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donaldo - 2010-05-21 11:30:00

donaldo wrote:

interesting and this thread has reached another 'mile stone'

thank goodness it wasn't a mill stone
tony

warm3 - 2010-05-22 00:24:00

I have a question about 1893 advert stamps - is there a good way to display them eg a mount/page where one can see both sides by simply turning page?

What do others do in displaying 1893 advert stamps?

robertlyon777 - 2010-05-22 18:16:00

robertlyon777 wrote:

I have a question about 1893 advert stamps - is there a good way to display them eg a mount/page where one can see both sides by simply turning page?

What do others do in displaying 1893 advert stamps?

Best option I have seen is somebody scanning the backs and then printing these scans onto the stamp page just below the mounted stamp itself. take care to make sure you use clear mounts rather than hinge a advert stamp as a hinge on the advert isn't too good!

kiwisteven - 2010-05-22 22:04:00

robertlyon777 wrote:

I have a question about 1893 advert stamps - is there a good way to display them eg a mount/page where one can see both sides by simply turning page?

What do others do in displaying 1893 advert stamps?

My boss collects these. He has a copy of both sides of the sheet they were a part of and displays the ad side only using a hagner page. The stamp is on the page in the location it is on the sheet..

bdreid10 - 2010-05-23 08:26:00

On another topic ... anyone read about the Sweedish "Treskilling Yellow".

bdreid10 - 2010-05-23 08:29:00

Do tell us about the 'Treskilling Yellow'

philafarinz - 2010-05-23 15:30:00

"One of the world's rarest stamps fetched a record price of more than £1.59 million when it was auctioned this weekend at a secret sale in Geneva.

The Swedish Treskilling Yellow is said to be the last surviving misprint of a 1855 three shilling stamp that should have been green.

Auctioneer David Feldman refused to name the buyers or exactly what they paid for it - but claimed it was a record and "at least matched" the US$2.3m (£1.59m) price that it sold for in the 90s"

martincj - 2010-05-23 17:50:00

martincj wrote:

"One of the world's rarest stamps fetched a record price of more than £1.59 million when it was auctioned this weekend at a secret sale in Geneva.

The Swedish Treskilling Yellow is said to be the last surviving misprint of a 1855 three shilling stamp that should have been green.

Auctioneer David Feldman refused to name the buyers or exactly what they paid for it - but claimed it was a record and "at least matched" the US$2.3m (£1.59m) price that it sold for in the 90s"

Martincj I dropped your news on stampboards. This has caused some interest there.

www.stampboards.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=18559

Tony

warm3 - 2010-05-24 00:32:00

Interesting info on Stampboards on the Swedish Treskilling Yellow - regarding whether it was genuine from the experts looking at it and the reconstructed top I think, aside from the past history..

tmg - 2010-05-24 01:15:00

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donaldo - 2010-05-24 17:35:00

bump up!

stak - 2010-05-26 22:41:00

hello all i have a quick question i hope someone can answer for me
i have just inhereted a stamp collection from my grandmother and i have no idea what it is worth or even how to take care of it properly
as stamps arnt really my thing is there any dealers in auckland that i can take it to for valuation and correct handling of this any help much appreciated

michaelm6 - 2010-05-28 21:34:00

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donaldo - 2010-05-29 11:15:00

bump

rebel58 - 2010-05-31 09:27:00

Bump..

tmg - 2010-06-01 17:53:00

Morning all ... two things ... firstly I now have some CAL's ... one full mint sheet of 10 Cotton Soft ones (40c value), secondly my boss got a Real Aotearoa CAL on one of his letters but had trouble getting it off and therefore ruined it. Is there anyway of getting these without having to get a $50 CAL pack?

bdreid10 - 2010-06-03 07:49:00

bdreid10 wrote:

…some CAL's ... one full mint sheet of 10 Cotton Soft ones (40c value), ?

Tell us more. Perhaps a picture?
Tony

warm3 - 2010-06-04 00:56:00

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bdreid10 - 2010-06-04 07:22:00

Um picture ... will see what I can do over the weekend.

They are done by Black Sheep Stamps in Auckland, who I think no longer exists as their website doesn't work .... haven't tried their phone number lol.

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donaldo - 2010-06-07 12:26:00

bdreid10 wrote:

Um picture ... will see what I can do over the weekend.

They are done by Black Sheep Stamps in Auckland, who I think no longer exists as their website doesn't work .... haven't tried their phone number lol.

So it is not a CAL. You had me worried. Thought I had missed one!
Tony

warm3 - 2010-06-07 17:05:00

warm3 wrote:

So it is not a CAL. You had me worried. Thought I had missed one!
Tony

I would have thought It to be a CAL as it advertises a company and is a label/stamp that was used for postage - unless all CAL's have to be made by NZ Post?

bdreid10 - 2010-06-08 13:03:00

Can one of you experts look at the Stamps -Presentation Packs thread which ive just posted and give me your opinions please

soundie1 - 2010-06-08 13:07:00

bdreid10 wrote:

I would have thought It to be a CAL as it advertises a company and is a label/stamp that was used for postage - unless all CAL's have to be made by NZ Post?

An interesting point. I think the NZPO has it but lets hear what the group think.

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donaldo - 2010-06-12 11:20:00

Of course Stamp exhibitions promote philately.
A good exhibit does also command the top Dollar - getting that item which is scarce comes with a hefty price tag.
Do not all have the opportunity to view such items, arousing new self-goals as collector.

philafarinz - 2010-06-12 18:49:00

donaldo wrote:

controversy--do-
stamp exhibitions promote philately?? or are they just for the elite

Don , I've never seen you involved in a big way with stamp exhibitions so I'd guess that proves they can't be for the elite.
Actually virtually all stamp exhibitions are organised by very ordinary stamp collectors who differ in that they have a passion for the hobby and are prepared to put in a big effort to share that passion with others.
Sometimes I may not agree with everything exhibition organisers do but its mainly because they lack a knowledge of the hobby and not because they don't try or don't care. it may be different for some so called "Professionals" but stamp collecting in New Zealand is an amateur hobby and running stamp clubs and exhibitions relies on the generous time given by people who have other paid jobs to do.
I've been involved in exhibitions at various levels and it is usually a tough job which many people criticise and few people praise. While I might criticise particular decisions (and I often do) I certainly appreciate peoples best intentions and the efforts they put in.

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donaldo - 2010-06-13 12:08:00

Can anyone help me please? I have a very old stamp book I inherited and would like to know value. Don't know who to trust?

awhekato - 2010-06-13 18:32:00

donaldo wrote:

at an exhibition it has been suggested that 2/3 rd of the entire space is taken up in displays and that 90% of visitors spend 10% of their time viewing
--almost all of the other 1/3rd is taken up in dealer and postal administrators 'booths' or sales counters which attract the balance of the time of the visitors--
what is missing is
1/. promotion for future stamp collectors
2/. making stamp collecting fun
3/. creating interest and appeal that will create a lifetime hobby

Those figures somebody has suggested are not accurate. If you had a look at Timpex last year in Timaru you would have seen that over 50% of the people in the hall at any time were looking around the display stands. They also had a Youth area with various activities for children and various competitions, public voting etc for adult beginners etc. I have since had several people visit my stamp shop from the timaru area who said they were encouraged to take up the hobby because of Timpex. When did you last take a look at a stamp exhibition or help out at one? It is not just up to Stamp exhibition organisers to promote the hobby. They have a big enough job to do organising a good exhibition. We all need to help promote the hobby and part of that is to encourage people to attend exhibitions and participate in stamp clubs and other philatelic events. A hobby that is shared is a hobby that is enriched.

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donaldo - 2010-06-14 09:57:00

I went to the APS one in the weekend in Mt Albert, there where 11 or 12 stands (dealers) and 4 small displays. Out on the road side was a small sign that read "APS Expo", If you had no idea what you were looking for then I think most people would have missed it. I was a little disappointed (this was my first ever), but hope the one in August is improved.

There was nothing really to encourage new collectors of any age - it almost seemed like one of those trade fairs where you only get those in that specific area.

bdreid10 - 2010-06-14 12:49:00

I am rather encouraged by the many non-collectors one notices in Forums that when a collection is inherited, some actually are interested to carry on with for reasons that suit them.

A good number quite proudly show off part of their collection with the purpose to get some recognition. They mirror of what they are doing is in the right direction, just plainly collecting some special items.

Most of these these are adults aiming to continue with the collection or even starting afresh.

These are the people that should get all the encouragement. They should be advised to get themselves good literature on what philately is all about.

Gibbons or Scott front pages says about all most so-called philatelists have not even understood but that is the challenge.

The local catalogues are good to identify your local stamps which is a great helping guide.

Google if you want more information

Of course there are those that want to turn their heirloom into money and they should be advised to get themselves informed.

Too many ask questions and get good replies, falling in turn on faithless ears. Collectors need to experience philately and hands-on by any collector may bring success.

Some self-knowledge gained via the web can avert a regretted acquisition. With the internet you can choose what to believe looking at informed choices not just by somebodies word.

Collecting good statistics at the Exhibition or Stamp show entrance could go a long way in getting to know who and why people come to such gatherings apart of get their addresses and payment for the program or entrance for a raffle draw.

Exhibitions are part and parcel of dealer presence for philatelic business, so the matter of space is the prerogative of the organisers and should be sanctioned by those that require space.

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donaldo - 2010-06-17 11:52:00

Maybe the reason is this-
Going through the first 6 Pages of a local small catalogue to 1970 then another 25 pages for the next 40 years(granted there are minature sheets) could perhaps indicate the amount of material that tempted the collector.

Many Countries start even earlier and the dealers as probably yourself, are overstocked.

You bemoan the poor dear having to return the 'PRICELESS' 1980 ZEAPEX items to take to her grave - very sad.

The scenario you mention is just the tip of the Iceberg, countless philatelic treasure are actually wasted away. By letting such inheritance in good condition not get back into philately's maelstrom is tragic.

I suppose it is also assumed that items given to a dealer should sell and for reasons one can only speculates, does not.

On the other hand these mentioned items could go in a frenzy with buyers at a stamp club with a little commission.

Perhaps the art of knowing where and how to sell depends also on the material concerened.

Priceless - indeed !

philafarinz - 2010-06-17 16:16:00

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donaldo - 2010-06-17 16:32:00

Well that is one sad point if there is no Stamp club in the dear's vicinity.
But then there is the interent !

philafarinz - 2010-06-17 17:08:00

Well of course it is the internet. The cold had my fingers stuck and thought I could edit but no luck there either.

philafarinz - 2010-06-17 17:29:00

Just thought Id add my 2c worth after reading this page... I was given dads collection a few months ago... he no longer has the inclination or the proper eyesight, I have 2 young children and a busy husband, and being in my 30s thought it great to have a night time - kids in bed - quiet hobby. Ive been like a sponge and so far bought SG catelogues (used of course!) and the internet has been great. So thanks to all you experts on here because I really have learnt alot by reading this thread and would like to add that youre appreciated and the little rants you have with each other are quite funny. Thanks and keep up the good work! Pam :)

toenailpolish - 2010-06-17 21:14:00

Well Pam, that is wonderful to note even having spent some money on catalogues gets you miles ahead of those who just want to know the value of a particular stamp via net.
As your style of collecting will be somewhat more modern I would think that you get your stamp more in order and my advice would include a new stamp Album or a new Stockbook.

I may be wrong but I have seen too many collections of past collectors or even present that have toning.
Relocating the the non toned stamps would be my priority and try to replace the toned or damaged stamps.

On NZ, initially I would also seperate the pre decimal from the decimal, mint from the used.

Your dad could still give you guidance as any item special to him, it could be for you too.

Erich

philafarinz - 2010-06-18 08:11:00

donaldo wrote:

back to exhibitions

HOW DO THEY JUSTIFY the countless costly 'products' they sell to raise funds[or to extort] and which are unsaleable 10 years os so later--have been trying to sell some 'PRICELESS' 1980 ZEAPEX items[11 different lots with large albums,plated mini sheets,season tickets,qe portrait,designs,cousins pamphlet,magazines,etc] BUT CANT even give them away--will have to return to the owner to take to her grave!!!!!!!!!!!!

I remember the Zeapex late 70's early 80's era well "EVERYONE" dealers ,collectors,Investors got greedy ,stamp prices at a premium ,catalog prices inflated ,stamps more valuable than gold.We created the beast not the PO it was not a conspiracy just pure greed.The PO just feeding the demand.I myself bought stamps by the sheets as investment and am still using them as postage today .Who is at fault? Me. The funny thing is that I have not purchased postage at face or cat value since and and am saving money so that is a win for me.

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donaldo - 2010-06-18 16:30:00

I doubt if any dealer would have thought of becoming a millionaire. It was more like feeding the demand and keeping his clientele happy.

No dealer would have said to the patron that the bottom would fall out and was only too happy to make his buck, even though it may not have been much. Of course he would know what to do with his surplus postage so not a real loss to him. That is why bulk decimal mint is bought at 50% face value or even less.

The same may apply to FDCs in the Hayday, that are now offered with tone spots and good only to be washed off.

Any scrupulous dealer would rather recommend buying the better 'investment' item. The item affordable in the top rung.
In those years and also today auction catalogues were at hand and today its easier via the web.

Buying a new set or FDC 25 years ago was inexpensive and a nice gift it made or to be collected for the children. It was the Ipod 30 years ago, soon to be replaced by something new.

Of Course it was fun just to collect new issues but even new cars loose their lustre and most of us know the cost and eventual loss.
So stick to the Rolls.

So anyone lucky enough to keep the quality of his collection in good nick would have a better chance of getting their value back in 2 generations. The quality will not be sustained and only a small fraction would astound a dealer in 2050 and very likely pay the deserved price.
Until then they will selfdestruct in all possible ways depending on the difference what the collector makes in caring.

All dealers sit on dead stock waiting for ingenious ways to offload.

philafarinz - 2010-06-18 18:46:00

I have a 'weird' collection: I refuse to collect anything except for birds!!

beckapecka - 2010-06-19 20:52:00

beckapecka wrote:

I have a 'weird' collection: I refuse to collect anything except for birds!!

Not weird it is called thematic.Collecting to a theme .You are OK no need to seek help or selfharm.

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captain_sophie - 2010-06-21 21:20:00