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Welcome to the Coin Club. We are an assortment of newbies, amateurs and experts with questions and answers for newbies, amateurs and experts in coin collecting, also known as numismatics. Whether you are just getting started, have been collecting for years or have simply found some old coins about the place that you’d like to sell, this is the place to ask your questions.

No one has all the answers, and you may get five differing answers to the same question, yet each may be right in a manner of speaking, especially if opinions are involved. Opinions often vary. If you receive no answer to your query within 48 hours, please ask again.

echoriath - 2014-02-23 01:50:00
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Stats of interest:

In the previous four pages, we've had posts by 13 regular/irregulars and 12 newbs/guests. Well done the lot of ya! Not wanting to spit into the wind, but very nice to see us keeping this thread on track.

echoriath - 2014-02-23 02:08:00
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What's up with 697135591 - Am I missing something here?

justinian1 - 2014-02-23 20:07:00
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justinian1 wrote:

What's up with 697135591 - Am I missing something here?

At a guess, someone is running up until the "15% below reserve" flag comes up. I don't recognise the coin above the HK$ on pic 2 - anyone know what it is? Maybe I'm just looking at the wrong angle.

translateltd - 2014-02-23 20:47:00
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theram1 - 2014-02-23 20:56:00
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theram1 wrote:

Looks like a 500 won coin from Korea

Well done - thanks! I see from the catalogue that it is upside-down, which probably didn't help :-)

translateltd - 2014-02-23 21:13:00
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justinian1 wrote:

What's up with 697135591 - Am I missing something here?

I think someone is trolling the seller, lol

lbillows - 2014-02-24 13:05:00
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Couple stumbles upon $10 million in rare coins

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/daily-extras/calif-couple
-strike-10-million-gold-coin-bonanza

malcdeb - 2014-02-26 16:58:00
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Hi There, not sure if this is the right place to post.
I inherited a satchel (10kg) of mostly pennies plus a some half pennies. They range from around 1910 to 1960 from the handful I looked at. My mum's told me to take them to a dealer but I'm afraid I'll get conned. I'd rather figure out what I'm looking for. Something to do on a rainy day! I believe there are books or something I should look at, but I have no idea what they are? Any tips would be appreciated.
Cheers!

kareal - 2014-02-26 21:10:00
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Probably little chance of getting conned over a bag of pennies, in all honesty. If they're in the normal sort of state that you find pennies in - circulated, worn, damaged, etc. - then they're probably not going to be worth more than the value of the copper in them. There's a very, very, VERY slight chance that you could strike it lucky with an Aussie 1930 penny or some other scarce variety, but realistically I wouldn't get too many hopes up. Sorry if that sounds too negative - not meaning to be at all. You could have some fun sorting out the different types and learning about them all, but the $$$ side is probably not what to focus on with these.

translateltd - 2014-02-26 21:47:00
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Not negative at all! Thanks for your reply! I realise that they're probably mostly scrap metal. I'd just rather have the pleasure of the hunt than have someone give me $20 for the bag. I had a look on trademe and saw something about the queen missing a sleeve. One of the first coins I looked at she is indeed missing a sleeve, so I probably got a bit too excited (please keep that in context, haha!)

kareal - 2014-02-26 22:51:00
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The one in the NZ series that's worth a bit of a premium is the 1956 penny on which there is no shoulder strap. This is normal on 1953-55 coins - take one from that period and compare it with one from 1957-64 to see what I mean. Both types exist for 1956 but the "strapless" ones are scarcer. To check if it's not just worn, have a look at the very bottom of the Queen's effigy - along the base there should be the initials M.G.; these will be much clearer on the "strapless" coins than they are on the "with-strap" ones, because the whole die that the coins were struck from was re-cut, and there are numerous other minor differences to tell one type from the other.

translateltd - 2014-02-27 08:27:00
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Also better years are 1941 and 1954 pennies because of lowest mintage but would need very good quality coins to attain higher value.

The 1945 "burnished" penny is also of better value. This coin was blackened on purpose during minting to discourage people hoarding the nice shiny coins after the war.

wasgonna - 2014-02-27 13:35:00
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oldecurb - 2014-02-27 23:12:00
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malcdeb wrote:

Couple stumbles upon $10 million in rare coins

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/daily-extras/calif-couple
-strike-10-million-gold-coin-bonanza

Hahaha, I found that about three hours after you posted it. I rushed in here to post it, only to see you had already done so.

Good on ya!

echoriath - 2014-02-27 23:39:00
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The 1925 Australian Penny is also one to get a little excited about!!

cashintheattic - 2014-02-28 08:58:00
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Martin, I cannot email at the moment, but please put my name on the list re. token book.

echoriath - 2014-02-28 10:22:00
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echoriath wrote:

Martin, I cannot email at the moment, but please put my name on the list re. token book.

Done - will send a follow-up directly.

translateltd - 2014-02-28 11:40:00
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oldecurb - 2014-03-01 20:20:00
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That sounds within tolerance to me, but as you say, the forgers are getting better these days! I was shown a Morgan dollar that looked suspicious last week - it had that gunmetal grey look of a "Shanghai Special" though the design detail wasn't suspicious to the naked eye. It proved to be several whole grams underweight, though.

translateltd - 2014-03-01 20:49:00
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oldecurb - 2014-03-01 22:39:00
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Seems there can be variations in planchett thickness, too, that might cause significant legitimate differences in original weight.

echoriath - 2014-03-02 13:14:00
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echoriath wrote:

Seems there can be variations in planchett thickness, too, that might cause significant legitimate differences in original weight.

There would have to be a legally prescribed tolerance, though, otherwise the underweight coins would be rejected at the mint.

translateltd - 2014-03-02 14:11:00
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Can anyone tell me what these coins are pretty please?

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/306998563.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/306998608.jpg

and

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/306998771.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/306998839.jpg

Thanks guys

cashintheattic - 2014-03-03 19:24:00
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First: Thailand 1 baht, BE 2505 (= 1962, but frozen date for many years afterwards)
Second: Egypt: 2/10 guerche (many variant spellings - ghurush/qirsh etc), or also transcribed as 2 ochr-el-guerche, which means the same thing. AH 1327 year 6 = AD 1914.

translateltd - 2014-03-03 19:52:00
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Are they silver at all? Thanks Translateltd

cashintheattic - 2014-03-03 19:54:00
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I have found out the Thai Baht is not silver but cannot for the life of me find anything about the Egyptian coin

cashintheattic - 2014-03-03 19:59:00
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cashintheattic wrote:

I have found out the Thai Baht is not silver but cannot for the life of me find anything about the Egyptian coin

Copper nickel for that denomination and date.

justinian1 - 2014-03-03 20:33:00
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translateltd wrote:

That sounds within tolerance to me, but as you say, the forgers are getting better these days! I was shown a Morgan dollar that looked suspicious last week - it had that gunmetal grey look of a "Shanghai Special" though the design detail wasn't suspicious to the naked eye. It proved to be several whole grams underweight, though.


Hi all, I've got a trade dollar 1921 in plastic case which is screwed together (trade dollar is printed inside on white perspex? surround). Had it for years was my fathers how can I tell if its a real one. And if it is are the older years worth more. Thanks

karmae - 2014-03-04 13:28:00
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karmae wrote:


Hi all, I've got a trade dollar 1921 in plastic case which is screwed together (trade dollar is printed inside on white perspex? surround). Had it for years was my fathers how can I tell if its a real one. And if it is are the older years worth more. Thanks

Best if you could post a picture for starters. US trade dollars weren't made that late, but ordinary Morgan/Peace dollars were made in 1921. Or is it a British one with the standing Britannia reverse?

Edited by translateltd at 4:04 pm, Tue 4 Mar

translateltd - 2014-03-04 16:02:00
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Will post pic have to get some camera batteries. Yes its US and says trade dollar on surround

karmae - 2014-03-04 17:02:00
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Looking at pics on net I see its a Morgan dollar.
Pic is through the plastic case.
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/307144047.jpg

karmae - 2014-03-04 19:48:00
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Someone put it in the incorrect holder, possibly having removed an actual Trade Dollar, which is a very specific coin type. Google is your friend.

As for this Morgan, it looks like a very nice specimen.

echoriath - 2014-03-04 20:15:00
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How about this one,
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/307153422.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/307153557.jpg
The weight is around 29 grams but it looks very suspect.
I think I got it in a jar of coins .

lester36 - 2014-03-04 20:38:00
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If it's actually 29 grams, that's quite overweight. I'd offer a ray of hope by saying that my knowledge of such early US coins is pretty limited, and that dies varied in early US coins (which is true enough), etc., but a number of things don't look right about it, particularly the date and stars.

Setting aside from my own shared suspicions, if you look well down this page you'll find what looks like the exact thing you have labeled "Oldie":

http://drapedbustcoins.reidgold.com/page_7.html

Especially look at the extra bits of metal at the top and bottom of the olive branch. There are a fair few of these on the reverse, and the stars look very similar on both yours and the one above.

echoriath - 2014-03-04 21:46:00
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oldecurb - 2014-03-04 22:11:00
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echoriath wrote:

If it's actually 29 grams, that's quite overweight. I'd offer a ray of hope by saying that my knowledge of such early US coins is pretty limited, and that dies varied in early US coins (which is true enough), etc., but a number of things don't look right about it, particularly the date and stars.

Setting aside from my own shared suspicions, if you look well down this page you'll find what looks like the exact thing you have labeled "Oldie":

http://drapedbustcoins.reidgold.com/page_7.html

Especially look at the extra bits of metal at the top and bottom of the olive branch. There are a fair few of these on the reverse, and the stars look very similar on both yours and the one above.

Very interisting link Thanks.
Yes it look exactly the same as the "Oldie"
It would be interesting to know when they were actually made.

Just a note The book mentioned in that link "Counterfeit Mis-struck and Unofficial U.S Coins by Don Taxay , is in my personal collection of coin books (1963 1st edition).
I may have to give it a read.
Thanks again.

lester36 - 2014-03-04 22:20:00
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Yeah, that is an interesting page. I've not seen it before. Sorry it's not real. That would be an exciting find! Anyway, glad to help.

echoriath - 2014-03-04 23:30:00
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Several mystery pieces of my own:

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/307181803.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/307181866.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/307181906.jpg

I'm reasonably certain the sides are correctly matched. I'm seeing dates now that I can look more closely with the editing software, and the first two look to be 17th century, but I don't know where they're from. I think the last is Russian and 18th century. I thought the Russian one was 1771 or thereabouts, but the date looks more like 1731 or thereabouts.

echoriath - 2014-03-05 00:12:00
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1. Try Kampen in the Netherlands. (MO ARG IMP BELG CAMPEN - silver coin of the empire / Belgium (i.e. Low Countries, I guess) / Campen)
2. West Friesland (similar legend, ending WES)
You can google the abbreviated legends for more detail. The coins are dated but one of the digits on one of them looks worn/obscured.
3. Looks to be a novodel rather than a standard circulating coin - can you email me the pictures of this one directly so I can check the detail more closely pse?

Edited by translateltd at 7:36 am, Wed 5 Mar

translateltd - 2014-03-05 07:34:00
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thanks. Let me see if I can a better pic.

echoriath - 2014-03-05 10:06:00
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Apparently I will be able to provide MUCH better photos after I pop by the auction house tonight. Some very ..... peculiar Russian/Cyrillic bits in addition to the coins. And some of them are just bits, but again with Cyrillic (or maybe just Greek) lettering.

echoriath - 2014-03-05 12:24:00
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And there IS a 1771 five kopek, but it does not match the corresponding photo at NGC. The paper with it describes it as "tread edge". The third pic above is dated 1739 with St. George and the dragon on the date side.

echoriath - 2014-03-05 12:28:00
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echoriath wrote:

And there IS a 1771 five kopek, but it does not match the corresponding photo at NGC. The paper with it describes it as "tread edge". The third pic above is dated 1739 with St. George and the dragon on the date side.

Is that a countermark on the coin in your 3rd pic? I thought it was an overlaid detail enlargement at first. The letters are too fine and the design detail doesn't match the circulating coinage, which is why I thought it was probably a novodel. That wouldn't explain the counterstamp though. Probably needs a more specialised catalogue than I have, or some serious googling. Ask on worldofcoins(dot)eu - one of the European experts there is bound to know something about it.

translateltd - 2014-03-05 12:40:00
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If the "tread edge" is a sort of criss-cross pattern where you'd normally find milling on a modern coin, that's standard on the Catherine II 5-kopeks, from memory. I seem to recall the ones I've had are the same. If there are major differences in design detail, though, that may be a novodel too. Unless it's a Siberian issue, now I think of it - they were dated 1771.

translateltd - 2014-03-05 12:42:00
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oldecurb - 2014-03-05 22:02:00
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Hey Oldecurb was that at Haywards?

cashintheattic - 2014-03-05 22:33:00
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Haywards? Where is that?

Good on ya, Bruce. That was a nice lot.

echoriath - 2014-03-05 23:28:00
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translateltd wrote:

If the "tread edge" is a sort of criss-cross pattern where you'd normally find milling on a modern coin, that's standard on the Catherine II 5-kopeks, from memory. I seem to recall the ones I've had are the same. If there are major differences in design detail, though, that may be a novodel too. Unless it's a Siberian issue, now I think of it - they were dated 1771.

At least a few of these are Siberian. It took magnification and sounding it out for me to figure that out. I've e-mail you a few pix of the yet-to-be identified.

Novodels were unfamiliar to me, but I am reading up on them. The 1739 does have an inset/counterstamp that looks to be the two-headed eagle with the initials SPB in English, so CПБ. Don't know if that last bit in Cyrillic will work on here.

I found a site on wire money, which the bits appear to be. I think I am finding ПЕTP on a couple of them, but that might just be wishful thinking.

echoriath - 2014-03-06 00:59:00
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Over the top, lads.

echoriath - 2014-03-06 00:59:00
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