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http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/300494584.jpg
Comparison of circulated (serif, top) and proof (non-serif, bottom) dates for 1971. Sorry about the blurring - best shot I could do through the perspex. The second 1 in the proof coin does look to have a slightly different top to the first one, but I can't make out much difference between the 1's in the two versions. The key digit is the 7 - thinner on the "serif" coin with quite a strong downward stroke at top left. It's broader and squatter on the proof coins, with no downward serif at all.

translateltd - 2014-01-17 14:46:00
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translateltd - 2014-01-17 14:53:00
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i thought the only circulation strikes with serifs on them are only the 1971 coins that came from the canberra mint ??...so is this set got serifs on them or not....cheers peter

chefman1 - 2014-01-17 14:56:00
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I always forget which mint did which but you are right - the coins for circulation have the seriffed 7s, the mint (unc/proof) set ones don't.

translateltd - 2014-01-17 15:02:00
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Martin....i think i have work it out...the first 1 is different to the last 1 in date
1971...the first 1 is thinner and the last 1 which is thicker???.. i had a look
at the one cent coin photo he has put up.

Edited by chefman1 at 3:35 pm, Fri 17 Jan

chefman1 - 2014-01-17 15:29:00
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chefman1 wrote:

Martin....i think i have work it out...the first 1 is different to the last 1 in date
1971...the first 1 is thinner and the last 1 which is thicker???.. i had a look
at the one cent coin photo he has put up.

My set on hand is same as sellers. The first 1 in the date of the 1cent is slightly thinner and also is the only number 1 in all the coin dates that is equal in height to the 9, all the others are set slightly higher .

gammoner - 2014-01-17 18:12:00
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for those interested i understand that there will be a nice wide range of early English coins for sale at tomorrow mornings Christchurch Collectibles Fair at Mandeville st, in Riccarton, Christchurch.

kiwisteven - 2014-01-17 18:15:00
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Should have added, all the number 1's after the 7 are also set that little higher. The 20c 1 after the 7 is slightly less raised.

gammoner - 2014-01-17 18:20:00
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oldecurb - 2014-01-20 19:44:00
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There's an item on DN tramway tokens in the next RNSNZ Newsletter that's out shortly - they were only issued for a very short space of time, apparently, which probably explains why most are in top order. They're probably nearly all unused stock. Perhaps circulated ones should command higher prices because they're rarer :-)

Edited by translateltd at 8:38 pm, Mon 20 Jan

translateltd - 2014-01-20 20:36:00
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translateltd wrote:

There'-
s an item on DN tramway tokens in the next RNSNZ Newsletter that's out shortly - they were only issued for a very short space of time, apparently, which probably explains why most are in top order. They're probably nearly all unused stock. Perhaps circulated ones should command higher prices because they're rarer :-)

Back in the early 60's, King's High School in Dunedin used these tokens for "Pie Tokens". We used to pay 9d to get the token (before school started in the morning), and would swap them for a pie at lunch time - saving heaps of time. As a 13 year old, my first go at "dealing" was to buy two each day at 9d, keep the best ones, and sell them for 11 shillings each to Colin McNaught, a coin and stamp dealer in Wellington. After I had sold him around a hundred, which made this teenager quite "wealthy", the market at the time collapsed.

Around 15/20 years ago the balance of these turned up when the Dunedin City Council sold off the contents of the Bus Depot, where they were stored, along with a large quantity of ballot boxes. I ended up buying most of the tokens, which were packed in little packages of 14. My guess is that one originally paid 1/- (12 pence) per packet - getting 2 free.

dunedinstamps - 2014-01-20 22:42:00
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dunedinstamps wrote:

Back in the early 60's, King's High School in Dunedin used these tokens for "Pie Tokens". We used to pay 9d to get the token (before school started in the morning), and would swap them for a pie at lunch time - saving heaps of time. As a 13 year old, my first go at "dealing" was to buy two each day at 9d, keep the best ones, and sell them for 11 shillings each to Colin McNaught, a coin and stamp dealer in Wellington. After I had sold him around a hundred, which made this teenager quite "wealthy", the market at the time collapsed.

Around 15/20 years ago the balance of these turned up when the Dunedin City Council sold off the contents of the Bus Depot, where they were stored, along with a large quantity of ballot boxes. I ended up buying most of the tokens, which were packed in little packages of 14. My guess is that one originally paid 1/- (12 pence) per packet - getting 2 free.

Great background - thanks!

translateltd - 2014-01-21 07:37:00
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Non sequitur: Unfortunately, I have minimal confidence in auctions where people announce that they are "selling on behalf" or have "listed on behalf".

echoriath - 2014-01-22 19:57:00
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echoriath wrote:

Non sequitur: Unfortunately, I have minimal confidence in auctions where people announce that they are "selling on behalf" or have "listed on behalf".

Haven't really thought about it before, but does it add anything to the sale? It's probably not "useful information", though on the rare occasions when I've sold on behalf I've usually said so :-)

translateltd - 2014-01-22 20:15:00
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http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/301230517.jpg
I have here a penny 1946 with a lump on the P of the penny , is this an error or a varity ?

lester36 - 2014-01-22 21:35:00
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lester36 wrote:

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full
/301230517.jpg

I have here a penny 1946 with a lump on the P of the penny , is this an error or a varity ?

My rough rule of thumb is that varieties are deliberate - someone re-cuts the dies, for instance, introducing minor changes - while errors are not (dies break, or humans stuff up). So this would be an error - a cud caused by a chipped die, most likely.

translateltd - 2014-01-22 21:57:00
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translateltd wrote:

My rough rule of thumb is that varieties are deliberate - someone re-cuts the dies, for instance, introducing minor changes - while errors are not (dies break, or humans stuff up). So this would be an error - a cud caused by a chipped die, most likely.

Thanks for that.

Another one to add to my growing collection of ERRORS

lester36 - 2014-01-22 22:45:00
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translateltd wrote:

Haven't really thought about it before, but does it add anything to the sale? It's probably not "useful information", though on the rare occasions when I've sold on behalf I've usually said so :-)

In fairness, I should clarify that I learned the hard way to ask if the person listing will be doing the shipping. That's what caught me out in the past, and the incident still irks me a bit. The on behalf person dd the shipping, but sent to incorrect address.

echoriath - 2014-01-22 23:05:00
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translateltd wrote:

My rough rule of thumb is that varieties are deliberate - someone re-cuts the dies, for instance, introducing minor changes - while errors are not (dies break, or humans stuff up). So this would be an error - a cud caused by a chipped die, most likely.

Hmmm, I never really thought about the distinction before. That's a good way to think of it.

echoriath - 2014-01-22 23:19:00
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echoriath wrote:

Hmmm, I never really thought about the distinction before. That's a good way to think of it.

Thanks! It also means I'll need to reword bits of the "varieties" guide in this year's catalogue :-) Looking at it again now I was a bit slack with the definitions last year.

translateltd - 2014-01-23 08:52:00
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Hi....martin i thought you might be interest in this...regular nz 1940 half/crown coin
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/301349198.jpg

chefman1 - 2014-01-23 18:45:00
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chefman1 wrote:

Hi....martin i thought you might be interest in this...regular nz 1940 half/crown coin
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/301349198.jpg[/
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Thanks, Peter - I think that was later solved. The Mint records stated that 180,000 or so were made in 1940, but those that weren't the Centennial issue (the regular types) were probably dated 1937 or 1941 and would account for 80,000 of those with either of those dates. I'd need to go digging some more but I think that was the outcome.

translateltd - 2014-01-23 20:43:00
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Same story with the 1804 US dollar, as I understand it - the mint records show a number of silver dollars struck that year, but they were all dated 1803 - it had collectors on a wild goose chase for a while. The "real" 1804 dollars are all technically fantasies, struck some decades later to make up sets.

translateltd - 2014-01-24 07:52:00
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HI, Can you tell me what to do with a single coin from the millennium medal collection, please it is in new condition and has written on it
Exploration-Columbus-Magellan--
Vasco Da Gama at the bottom 1492 over 1590.
Thanks

annies3 - 2014-01-24 08:28:00
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annies3 wrote:

HI, Can you tell me what to do with a single coin from the millennium medal collection, please it is in new condition and has written on it
Exploration-Columbus-Magellan--
Vasco Da Gama at the bottom 1492 over 1590.
Thanks

Not a lot of monetary value if that's the underlying question :-) Otherwise you could try and find the rest to build the set up. It's a cheap little series to collect and a low-cost history lesson into the bargain.

translateltd - 2014-01-24 10:18:00
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translateltd wrote:

Not a lot of monetary value if that's the underlying question :-) Otherwise you could try and find the rest to build the set up. It's a cheap little series to collect and a low-cost history lesson into the bargain.


Yes it is quite nice, can you tell me how many were in the set ?

annies3 - 2014-01-24 13:30:00
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annies3 wrote:


Yes it is quite nice, can you tell me how many were in the set ?

21. They were put out by Woolworths and you could get a special album for them.

translateltd - 2014-01-24 14:47:00
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Bump, or indeed beump, in a phony French accent just for a bit of variety.

translateltd - 2014-01-27 08:33:00
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translateltd wrote:

Bump, or indeed beump, in a phony French accent just for a bit of variety.


Speed Bumps in a Jaffa accent.
Hi Martin, had an eye spy of a great aunc 1817 Bull Head with an unknown flaw .An email will be coming your way with some pics for you to ponder from a friend of mine also in Auckland. Won't spoil the show by giving any more details away at this point .All the best,Alan

gammoner - 2014-01-27 17:47:00
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oldecurb - 2014-01-27 22:56:00
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Photo A http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces2695.html

Photo B http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces6106.html

Photo C http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces7861.html

Edited by lbillows at 11:03 pm, Mon 27 Jan

lbillows - 2014-01-27 23:00:00
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Some starters on most of these, at least:
Photo A - Algeria
B & C - Taiwan, as per lbillows' links
D - Yes :-) Try worldofcoins for this one - some of the Indian members will probably be able to tell you more.
E - Gwalior State, India
F - I'm sure Howard had one similar (but older) listed recently - good luck token for a ship (nail hole at the top where attached to the mast? Seems a little too modern but could still be, I guess.
G - Photos right way up. Look under Annam/Vietnam. Denomination is 10 phan/van
H - First photo (two characters) upside down. 2nd photo OK. China, Emperor Ch'ien-lung (Qianlong), 1736-95. Characters on first side are the mintmark - check tables in Krause.

translateltd - 2014-01-27 23:10:00
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Photo F is interesting, I think it is a German trade token, but I couldn't find that specific design in the catalogue. Have a look here for similar tokens

http://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?r=&c=&cj=y
&cat=y&mode=avance&p=1&e=&d=&km=&
;i=PLUS+ULTRA&v=&m=&a=&t=&dg=&w=&
;g=

lbillows - 2014-01-27 23:10:00
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Yes, F does look like some of the Spielmarken on the Numista page. It could be another in the series. Probably worth googling "PLUS ULTRA" and "SHIP" till something turns up. It could be early 20th century German, looking at the fonts. I can't add any more on this one, though.

translateltd - 2014-01-27 23:14:00
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Hey I'm new to coin collecting and I was wondering if you get give me some advice.
Cheers.

livebythecreed - 2014-01-27 23:56:00
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livebythecreed wrote:

Hey I'm new to coin collecting and I was wondering if you get give me some advice.
Cheers.

My advice would be buy a kilogram bulk bag of mixed coins, keep one of each type or each coin that interests you, and start accumulating your collection that way. Put the doubles aside because you can sell them later. You'll quickly discover which types of coins interest you and which ones don't, so you can start to specialise and target your buying more carefully. Try to avoid buying single, expensive coins until you know a bit more about coin grading, catalogue value, potential investment value and so on. If you want to collect NZ coins, all the decimal coins (NZ dollar in contrast to NZ pound) apart from a couple can be obtained very close to if not at face value. NZ pennies is a relatively easy set to complete too. Have fun!

lbillows - 2014-01-28 00:11:00
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lbillows wrote:

My advice would be buy a kilogram bulk bag of mixed coins, keep one of each type or each coin that interests you, and start accumulating your collection that way. Put the doubles aside because you can sell them later. You'll quickly discover which types of coins interest you and which ones don't, so you can start to specialise and target your buying more carefully. Try to avoid buying single, expensive coins until you know a bit more about coin grading, catalogue value, potential investment value and so on. If you want to collect NZ coins, all the decimal coins (NZ dollar in contrast to NZ pound) apart from a couple can be obtained very close to if not at face value. NZ pennies is a relatively easy set to complete too. Have fun!

thanks this helps alot

livebythecreed - 2014-01-28 00:18:00
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livebythecreed wrote:

thanks this helps alot

Good advice. I would also add, get some books on coins from your local library and read them. Doesn't matter if they're about American or English or NZ coins - it will all be good guidance to start with. Armed with knowledge you'll be more aware of what is out there, why it's out there, and hopefully make better buying decisions, even though we all get carried away and make silly mistakes sometimes!

translateltd - 2014-01-28 07:25:00
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oldecurb - 2014-01-30 22:27:00
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Thanks for the follow-up. The folks at WoC have a vast store of knowledge and experience and it's always worth checking there once other avenues have run dry.

translateltd - 2014-01-31 13:17:00
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I understand that the Christchurch Stamp and postcard fair which runs at 67 Mandeville st in Riccarton is expanding its range with coins and tokens and badges starting to appear. Hours are 9am to noon on the first and third Saturdays each month so there will be one today (Ist February). free admission.

kiwisteven - 2014-02-01 01:32:00
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Thanks for that, kiwisteven. Some good and valuable info!

echoriath - 2014-02-01 14:26:00
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saltnpepper - 2014-02-01 14:37:00
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saltnpepper - 2014-02-01 15:02:00
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salt: Have you had a good look at your 1916 Bisons for double dies?

I don't suppose you were in Haywards this week? They had a couple of interesting medallions that look to have been commemoratives issued for deceased WWI soldiers. The strange thing is they were about 120 mm in diameter. There were two, and they appeared to be for a pair of brothers as they had the same middle and last names. The dates on them must have been birth dates as they were late 19th century. One was set in a wooden frame for mounting on a wall. The other was just on its own.

Are you familiar with these?

ETA: Naturally, I neglected to take a photo. One went for about $175.

Edited by echoriath at 3:20 pm, Sat 1 Feb

echoriath - 2014-02-01 15:14:00
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saltnpepper - 2014-02-01 15:22:00
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From memory, I think they were less overt about the manner of death. At first I thought the date was date of death, but I found the name of one of the soldiers here:

http://www.nzwargraves.org.nz/casualties/bernard-cantrell-da
vis

I presume the other (Eric) was his brother.

echoriath - 2014-02-01 15:28:00
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Haha, you pretty much nailed it, Graeme. A private in NZEF KIA in 1917.

ETA: I will be sure to do you a favour and NOT apprise you of when they have good lots of memorabilia up. Happens seldom enough anyway, but no need to tempt you.....

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echoriath - 2014-02-01 15:29:00
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Over the top, boys...

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echoriath - 2014-02-01 15:46:00
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