philafarinz wrote:

Thank you 'bdreid10' for sharing.

What exactly is meant by 'NZ Post button' in 'The product contains the NZ Post button which is recognised by other Postal Administrations.

Has anyone here a simple explantion or could only NZ Post solve this riddle ?

Presently the lay collector overseas sees a NZ CAL as a cinderella as already mentioned above. So what 'NZ post button' would convince them it was NZ postage paid ?

That little round white thing in the lower right corner!!

Sometimes it is red too!!

I think, and will be emailing NZ Post this thought too, that the "NZ Post Button" should be replaced with a Silver Fern - in Shiny Silver of course - then we will have a stamp that can be used for overseas postage and also a collection that is a tourism promotions with what is basically a national logo that is easily recognised internationally.

Edited by bdreid10 at 12:24 pm, Wed 31 Mar

bdreid10 - 2010-03-31 12:19:00

bdreid10 wrote:

That little round white thing in the lower right corner!!

Sometimes it is red too!!

I think, and will be emailing NZ Post this thought too, that the "NZ Post Button" should be replaced with a Silver Fern - in Shiny Silver of course - then we will have a stamp that can be used for overseas postage and also a collection that is a tourism promotions with what is basically a national logo that is easily recognised internationally.

Why do you think that under UPU Regulations that the country's name is to appear on international postage?
Perhaps you ought to ask them why they are defying the rules?
The Silver Fern and the Button does not mean anything to the world wide populace.Most of the world doesn't even know where New Zealand is let alone exists.I base this on personal experience as I lived in the United States for 14 years and 70% of the people I met didn't even know NZ existed ,25% new NZ existed but didn't know where,the other 5% hit it on the button and they where mostly ex military.

Edited by rebel58 at 1:16 pm, Wed 31 Mar

rebel58 - 2010-03-31 13:07:00

As stated earlier by someone else "with Personalised Postage these booklets are not stamps but labels. They do not contain the words ‘New Zealand’ or carry the official New Zealand Post unique identifier, the fern."

My understanding of this is that stamps with the fern on them are able to be used legally on international mail without trying to find what the UPU regs say. However I also feel that NZ Post will do what they like as per usual.

I also have come accross stamps from countries I never knew existed ... so I look them up and forget a couple of hours later where the hell they were lol.

bdreid10 - 2010-03-31 13:47:00

Ok just found this from section C.11 of the UPU Letter Post Manual.

"3 Postage stamps comprise:
3.1 the name of the member country or territory of issue, in roman
letters1;
3.2 the face value, expressed:
3.2.1 in principle, in the official currency of the country or territory of issue,
or as a letter or symbol;
3.2.2 through other identifying characteristics."

And also:
"Commentary 8
The 24th UPU Congress (Geneva, 2008) decided to include the following optional points concerning
postage stamp illustrations in the form of a commentary in the Letter Post Regulations:
Postage stamps may contain:
– the official emblem of the member country or territory of issue;"

Would not the fern and possibly the button come under "3.2.2 through other identifying characteristics."

And the fern does come under "the official emblem of the member country or territory of issue;"

Edited by bdreid10 at 1:55 pm, Wed 31 Mar

bdreid10 - 2010-03-31 13:55:00

Thanks bdreid for the 'button' pointer LOL !
I think its sole purpose is the sanctioning symbol by NZ Post.
I am all for the Fern, though many collectors or 'others' internationally will not associate it with NZ.
Presently the Country's name is necessary for international mail, similar to Universal Mail stamps.
The Country of origin is responsible for the correct prepaid postage, so it should not matter what they are (stamp, CALs labels), bar NZ Post can identify the paid amount when sorting.

philafarinz - 2010-03-31 17:01:00

Is a Stamp Fair being held in Christchurch this weekend?

rebel58 - 2010-04-01 09:07:00

rebel58 wrote:

Is a Stamp Fair being held in Christchurch this weekend?

I think twg mentioned one on the previous page where there is now a void of blank space

bdreid10 - 2010-04-01 12:32:00

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donaldo - 2010-04-01 15:45:00

donaldo wrote:

...and now we have a mail shutdown until outward mail on tuesday afternoon to contend with due to this 'holiday'

It sounds as if you are not in favour of these holidays !! Perhaps some NZ Post members may read this thread and pick up some tips and you have a chance to get to the garden chores before it rains.

CALs are privately initiated labels, any value on them is prepaid with the blessing of NZ Post, facevalue would be limited to current rates.
Why not make your own - good advertising, just do not promote here, though you could surely list them for sale on TM.

philafarinz - 2010-04-01 18:36:00

How do I get TM to reply to a complaint? I have emailed them twice through the 'complaints' section on the same issue and have had nothing in reply. I see they vet this thread thoroughly so perhaps they may read this and get back to me. Does anyone have an email for them apart from this?

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donaldo - 2010-04-01 21:18:00

twg1935 wrote:

Yes, there is a Stampfair in Christchurch 3rd April.
For the life of me, I can't understand why the "MODERATOR" keeps removing any time someone advises of a Stampfair anywhere in New Zealand.
Yet some of the other threads in the Collectors Forum openly advise of there hobbies fairs.
Wonder if this will be deleted.

Thanks for the Info Gary.

rebel58 - 2010-04-01 21:41:00

twg1935 wrote:

Yes, there is a Stampfair in Christchurch 3rd April.
For the life of me, I can't understand why the "MODERATOR" keeps removing any time someone advises of a Stampfair anywhere in New Zealand.
Yet some of the other threads in the Collectors Forum openly advise of there hobbies fairs.
Wonder if this will be deleted.

If they allowed notices of stamp fairs then next time stamp dealers etc would want to advertise that their shops were open on Saturdays too! Then shortly we would have auction houses advertising that their auction viewing and closing dates and venues. I guess you have to draw the line somewhere and trademe clearly state that these forums are not for self promotion. A stamp fair basically is a grouping of part-time stamp dealers selling stamps at the one shared venue. if it was a exhibition or display without sales then I would agree with you.

kiwisteven - 2010-04-02 00:22:00

donaldo wrote:

try 'support@trademe.co.nz'-
; --and quick before they delete it

Thanks so much. I'll try it right now

grongy - 2010-04-02 09:38:00

kiwisteven wrote:

... if it was an exhibition or display without sales then I would agree with you.

So what you are saying that any venue - show, bourse, gala, fair, exhibition or any other group that has gatherings to promote themselves directly or indirectly should have their 'message' deleted.
Surely this can not be called a 'Message board'

Past April fools day but have a look:-http://www.youtube.com/w-
atch?v=RM6z-tK9Fko

philafarinz - 2010-04-03 11:55:00

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donaldo - 2010-04-03 13:13:00

donaldo wrote:

i agree that stamp fairs and any helpful events need encouraging --otherwise the hobby will die

The hobby would never die but as the stamps are not front line money spinners for TM, I dare say they are actually missing advertising venues - perhaps the thinking is, they do not need it.

philafarinz - 2010-04-03 17:52:00

Pity no stamp collector would bid for a cup of coffee with Sam M.

philafarinz - 2010-04-03 18:27:00

Why not sponsor ME, I would have a few things to say to Sam about this thread for one.

philafarinz - 2010-04-03 18:38:00

No question of deleting anything, probably would have me paying the bill.

philafarinz - 2010-04-03 18:40:00

philafarinz wrote:

Why not sponsor ME, I would have a few things to say to Sam about this thread for one.

Yes it is now in Oz hands but suggestions from the right source could be better than the support link.

philafarinz - 2010-04-03 19:37:00

LOL ... coffee with Sam M huh ... Maybe they should go read the rules and remove the advertising of the "Trade Fair" as that will involve selling and buying and ordering stuff that is not "Trade Me Stuff" and promoting other business. PMSL ... tui ad time!

bdreid10 - 2010-04-04 07:33:00

philafarinz wrote:

So what you are saying that any venue - show, bourse, gala, fair, exhibition or any other group that has gatherings to promote themselves directly or indirectly should have their 'message' deleted.
Surely this can not be called a 'Message board'

Past April fools day but have a look:-http://www.youtube.com/w-
atch?v=RM6z-tK9Fko

So what you are saying that any venue - show, bourse, gala, fair, exhibition or any other group that has gatherings to promote themselves directly or indirectly should have their 'message' deleted.
Surely this can not be called a 'Message board'

No of course I'm not saying that. i think we should be able to promote whatever so long as it has to do with the topic of the forum. I'm only trying to make sense of the trademe position and to understand their reasoning even though I don't agree with it.

If I owned a stamp shop (which I do) and am a member of trademe (which I also am) then should I also be able to say here in this forum every week that my shop will be open for sales on Saturday. what is the difference from this to a stamp fair which is basically other dealers (some part-time and some full time) promoting their opening hours and location at a stamp fair? I don't see a difference.
lets face it most stamp fairs are only a sales outlet without any special features such as displays, talks promotional activities. please remember I'm not advocating fair listings should not be allowed but that it should be an even playing field for all sellers/members.

kiwisteven - 2010-04-04 22:10:00

...and back to stamps ... my Boss has given me 4 Tongan stamps, 2 Bannana shaped ones 4s with Tonga in Blue and 2s with Tonga in Green. Also 2 Coconut stamps? one 9s with a red banner and white writing that says Best in the pacific and Tonga in red, one 8s with Tonga in violet with official post written where the banner would be.

When I can find my camera I will upload a photo.

bdreid10 - 2010-04-05 08:33:00

Hi Steven,

I fully understand dealer's plight as I was an over the counter dealer myself for a number of years and believe me it is a global dilemma for dealers.

Running costs close them down as far as shop outlets are concerned which also pushes them into other spheres of stamp dealing like selling on the web.

Shop owners have the luxury to buy up lots sellers bring in and pick out the best for resale and sell off the rest for the same they paid unless room collections are offered.

TMs additude to advertising here is seemingly cast in stone so to do advertising select another forum, simple as that.

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donaldo - 2010-04-05 12:04:00

bdreid10 wrote:

When I can find my camera I will upload a photo.

As you can not upload an image here you would be listing the stamps then !?

philafarinz - 2010-04-05 12:04:00

philafarinz wrote:

As you can not upload an image here you would be listing the stamps then !?

philafairnz - If needed I could have uploaded the photo to my TM account and then posted a link to it - no need to list.

Thanks Donaldo

bdreid10 - 2010-04-05 13:37:00

bdreid10 wrote:

If needed I could have uploaded the photo to my TM account and then posted a link to it - no need to list.

Interesting - could you provide a link here of any other item in your TM account ?
I must be missing something here !

Edited by philafarinz at 3:42 pm, Mon 5 Apr

philafarinz - 2010-04-05 15:41:00

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/60/125926960_full.jp
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For philafarinz ... Also any info on the issue of this stamp would be nice, have not been able to find it online. Cannot afford to buy any cats at the moment but will hopefully get to the library one day soon.

bdreid10 - 2010-04-05 16:36:00

bdreid10 wrote:

http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/60/1
25926960_full.jpg

Thanks for the link, clean forgot there is such a feature on TM.

Modern stamps are best collected on cover, as we know they are getting less and less.

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brallen - 2010-04-06 17:32:00

Hi there, have come across my dads stamp collection from when he was a child, no whole sets I don't think - most stamps from around '60s, all over the world. Should I start an auction for them or are they of no real value?

sh3r33 - 2010-04-06 18:31:00

Hi there, is anyone here a member of the Kiwi Stamp Circuit?

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donaldo - 2010-04-07 15:14:00

I am wondering how often you receive the boxes? I joined last November and so far have only had one parcel from them.

flower1 - 2010-04-07 15:24:00

Hi I've got a question for the stamp experts. If mint stamps are put into albums with gum hinges does lessen their value ?

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donaldo - 2010-04-07 18:07:00

donaldo wrote:

i dont get them at all--have you tried emailing them as you should be able to get them at least 4 times a year

I did email them just after Xmas and was told the boxes were being readied for posting but so far I haven't had one. I will email them again, thanks for your advice.

flower1 - 2010-04-07 19:24:00

Hi again :) Is there any way of removing the gum hinges from mint stamps so they are not damaged?

.jillybeen. - 2010-04-07 20:14:00

Back to the regional issue's being used for international postage ... I sent another email

According to the UPU Regulations they still need the name of the country of origin on the stamps for them to be valid as postage. The NZ Post button and even the silver fern do not mean anything to the majority of the worlds populace. So these "labels" even though they have the NZ Post button on them still flaunt the UPU regulations.

From section C.11 of the UPU Letter Post Manual: "3 Postage stamps comprise:
3.1 the *NAME OF THE MEMBER COUNTRY OR TERRITORY OF ISSUE*, in roman
letters1;
3.2 the face value, expressed:
3.2.1 in principle, in the official currency of the country or territory of issue,
or as a letter or symbol;
3.2.2 through other identifying characteristics."

And then also:
"Commentary 8
The 24th UPU Congress (Geneva, 2008) decided to include the following optional points concerning
postage stamp illustrations in the form of a commentary in the Letter Post Regulations:
Postage stamps may contain:
– the official emblem of the member country or territory of issue;" To me NZ Post either needs to change the "labels" or make it very clear that they are not to be used for international postage.

Regards Brendan

This is what came back ...

Dear Brendan

Thank you for your email.

As already advised the labels are a pilot product. The UPU agreement is between member countries for the cartage of mail. Mail bearing these labels are recognised as a valid form of prepayment in the country of origin (New Zealand).

Regards
Graeme
Customer Services

bdreid10 - 2010-04-08 07:42:00

bdreid10 wrote:

Back to the regional issue's being used for international postage ... I sent another email

According to the UPU Regulations they still need the name of the country of origin on the stamps for them to be valid as postage. The NZ Post button and even the silver fern do not mean anything to the majority of the worlds populace. So these "labels" even though they have the NZ Post button on them still flaunt the UPU regulations.

From section C.11 of the UPU Letter Post Manual: "3 Postage stamps comprise:
3.1 the *NAME OF THE MEMBER COUNTRY OR TERRITORY OF ISSUE*, in roman
letters1;
3.2 the face value, expressed:
3.2.1 in principle, in the official currency of the country or territory of issue,
or as a letter or symbol;
3.2.2 through other identifying characteristics."

And then also:
"Commentary 8
The 24th UPU Congress (Geneva, 2008) decided to include the following optional points concerning
postage stamp illustrations in the form of a commentary in the Letter Post Regulations:
Postage stamps may contain:
– the official emblem of the member country or territory of issue;" To me NZ Post either needs to change the "labels" or make it very clear that they are not to be used for international postage.

Regards Brendan

This is what came back ...

Dear Brendan

Thank you for your email.

As already advised the labels are a pilot product. The UPU agreement is between member countries for the cartage of mail. Mail bearing these labels are recognised as a valid form of prepayment in the country of origin (New Zealand).

Regards
Graeme
Customer Services

Missed the boat on that one .
It is when they are used on international mail that the regulations apply and NZ Post are encouraging their use on international mail along with the Cals.

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donaldo - 2010-04-08 13:14:00