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Welcome to the Coin Club. We are an assortment of newbies, amateurs and experts with questions and answers for newbies, amateurs and experts in coin collecting, also known as numismatics. Whether you are just getting started, have been collecting for years or have simply found some old coins about the place that you’d like to sell, this is the place to ask your questions.

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translateltd - 2014-02-14 08:04:00
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funkytrendz - 2014-02-14 11:12:00
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1933 3ds are not high-price items - catalogue price in "average circulated" condition is $3, which is essentially a dealer's handling charge, unfortunately. I'd recommend against cleaning, though, regardless. Make absolutely sure it's not dated 1935, as that would be a different story :-)

translateltd - 2014-02-14 12:57:00
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funkytrendz - 2014-02-14 13:26:00
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funkytrendz wrote:

why is 1935 a different story, i think that is the only year we dont have, will recheck though

There were only 40,000 3ds made in 1935 - a special order at the request of the Numismatic Society at the time - as originally there weren't going to be any at all. Compare that to six million in both 1933 and 1934 and you'll see they're a lot scarcer, and pricier accordingly.

translateltd - 2014-02-14 13:55:00
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funkytrendz - 2014-02-14 15:58:00
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With all the excitement over double date nickels.

How about this
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/304595656.jpg
I found this tonight going throu some new coins.
1948 Threepence on the Head side the legend is doubled.

How unusual would it be .

lester36 - 2014-02-14 19:48:00
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lester36 wrote:

With all the excitement over double date nickels.

How about this
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/304595656.jpg
I found this tonight going throu some new coins.
1948 Threepence on the Head side the legend is doubled.

How unusual would it be .

Interesting - is there doubling on the King's head at all, or the designer's initials? I'm wondering if the whole side suffers from equal doubling (and on the reverse too?) - could the coin have wobbled a bit during striking if it wasn't firmly set in the collar? Either that or it's "hub doubling" in which the die itself would have picked up the doubling effect during its own production process, in which case you'd expect a reasonable number of coins - a full die run of whatever quantity - with the same problem.

translateltd - 2014-02-14 19:57:00
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The whole of the head side appears to be doubled but I can not see anything on the other side, apart from a small die crack at the 2nd A of Zealand

lester36 - 2014-02-14 20:08:00
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Sounds like hub doubling - anyone reading who has a reasonable number of 1948 3ds, pse check the obverses and report back! I'll see if I can find any over the weekend.

translateltd - 2014-02-14 20:32:00
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translateltd wrote:

Sounds like hub doubling - anyone reading who has a reasonable number of 1948 3ds, pse check the obverses and report back! I'll see if I can find any over the weekend.


Just did a random check on 40 coins and came across 3 the same. Nothing on reverse also.

gammoner - 2014-02-14 22:46:00
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gammoner wrote:


Just did a random check on 40 coins and came across 3 the same. Nothing on reverse also.

With a mintage of 4 million, and assuming one die run was about 100,000 coins, we could expect 1 in 40 for a single run. For a small sample that's not bad, though I'm no statistician :-) Of course, a damaged hub could have produced more than one die.

translateltd - 2014-02-14 23:16:00
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translateltd wrote:

With a mintage of 4 million, and assuming one die run was about 100,000 coins, we could expect 1 in 40 for a single run. For a small sample that's not bad, though I'm no statistician :-) Of course, a damaged hub could have produced more than one die.


Next rainy day will do another 100 or so and see what results come out of that mix of 1948's

gammoner - 2014-02-14 23:24:00
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Hey guys can you please tell me what this coin is??

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/304786148.jpg

cashintheattic - 2014-02-16 11:06:00
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cashintheattic wrote:

Hey guys can you please tell me what this coin is??

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/304786148.jpg[/
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Greece, silver drachma, 1910. Same silver standard as the French franc, Italian lira, etc., from the 1860s on (Latin Monetary Union). Struck in Paris (privy marks by the date).

Edited by translateltd at 11:26 am, Sun 16 Feb

translateltd - 2014-02-16 11:24:00
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Thanks Translateltd

cashintheattic - 2014-02-16 11:25:00
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Can anyone tell me what this is.... It does say India and native states in the folder I bought it in....

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/304794321.jpg

cashintheattic - 2014-02-16 12:05:00
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translateltd wrote:

With a mintage of 4 million, and assuming one die run was about 100,000 coins, we could expect 1 in 40 for a single run. For a small sample that's not bad, though I'm no statistician :-) Of course, a damaged hub could have produced more than one die.

2 out of 36 found here, more-or-less in line with the theory ...
No reverse die crack, though, so either a different die pairing or an earlier stage in the process.

Edited by translateltd at 12:53 pm, Sun 16 Feb

translateltd - 2014-02-16 12:45:00
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cashintheattic wrote:

Can anyone tell me what this is.... It does say India and native states in the folder I bought it in....

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/304794321.jpg[/
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Not me this time - very specialised knowledge needed for these. Suggest you ask at worldofcoins(dot)eu - there are collectors from India there who know these series well and can usually pinpoint them.

translateltd - 2014-02-16 12:46:00
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oldecurb - 2014-02-16 18:04:00
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One of the members on the RNSNZ Facebook page reports a 2009 50c with what looks like a filled die error - the JB initials are so faint the B is virtually invisible. Would be interested to hear if anyone finds any more.

translateltd - 2014-02-16 18:39:00
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695944286
Quick, get out your 6d collections and list NOW

gammoner - 2014-02-17 20:41:00
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gammoner wrote:

695944286
Quick, get out your 6d collections and list NOW

Bidding frenzy - gracious.

translateltd - 2014-02-17 21:44:00
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oldecurb - 2014-02-17 22:46:00
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Impressive price for those coins. Depending on your point of view bidding wars are a good or a bad thing!

ETA - But that of course is why we have a quartel.

Edited by chrisr5 at 8:55 am, Tue 18 Feb

chrisr5 - 2014-02-18 08:54:00
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I notice the Napoleon Bonaparte Medal is still up for auction over 3 years down the line and the price is coming down. I predict another bidding frenzy at some point or not.

chrisr5 - 2014-02-18 08:57:00
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Not coin related but yesterday I got my first 2013 Wheeler banknote in my change ($20). Anyone else had one yet?

lbillows - 2014-02-18 22:05:00
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lbillows wrote:

Not coin related but yesterday I got my first 2013 Wheeler banknote in my change ($20). Anyone else had one yet?

Had one here a couple of weeks ago but it had been folded before it reached me ... so on it went on its merry way.

translateltd - 2014-02-18 22:50:00
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Intrigued by item 698058808 - wonder if the "rock" is actually rusted metal encasing the coin. I still can't make the coin out but it's certainly an unusual item.

translateltd - 2014-02-19 18:40:00
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oldecurb - 2014-02-19 22:26:00
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oldecurb - 2014-02-19 22:46:00
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I assume it would have to be a high-res photo to start with. Blow any of these up and they just get pixellated.

translateltd - 2014-02-20 08:53:00
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I think some of those shows achieve results through pure Hollywood magic. Its not impossible, but it takes real high end software. Even then, a lot depends on original image quality.

Also, I think a lot of folks are losing resolution when uploading. I suspect some are uploading to another site, then transferring to TM with a huge loss of resolution along the way.

echoriath - 2014-02-20 10:07:00
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Interesting read for those who may have missed it . . .

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/9743910/Not-all-money-
will-make-money

wasgonna - 2014-02-20 21:09:00
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Hello

Has anyone had any experience sending a coin away to be graded by the NGC? Which courier option/company did you use to get it there and how much did it cost? Thanks

lbillows - 2014-02-21 14:55:00
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Oh and another question, how does it compare to PCGS? Which would you use and why?

lbillows - 2014-02-21 15:59:00
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I enquired about sending quite an expensive coin overseas by courier a few years ago and the conditions they wanted to impose were prohibitive - to the point where every individual handover between couriers had to be logged otherwise the insurance cover would be invalid, for instance.
However, depending on the nature and value of the item, the postage arrangements worked out between the RNSNZ and NZ Post for international consignments may be suitable for what you need.

translateltd - 2014-02-21 18:04:00
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Thanks for your help. I think it would be worth sending away but no desperate rush.

Another question, sorry! I just happened upon this auction http://www.trademe.co.nz/antiques-collectables/coins/new-zea
land-predecimal/other/auction-696982423.htm
and realised I have one of these too. It says George Duns Sumner Nov. 7. I see you asked a question on that auction translateltd, so I was wondering if you could tell me more about it?

Thanks

lbillows - 2014-02-22 00:59:00
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I have uploaded a photo if that helps
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/--w3zZ1IRPYY/UwdBvhU3plI/A
AAAAAAAAZs/bNCetynTbtA/w536-h510-no/photo+%252813%2529.JPG

lbillows - 2014-02-22 01:09:00
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They were "strike your own" medals made at the exhibition in 1906-07. The Morel catalogue (& supplement) lists all the names and legends known, but of course new ones are turning up all the time. There are a couple with Australian addresses on, and I get the odd enquiry from Oz too, wondering how that could be. Of course, anyone could have anything they like struck on them, usually their name and home town and/or a date. The fun ones to look for are those with the added details on what should be the "plain" side, if the blank was put in the machine upside down.

Edited by translateltd at 7:36 am, Sat 22 Feb

translateltd - 2014-02-22 07:36:00
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PS - is it OK if I keep the details and photo of your one? I'm updating the list of new discoveries as I see them.

translateltd - 2014-02-22 07:39:00
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Thanks again for sharing your knowledge with us. Very interesting. No problem if you keep details of my one.

lbillows - 2014-02-22 08:37:00
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I have 2 This shape
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/305698958.jpg
This one unrecorded,New Zealand.
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/305698917.jpg
And this one from Disneyland 1973

lester36 - 2014-02-22 13:40:00
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any thoughts on the 1965 NZ balloted proof set versus the 1965 polished coins set available in much greater quantity. I'm guessing the balloted set is of a much higher proof quality?

dtpapa - 2014-02-22 19:11:00
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lester36 wrote:

I have 2 This shape
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/305698958.jpg
This one unrecorded,New Zealand.
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/305698917.jpg
And this one from Disneyland 1973

Thanks for sharing both - I like the Disneyland one, proof that similar machines were still in use 70 or so years later.

translateltd - 2014-02-22 19:14:00
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dtpapa wrote:

any thoughts on the 1965 NZ balloted proof set versus the 1965 polished coins set available in much greater quantity. I'm guessing the balloted set is of a much higher proof quality?

As I understand it, it's a difference of packaging only.
The "full proofs" are a different matter again, and were for VIPs and institutional collections, with a mintage of only 10 sets. However, some dispute whether even they are of any higher quality, as they're quite difficult to tell apart from the "semi-proofs" when separated from their packaging.

translateltd - 2014-02-22 19:17:00
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This is the other side of the Disneyland one http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/305698866.jpg
The New Zealand one is blank.

Edited by lester36 at 7:57 pm, Sat 22 Feb

lester36 - 2014-02-22 19:57:00
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lester36 wrote:

This is the other side of the Disneyland one http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/305698866.jpg
The New Zealand one is blank.

Very similar, all the same. The centre part is pre-struck, so in theory could carry legends on either or both sides - the Chch one was pre-struck on one side only.

translateltd - 2014-02-22 21:13:00
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I plan on keeping mine, but for interest's sake, what would it potentially go for at auction? Do you think the hole in the one recently auctioned kept the price lower than what could normally expected from a higher grade specimen?

lbillows - 2014-02-22 21:18:00
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lbillows wrote:

I plan on keeping mine, but for interest's sake, what would it potentially go for at auction? Do you think the hole in the one recently auctioned kept the price lower than what could normally expected from a higher grade specimen?

John Bertrand guide price is $100. For a damaged example, the one you mention got a pretty good price, I thought.

translateltd - 2014-02-22 21:35:00
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