-11-02 20:58:00

philafarinz wrote:

If there is a fault on a MNH stamp, it should be sold out of necessity as MINT with a fault - it can never be MNH ever again, only mint.

Any dealer selling in any way Mint with some defect as MNH and at premium prices would soon be out of buisness, hence discounts are offered for same.

Those that are well pocketed are normally aware of quality and scrutinize a proposed purchase. It is the gullible and unenlightened that are caught out.

This is confusing,under your rules should it not be MH?
http://www.philactica.co.nz/item.php?id=3365#gallery
This pretty portrait of QEII mint never hinged but has very light handling fold only visible on the back

rebel58 - 2011-11-03 07:20:00

donaldo wrote:

extraordinary misuse of definitions and opinions and certainly not as intended--and for 1 that has never seen the stamps in question your reactions are certainly well out of line

You are taking the high ground on this one Don?
Bit like the pot calling the kettle black dont you think?
What are the stamps in question?

rebel58 - 2011-11-03 07:26:00

The rules I did make have existed long before us but the terminology has just adapted to modern usage.

And yes you are right a hinged stamp may be called MH. depending on grading - lightly hinged etc., etc.

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donaldo - 2011-11-03 12:22:00

If such re-gummed are offered for sale I do hope they are appropriately described. Price wise a case of caveat emptor.

philafarinz - 2011-11-03 16:26:00

It can also happen that when a re-gummede stamp is sold, detailed as original gum or not mentioned that it is re-gummed, the seller may be forced to to supply a genuine specimen or full refund in the least.

It may also be noted that previously toned stamps may have been cleaned, regummed and hinged and sold as mint hinged. They may appear as lovely copies till a specialist gets a closer look.

philafarinz - 2011-11-04 08:31:00

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muzz8 - 2011-11-04 18:12:00

1/3rd of catalogue sounds too much !
Forgeries or illegally manufactured stamps should not be sold at the equivalent value of MNH or Mint.

Some specialist collectors do need comparisons,
On the other hand there are Zambia officially re-gummed values and even Aerogrammes of some other Country I am aware of.
All boils down to knowing the angles of what one collects.

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donaldo - 2011-11-05 13:28:00

If stamps are stuck together that is bad news for MNH old stamps as the gum is disturbed and they are just Mint after separating.

Modern stamps I would not think twice about just washing them as their value is mostly part of en masse material.

Steaming stamps off anything is plain dangerous. Between blotting paper you get safe result however once again mint never hinged results into just Mint - No gum - MNG.

philafarinz - 2011-11-05 15:54:00

donaldo wrote:

oops --just found a new loophole--had some GUINEE unhinged mint which were stuck together--it was a tossup to place them in water and make them unused OR steam them off and leave them as unhinged mint----i chose to steam off--thanks to our new experts on gum!!!!????????

Prinze UHU,removes stamps sparingly and retains the gum.
I can vouch for it as I have a bottle cost about US$14.00 from England.

rebel58 - 2011-11-05 16:04:00

Sounds like a miracle fluid - changes Mounted Mint into Mint never hinged.

Does it show under a UV light or leave any marks on the Gum ?

philafarinz - 2011-11-05 17:15:00

philafarinz wrote:

Sounds like a miracle fluid - changes Mounted Mint into Mint never hinged.

Does it show under a UV light or leave any marks on the Gum ?

So far I have used it on mint stamps stuck to album pages ,a few drops on the stamp or to the other side of the album page ,relaxes the gum ,releases the stamp and the hinge from the stamp,better mint hinged than mng.Have not looked at it under UV ,not bothered.Strangely enough they all came from Faulkland Island lot .

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muzz8 - 2011-11-05 19:52:00

rebel58 wrote:

So far I have used it on mint stamps stuck to album pages ,a few drops on the stamp or to the other side of the album page ,relaxes the gum ,releases the stamp and the hinge from the stamp,better mint hinged than mng.Have not looked at it under UV ,not bothered.Strangely enough they all came from Faulkland Island lot .

Has anyone had adverse effects with such Fluid.

Certainly sounds like a good way to at least clean-up poorly hinged stamps from multihinge to just hinged.

Some older stamps were hinged with part of the sheet margins or selvedge. The latter was difficult to remove, would the UHU give the same results ?

philafarinz - 2011-11-05 22:55:00

muzz8 wrote:

read properly 1/3rd of 1985 catalogue (26 years old) only specialist catalogue i had that would show rare varieties- probally more likely 20-25 % of 2011 value

The problem with selling forgeries cheaply is that some see this as a means to pocket their own greed and sell as genuine to the unaware.

philafarinz - 2011-11-05 22:58:00

philafarinz wrote:

The problem with selling forgeries cheaply is that some see this as a means to pocket their own greed and sell as genuine to the unaware.

Be very careful although it might be too late .You have implied that Murray is a crook and cheat's people by selling forgeries .
I think an apology is called for to Murray,delete the post,and hope that someone does not report it to Tademe.

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muzz8 - 2011-11-06 09:37:00

rebel58 wrote:

Be very careful although it might be too late .You have implied that Murray is a crook and cheat's people by selling forgeries .
I think an apology is called for to Murray,delete the post,and hope that someone does not report it to Tademe.

My Statement:-The problem with selling forgeries cheaply is that some see this as a means to pocket their own greed and sell as genuine to the unaware.

Get this straight - I am not concerned with anyone, selling wherever, and at what price. My statement was for the general community not to anyone specific. Should any one think it applies to himself, that is his problem.

philafarinz - 2011-11-06 10:19:00

muzz8 wrote:

What are you saying-

Does not warrant a reply

philafarinz - 2011-11-06 10:24:00

philafarinz wrote:

My Statement:-The problem with selling forgeries cheaply is that some see this as a means to pocket their own greed and sell as genuine to the unaware.

Get this straight - I am not concerned with anyone, selling wherever, and at what price. My statement was for the general community not to anyone specific. Should any one think it applies to himself, that is his problem.

Sorry but the implication was made when you made your forgery statment using Murrays Quote as an example here it is to refresh your dwindling memory.
muzz8 wrote:

read properly 1/3rd of 1985 catalogue (26 years old) only specialist catalogue i had that would show rare varieties- probally more likely 20-25 % of 2011 value

The problem with selling forgeries cheaply is that some see this as a means to pocket their own greed and sell as genuine to the unaware.

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rebel58 - 2011-11-06 10:58:00

I do have a problem with persons or person that come into this thread tell us the way to describe stamps/alter termanology to suit themselves and in the meantime have their own web site selling stamps not using their termanoligy properly in all of their auctions..

rebel58 - 2011-11-06 11:25:00

all, I have always enjoy this sub forum as many regulars in this sub forum, one way or another, have been very helpful in helping newbies with the valuation of their stamps. Any chance for the month of November, we dropped the alphabet soup wars on MUH, HUM, MH, HM. H, M, H on tabs, No gummed, regummed, MH remant and the list goes on. Why not for a start, all the regulars, share with us you favourite stamps/covers that you have?

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muzz8 - 2011-11-06 11:35:00

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muzz8 - 2011-11-06 11:36:00

And before you ask who is this I will tell you work it out for yourself.I will give you clues to who it is.
#1. It it is not any of the reputable Dealers that that sell on Trademe
this past 11 months and contribute to this thread.
#2. Twg1935,Donaldo,Loision,Dunedi-
nstamps,Kiwi Steven,Stak are highly reputable Dealers and do contribute here from time to time and all have contributed in the last 11 months so it is not them.

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rebel58 - 2011-11-06 11:39:00

Did not realize advertising oneself is part and parcel of messages in this community Thread, perhaps admin would do well in deleting the personal attack posts.

philafarinz - 2011-11-06 12:14:00

philafarinz wrote:

Did not realize advertising oneself is part and parcel of messages in this community Thread, perhaps admin would do well in deleting the personal attack posts.[/quoteI

I have not advertised myself ,wrong yet again.Your acusations are a bit over the top all random and false.Who are you going to acuse of wrong doing etc etc now?Implicated that Murray sells forged stamps and that I am self advertising.Perhaps Trademe should look into this?

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rebel58 - 2011-11-06 13:37:00

Regumming perked my interest some time ago as I had some nice MNH 1898 Pictorials that I had to clean up (tone) and became MNG.Looked on the Internet and got a recipie for regumming.Found one and got to work had to make a substitue for Karo Corn starch and that worked . Played with the formula to vary the shade of the gum. then looked at at them under a Microscope and saw the tell tale gum resdue over the perfs .Evidently Files are made to remove this but I coulnt be bothered. Licked them and stuck them to a piece of paper soaked them off and sold then as MNG.
I do realise I will be acused of being a Forger now but so be it, but I will be in good company with Muzz.

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rebel58 - 2011-11-06 14:13:00

So is everyone ready to post a 11-11-11 letter to himself to get the 111111 cancellation ?

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donaldo - 2011-11-06 14:59:00

donaldo wrote:

well we now have forgers to stand besides the likes of SPERATI--i guess the government could buy them out before they compete against nz post

it mite be too late already tho .. praps if they sell NZ Post & keep the bank things mite improve ;-)

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donaldo - 2011-11-07 17:45:00

donaldo wrote:

naughty[/quote
]No Don you are naughty, dont you know that there is one rule for us and yet another that was made up for another ?

rebel58 - 2011-11-07 18:19:00

Why naughty ?

Something for Trade Me to possibly incorporate for a fee.

Better than bumping it up !

philafarinz - 2011-11-07 18:20:00

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muzz8 - 2011-11-07 19:08:00

muzz8 wrote:

Ok-I well swap my ltd edition 2011 rugby minisheet,and a red catseye marble -for a set of 1906 chch exhibition-must be UHM -do not care if they have light pencil notations on gum,as long as they have no hinge or hinge remnants-or handling folds/creases-let me know when you want to do swapssies

Both parties must agree on an exchange, not only a question of what you have but also what is offered that would suit you.

if Trade Me could facilitate such transactions.

Example. X offers New Zealand mint 1999 to 2005 complete MNH for Tuvalu 1990-1998 MNH - I need ...- I offer.

Of course it may not be in Trade Me's interest for stamps anyhow, but we do not know this. I may be more lucrative to swop Houses or boats etc.

Just a thought

philafarinz - 2011-11-07 20:34:00

philafarinz wrote:

Both parties must agree on an exchange, not only a question of what you have but also what is offered that would suit you.

if Trade Me could facilitate such transactions.

Example. X offers New Zealand mint 1999 to 2005 complete MNH for Tuvalu 1990-1998 MNH - I need ...- I offer.

Of course it may not be in Trade Me's interest for stamps anyhow, but we do not know this. I may be more lucrative to swop Houses or boats etc.

Just a thought

If you are going to talk the talk then walk the walk.Get in touch with Trademe I am sure they will love the idea.This in fact is one of your better ideas (upon reflection) and you should make it so.

rebel58 - 2011-11-07 22:04:00

Admin reads the messages and if they may see any advantage for them they may implement. More thought and workable method would however be required.

philafarinz - 2011-11-07 23:02:00

To the removal of my post #3538 which was a question pure and simple within the TM rules as there was a questionmark at the end I have the following to to state:-... ...............

Note the difference - no question mark of which there are many in these threads !

philafarinz - 2011-11-08 08:35:00

ang_ck wrote:

all, Why not for a start, all the regulars, share with us you favourite stamps/covers that you have?

Note the question - Show us some.
Hopefully you will get no derogatory, poor English or text messages as replies.
Aside - A spell checker for these posts would be most helpful for some if used and noncompliants banned.

philafarinz - 2011-11-08 09:09:00

philafarinz wrote:

Note the question - Show us some.
Hopefully you will get no derogatory, poor English or text messages as replies.
Aside - A spell checker for these posts would be most helpful for some if used and noncompliants banned.

You are not German by any chance?
Bugger the Spell check and try your best ,miss spelt words and typos welcome .We want to encourage people to post, new people,create new stamp collectors ,people who cant spell proper or use English correctly,(me included)Answer questions when asked .Dont answer a Question with another .

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