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Welcome to the Coin Club. We are an assortment of newbies, amateurs and experts with questions and answers for newbies, amateurs and experts in coin collecting, also known as numismatics. Whether you are just getting started, have been collecting for years or have simply found some old coins about the place that you’d like to sell, this is the place to ask your questions.

No one has all the answers, and you may get five differing answers to the
same question, yet each may be right in a manner of speaking, especially if opinions are involved. Opinions often vary. If you receive no answer to your query within 48 hours, please ask again.

Edited by chefman1 at 8:12 pm, Tue 31 Dec

chefman1 - 2013-12-31 20:11:00
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I was going to post this 1942 P Monticello which as far as I could tell had intact steps but the photo doesn't do it justice -

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298338734.jpg

chrisr5 - 2013-12-31 20:14:00
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bugger me not again...
thanxs chris..spoil my night

chefman1 - 2013-12-31 20:14:00
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chefman1 wrote:

bugger me not again...
thanxs chris..spoil my night

LOL never mind - better look on the quadruple sandy!

And happy new ears to one and all!

chrisr5 - 2013-12-31 20:15:00
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muzz8 wrote:

hi- were these coins aussies 1/2d punched one side at a time-almost looks like the roo side was done first and than the heads side has been overdone- sorry no other way of explaing it- even the 19 of 1948 has disappeared and flattened out- have tried to scan but it is hard to capture

The problem with the British coins I mentioned (and probably the Australian ones too) was that the royal effigy was a little too bulky and drew up too much metal when struck, with the result that it was drawn away from the reverse, leaving a slightly incuse "echo" of the king/queen on the other side. They fixed it in the UK in 1926-27 by making the king's head slightly smaller.

translateltd - 2013-12-31 20:35:00
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chrisr5 wrote:

I can understand small countries like those not being able to keep up with their currency but for the Royal mint to produce a coin and then for the country to turn around and refuse to accept it would seem a bit like defaulting on a debt.

Absolutely - that's really poor show. Did they say banks "wouldn't" accept them, or simply that there might be a problem with acceptance (lack of familiarity, etc.)?

translateltd - 2013-12-31 20:36:00
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translateltd wrote:

Absolutely - that's really poor show. Did they say banks "wouldn't" accept them, or simply that there might be a problem with acceptance (lack of familiarity, etc.)?

According to the Guardian it's a case of outright refusal! - http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/sep/05/20-pound-coi
n-royal-mint-dealer-sceptical

Note the last paragraph.

Edited by chrisr5 at 8:42 pm, Tue 31 Dec

chrisr5 - 2013-12-31 20:40:00
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Rocking the triple sandy on new year's eve!!

WOOOOOOOHOOOOO!!!

Roll on 4000 in 2014. I'll be raising a glass of the good stuff in hopes of finding that sixth 1913 Liberty Head Nickel this year!! I know it's out there somewhere. In the meantime, maybe a 1916 double-die Bison.......

echoriath - 2013-12-31 21:14:00
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chrisr5 wrote:

According to the Guardian it's a case of outright refusal! - http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/sep/05/20-pound-coi
n-royal-mint-dealer-sceptical

Note the last paragraph.

Wonder why the writer thinks .999 silver is less valuable than sterling at only .925. Still, it reinforces the idea that coin-like objects really are not a good investment and should be bought only if you actually like them for what they are, with no thought of profit in mind.

translateltd - 2013-12-31 22:09:00
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The linked article on legal tender in the UK is also interesting:

http://www.royalmint.com/aboutus/policies-and-guidelines/leg
al-tender-guidelines

Once again, with emphasis on the last couple of paragraphs. Wonder how many people try to pass off pre-1990 crowns that show no denomination but are only technically 25p pieces, as £5 coins.

translateltd - 2013-12-31 22:12:00
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chrisr5 wrote:

According to the Guardian it's a case of outright refusal! - http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/sep/05/20-pound-coi
n-royal-mint-dealer-sceptical

Note the last paragraph.

These sentences seem mutually exclusive:
"Exclusively available in the UK and only available online....

The coin contains 0.999 silver, which is less valuable than traditional sterling silver, but avoids taxes on precious metal imports in key markets across the far east."

Is it only available to people in the UK?
Presumably not, especially since the internet is in a lot of other places, including the Middle East.

I noted some guidelines on the page regarding legal tender in the UK. I'll read it a bit later, but that's an interesting consideration, given that in the US all circulating coinage is legal tender for all debts public and private, but there is no requirement that it be accepted as such. I actually had a petrol station refuse a $50 note a couple decades back. Granted it was late and in a fairly dodgy area, but I needed gas. They flatly refused to accept it. Not the same as a bank refusing it, but still....

And a bank refusing legal tender just seems crazy.

echoriath - 2013-12-31 22:30:00
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Happy new year ALL

lester36 - 2014-01-01 00:01:00
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Happy 2014, everyone.

translateltd - 2014-01-01 00:10:00
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echoriath wrote:

Rocking the triple sandy on new year's eve!!

WOOOOOOOHOOOOO!!!

Roll on 4000 in 2014. I'll be raising a glass of the good stuff in hopes of finding that sixth 1913 Liberty Head Nickel this year!! I know it's out there somewhere. In the meantime, maybe a 1916 double-die Bison.......

Like this wee find
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298351766.jpg

pottynz - 2014-01-01 00:23:00
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pottynz wrote:

Like this wee find
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298351766.jpg[/
quote]


Very nice.
I think someone will be GREEN with envy

lester36 - 2014-01-01 00:44:00
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pottynz wrote:

Like this wee find
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298351766.jpg[/
quote]

I gather there's a disproportionate number of them in NZ. Something to do with NZ troops traversing Panama during The Groat War - sorry The Great War. Maybe that explains all the 1914-D Bisons as well.

I'll give ya an easy $20 for it.

echoriath - 2014-01-01 01:04:00
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pottynz wrote:

Like this wee find
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298351766.jpg[/
quote]

Very nice indeed. The Buff illustrated in the booklet "Starting a Coin Collection in New Zealand" published in the 90s just happened to be a 16/16, too. I think Tim is right - there may be more in NZ than might normally be expected, so keep your voices down in case someone in the US hears ...

translateltd - 2014-01-01 01:34:00
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echoriath wrote:

3000 just seems a looooooong way away........

BTW, looks like we finally made it!

2 sandies to my name now, who's going to take the fourth? ;-)

chrisr5 - 2014-01-01 01:56:00
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muzz8 - 2014-01-01 08:01:00
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muzz8 - 2014-01-01 08:19:00
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Apart from the registered bag that you mention (which is only really "recorded delivery" within NZ and ordinary mail once it leaves the country), there are just the more expensive Express and Insured options. These aren't generally available for coins (which are technically "prohibited items") but the RNSNZ and the NZ Numismatic Dealers' Assn have a deal running with NZ Post where you can get an exemption as long as you comply with their guidelines. You'd need a membership card for one or the other. Probably worth the $30 RNSNZ membership fee if you're sending stuff overseas regularly :-)

translateltd - 2014-01-01 10:03:00
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echoriath wrote:

I gather there's a disproportionate number of them in NZ. Something to do with NZ troops traversing Panama during The Groat War - sorry The Great War. Maybe that explains all the 1914-D Bisons as well.
I'll give ya an easy $20 for it.

Yes I have believed that for some time Tim. As a dealer , if I find a surprisingly large amount of USA and Middle East silver in the odd jar of coins that come up for sale I usually ask if there had been a relation in WW1. The photo shows about 2 years of local buys so there's still heaps out there. I'm happily waiting for retirement to pick my way through it all. Personally I find US coins a lot more interesting / fun to research than the local stuff.

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298367508.jpg

The 1916 dd went off to Stacks & Bowers last year .... did very well

Edited by pottynz at 10:09 am, Wed 1 Jan

pottynz - 2014-01-01 10:07:00
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translateltd wrote:

Speaking of things sticking to the blank, I thought this one pretty impressive. Not mine but I hope the owner won't mind my sharing:
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298329645.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298329675.jpg[/
quote]


I have one similar to this. Same paperclip issue, but to a lesser degree. I also have a 'blank' of this coin in my collection.

nznotes - 2014-01-01 11:03:00
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679485169 I love the accessory top left photo No 8

lester36 - 2014-01-01 11:36:00
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lester36 wrote:

679485169 I love the accessory top left photo No 8


lol...i wonder if he come's with the coins..???

Edited by chefman1 at 12:03 pm, Wed 1 Jan

chefman1 - 2014-01-01 12:02:00
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pottynz wrote:

The 1916 dd went off to Stacks & Bowers last year .... did very well

Was that the one that had had a jump ring soldered to it? I might be thinking of another one that someone had in here a year or two ago.

echoriath - 2014-01-01 12:25:00
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lester36 wrote:

679485169 I love the accessory top left photo No 8

Not that exciting a set, what's all the buzz about?

chrisr5 - 2014-01-01 12:39:00
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chrisr5 wrote:

Not that exciting a set, what's all the buzz about?


ARE YOU BLIND.....???

chefman1 - 2014-01-01 13:11:00
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Here's one for the books..ONE INTERESTING 1949 CROWN
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298379960.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298379948.jpg

Edited by chefman1 at 1:17 pm, Wed 1 Jan

chefman1 - 2014-01-01 13:13:00
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Just been going turough a big lot of USA 1 cent coins and came accross this
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298381415.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298381396.jpg
any of you USA coin knolagable people know of the signifacance of the date July 1868 ?
And do you think it would be from that age.
It is 2/3rds smaller than the 1 cent coin.

lester36 - 2014-01-01 13:16:00
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echoriath wrote:

Was that the one that had had a jump ring soldered to it? I might be thinking of another one that someone had in here a year or two ago.

That's the one. Even Stacks were surprised at the price. Another thing about about the USA coins here is the quality. I pick up coins from the 1960s - 1990s that were loose change from a holiday or a trip. Because they just got put in the draw they haven't got the usual wear and tear.

pottynz - 2014-01-01 13:35:00
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chrisr5 wrote:

Not that exciting a set, what's all the buzz about?

:-) The seller has good feedback, so won't be a fly-by-nighter ...

Edited by translateltd at 2:30 pm, Wed 1 Jan

translateltd - 2014-01-01 14:30:00
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chefman1 wrote:

Here's one for the books..ONE INTERESTING 1949 CROWN
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298379960.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298379948.jpg[/
quote]

Shanghai special? Would be curious to know the weight.

translateltd - 2014-01-01 14:31:00
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lester36 wrote:

Just been going turough a big lot of USA 1 cent coins and came accross this
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298381415.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298381396.jpg
any of you USA coin knolagable people know of the signifacance of the date July 1868 ?
And do you think it would be from that age.
It is 2/3rds smaller than the 1 cent coin.

Looks like it could be a period piece. Ratification of the 14th amendment, perhaps? http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/14th-amendment-ad
opted

translateltd - 2014-01-01 14:34:00
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pottynz wrote:

That's the one. Even Stacks were surprised at the price.

Curious to know how it went - or the date of the sale to look it up pse :-)
I was lucky enough to sell a couple of these on commission 10-12 years ago, when the US dollar was worth a bit more than it is now.

translateltd - 2014-01-01 14:38:00
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translateltd wrote:

Shanghai special? Would be curious to know the weight.


Here you go Martin
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298393454.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298394426.jpg

Edited by chefman1 at 3:45 pm, Wed 1 Jan

chefman1 - 2014-01-01 15:31:00
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oldecurb - 2014-01-01 15:33:00
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chefman1 wrote:


Here you go Martin
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298393454.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298394426.jpg[/
quote]

Ho ho! It *is* special, then :-)

translateltd - 2014-01-01 15:48:00
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Hey guys... I have just picked up a small collection. There are some coins that I am not sure about. I hope you dont mind if I pick your minds about them please...

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298396047.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298396133.jpg

Is the first one

cashintheattic - 2014-01-01 15:58:00
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and then there is

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298396289.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298396346.jpg

cashintheattic - 2014-01-01 16:00:00
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only 2 more lol

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298396621.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298396807.jpg

The date on this is 1794

cashintheattic - 2014-01-01 16:03:00
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and for now I promise this is the last one. I have found a little bit about this coin so pretty much just looking at what roughly what I should start it at.

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298397412.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298397474.jpg

Thanks in advance for all your help guys

cashintheattic - 2014-01-01 16:05:00
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Oops sorry I also found this one which seems to have some flaws to it....

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298400433.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298400336.jpg

Thanks Guys !!!!

cashintheattic - 2014-01-01 16:35:00
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cashintheattic wrote:

Oops sorry I also found this one which seems to have some flaws to it....

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298400433.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298400336.jpg

Thanks Guys !!!!

At a glance, my theory there is that that was mounted as a broach.

echoriath - 2014-01-01 17:00:00
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yeah now that I look at it a little closer it does seem that way.... Thanks Echoriath

cashintheattic - 2014-01-01 17:05:00
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cashintheattic wrote:

Hey guys... I have just picked up a small collection. There are some coins that I am not sure about. I hope you dont mind if I pick your minds about them please...

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298396047.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298396133.jpg

Is the first one

Look under Brazil for this one - old coins were called in and counterstamped with new values in the mid-1800s.

translateltd - 2014-01-01 17:59:00
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any of you guys watching the cricket... How amazing is this!!!

cashintheattic - 2014-01-01 18:00:00
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cashintheattic wrote:

and then there is

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298396289.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298396346.jpg[/
quote]

A fantasy piece of some sort. Is there any trace of an underlying design (penny, etc.) that it may have been stamped/engraved over?

translateltd - 2014-01-01 18:00:00
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thanks Translateltd Cheers

cashintheattic - 2014-01-01 18:00:00
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cashintheattic wrote:

only 2 more lol

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298396621.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/298396807.jpg

The date on this is 1794

What it says is what it is :-) It's a lot more recent than 1794, though - that will be a foundation date that's on their logo.

translateltd - 2014-01-01 18:01:00
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