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twg1935 - 2010-03-15 11:02:00

twg1935 wrote:

Christchurch Stampfair Saturday 20th March
Venue 67 Mandeville St, Riccarton.
Time 9am to midday.
Free admission, all welcome.

Is that the Philatelic Society Building?

rebel58 - 2010-03-15 11:03:00

rebel58 wrote:

Is that the Philatelic Society Building?

Yes Paul. This is a new venue for our Stampfairs as previous Merivale, Church Hall having been sold. Gary.

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roby34 - 2010-03-15 17:57:00

philafarinz wrote:

Hi -bdrei10-

In Michel they are #1219 and 1224.
What normally happens is that the Country in question does not forward their issued stamp details to the catalogue editors.
In the past some Countries may have been boycotted like Rhodesia was and detail is withheld from print.
Erich

could you give me an approximate value please?

bdreid10 - 2010-03-15 18:27:00

Exact 2002 Michel value EURO 0.50 and no value shown for the 410Fr. stamp.

philafarinz - 2010-03-15 22:10:00

roby34 wrote:

I have a lot of penny reds/blacks. Problem is I cant put them in the album without knowing the plate numbers. Magnifying glasses don't show them and they are supposed to be embedded in the border. What do I do now?

Penny reds have the plate numbers in them. on each side. turn the stamp on its side and look more carefully and you will see the numbers worked into the designs. you will probably need a magnifying glass to see them but once you do you will be surprised how easy they are to see. they show up as white against the red background.
Id blacks don't have plate numbers on them at all.

kiwisteven - 2010-03-16 00:04:00

twg1935 wrote:

CAL or Stamp issue?
NZ Post has issued two booklets, a $5 (containing 10 x 50c) and $10.80 (containing 6 x $1.80) all 16 stamps have different views and are self adhesive. Interested to know the story behind the stamps. Gary.

From the NZPost Website: Stamps: Other Products: Regional Postage: Trial of Regional Postage Booklets:

Two images are shown of two of the 16 new Kaikoura 'labels' with the recogniseable red 'CAL' strip down the side.

"Since the launch of Personalised Postage a number of years ago, PostShops around the country have been requesting Personalised Postage in a regional format to ‘show off’ their region. New Zealand Post is trialling Regional Postage at the moment with tourist ‘hotspot’, Kaikoura. Produced and trailed specifically for tourist locations around New Zealand, these self-adhesive booklets of 10 x 50c labels and 6 x $1.80 labels can be used around New Zealand and on postcards around the world.

This product is still in trial phase but if successful it is likely other ‘hotspots’ will soon follow.

As with Personalised Postage these booklets are not stamps but labels. They do not contain the words ‘New Zealand’ or carry the official New Zealand Post unique identifier, the fern. As these are labels and not stamps they do not have a specific issue date. All booklets will be available for purchase as they are released through selected retail outlets, our website and the Collectables and Solutions Centre. "

jaybee2003 - 2010-03-16 00:07:00

twg1935 wrote:

Yes Paul. This is a new venue for our Stampfairs as previous Merivale, Church Hall having been sold. Gary.

No, its not the Philatelic Society Building. Please give it its proper name which is the Philatelic Centre which is located at 67 Mandeville st. The Christchurch Philatelic Society is just one of the many Societies which meet in the building. another is the New Zealand Stamp Collectors Club which also meets there.

kiwisteven - 2010-03-16 00:09:00

kiwisteven wrote:

No, its not the Philatelic Society Building. Please give it its proper name which is the Philatelic Centre which is located at 67 Mandeville st. The Christchurch Philatelic Society is just one of the many Societies which meet in the building. another is the New Zealand Stamp Collectors Club which also meets there.

Sorry I guess I need a good spanking for that .

rebel58 - 2010-03-16 16:39:00

philafarinz wrote:

Exact 2002 Michel value EURO 0.50 and no value shown for the 410Fr. stamp.

Thanks - There may be more ... is that catalogue online?

I am going through listing my stamps to see what I actually have in the way of stamps and while at it am noting cat values and perfs (thanks for the perf gauge donaldo ... have found a few that are listed with different ones already)

Edited by bdreid10 at 6:47 pm, Tue 16 Mar

bdreid10 - 2010-03-16 18:47:00

Hi 'bdreid10'

No they are not on line but a member in your local stamp club may have the latest Michel or library a Scott in which they should be noted.
Like any stamp collector, one should get literature about what one collects. Unfortunately not everything is on the web.

Erich

philafarinz - 2010-03-16 21:09:00

Hello stamp club peeps, may i have a moment of your time.. i have inherited 3 breadbags full of stamps stuck to lil ript corners of the original envelopes, i have slowly and painstakingly soaked and peeled them of the papers and dried them flat, now how do i store them please?preferaby a cheaper option, also is it really worth keeping over 20 of the same stamp? TIA

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donaldo - 2010-03-18 15:44:00

donaldo wrote:

some dicey looking postmarks on long type fiscals have just been listed on trademe--beware and treat all as fiscals at best

What is the Auction #?

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donaldo - 2010-03-18 20:41:00

donaldo wrote:

some dicey looking postmarks on long type fiscals have just been listed on trademe--beware and treat all as fiscals at best

These look a bit "too good to be true" apart from the last lot with the usual parcels type cancellations. You really need to be able to check these out for embossing, cleaned fiscal cancellations etc. One of them may be a Auckland cds with a crown at top (A fiscal cancellation) but its a bit difficult to tell. You need somebody with a collection of Postal marking of those towns to check out the markings to see if they are fiscal or postal. At this stage I would reserve my decision. They really need to have an expert certificate with them or at least an expert opinion from somebody who has inspected the actual stamps before you can call them postally used.

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donaldo - 2010-03-20 10:32:00

donaldo wrote:

some dicey looking postmarks on long type fiscals have just been listed on trademe--beware and treat all as fiscals at best

So are the ones you have bid on are OK?

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donaldo - 2010-03-20 16:24:00

Just wondering about stamp values ... The most common stamps have a low value and the rare one higher. I have 40% of a set of Australian stamps with 1 of each stamp, however one of the rarer ones (has a higher cat value) I have 5 of ... so what defines the rarity value of a stamp if my wife can buy a bundle of stamps with 5 of these in but only 1 of each of the others?

bdreid10 - 2010-03-21 12:26:00

bdreid10 wrote:

Just wondering about stamp values ... The most common stamps have a low value and the rare one higher. I have 40% of a set of Australian stamps with 1 of each stamp, however one of the rarer ones (has a higher cat value) I have 5 of ... so what defines the rarity value of a stamp if my wife can buy a bundle of stamps with 5 of these in but only 1 of each of the others?

Value of a stamp is decided by both supply and demand. your supply of 5 copies of one value and only 1 copy of each of the other stamps in the set however is far too small a quantity to represent a valid appraisal of the relative availability of the stamps in question. It may be that your 5 stamps all came from one block which somebody broke up. Some Australian stamps may be relatively more common in New Zealand because they are/were the postage rate to new Zealand. That is why for example with English commemorative stamps the top values in each set are relatively easy to find to New Zealand because this is where they end up.
You didn't say what stamps it was you had. knowing this may make it obvious why a seemingly rarer stamp might turn up here more often than a seemingly commoner stamp. you have to also see where your stamp catalogue was published as this will tell you on which market the prices are based on.

Of course it may be that your wife was just lucky!

kiwisteven - 2010-03-21 16:29:00

Have some NZ stamps with "official" stamped on them.What does this mean? thanks.

knitwit4 - 2010-03-23 09:49:00

knitwit4 wrote:

Have some NZ stamps with "official" stamped on them.What does this mean? thanks.

Stamps used on government letters. In New Zealand, a number of stamps were overprinted "Official" between 1907 and 1954. In 1954 a special set of stamps bearing the word 'Official' was issued

The above is from NZ Post website, have a look as there is lots of useful information about stamps there

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fredrika - 2010-03-25 18:58:00

Hi ! Have some very old stamps from my grandfathers collection, unfortunatly there is still the reminants of brown paper on them how do I remove it from the back of them. or do I just leave it there.

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donaldo - 2010-03-26 10:36:00

jaybee2003 wrote:

From the NZPost Website: Stamps: Other Products: Regional Postage: Trial of Regional Postage Booklets:

Two images are shown of two of the 16 new Kaikoura 'labels' with the recogniseable red 'CAL' strip down the side.

"Since the launch of Personalised Postage a number of years ago, PostShops around the country have been requesting Personalised Postage in a regional format to ‘show off’ their region. New Zealand Post is trialling Regional Postage at the moment with tourist ‘hotspot’, Kaikoura.
This product is still in trial phase but if successful it is likely other ‘hotspots’ will soon follow. "

Next new issue of these "cal-like stamps" is to be West Coast Region.

So if you live on the Coast, or know anyone who does, ask them to visit their local Postshop EVERY DAY at lunchtime and inquire if they have the "cal-like West Coast scenes stamps" on sale yet. If so, make up a few dozen First Day Covers! They will be the hottest item on Trademe, as the slimy NZ Post is determined to keep issue day a Big Secret (for unknown reason.)

spameater - 2010-03-26 22:33:00

hey i have some austrilan fdc s and i want to know there value help please??????????????????

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donaldo - 2010-03-27 13:10:00

Just been looking at some of my stamps and listing what I have, taking my time and using a 5x magnifying glass ... have a 1988 37c Canadian stamp showing their parliment buildings and the year of issue is the shadow on the right hand tower. The only one I can find listed anywhere of this is 1985 - SG 1157. Would it be a reprint of the same design of the 1985 issue with same face value?

I think I just answered my own question ... also have a Canadian 1977 issue stamp but with 1982 as the year on it!!

They seem to have liked hiding the year in stems of plants and on buildings - makes it even more interesting!

Edited by bdreid10 at 3:42 pm, Sat 27 Mar

bdreid10 - 2010-03-27 15:28:00

Re Canada Secret dates.

for many years Canada have hidden dates in all sorts of places and some take a long time to find. some are in car number plates, inside windows and the sort. it can be quite fun trying to find them all.

kiwisteven - 2010-03-27 15:50:00

Will have to get them all out one day

bdreid10 - 2010-03-27 15:54:00

jaybee2003 wrote:

From the NZPost Website: Stamps: Other Products: Regional Postage: Trial of Regional Postage Booklets:

Two images are shown of two of the 16 new Kaikoura 'labels' with the recogniseable red 'CAL' strip down the side.

"Since the launch of Personalised Postage a number of years ago, PostShops around the country have been requesting Personalised Postage in a regional format to ‘show off’ their region. New Zealand Post is trialling Regional Postage at the moment with tourist ‘hotspot’, Kaikoura. Produced and trailed specifically for tourist locations around New Zealand, these self-adhesive booklets of 10 x 50c labels and 6 x $1.80 labels can be used around New Zealand and on postcards around the world.

This product is still in trial phase but if successful it is likely other ‘hotspots’ will soon follow.

As with Personalised Postage these booklets are not stamps but labels. They do not contain the words ‘New Zealand’ or carry the official New Zealand Post unique identifier, the fern. As these are labels and not stamps they do not have a specific issue date. All booklets will be available for purchase as they are released through selected retail outlets, our website and the Collectables and Solutions Centre. "

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At the NZ Stamp Collectors Club meeting on Wednesday night
Jeff Long pointed out that the $1.80 regional ones going overseas are breaking the UPU rules which state that the name of the country must be shown (bar UK of course).This also applies to Cals.So NZ Post are breaking the Law by allowing them to be used for overseas use.

rebel58 - 2010-03-28 12:01:00

Another interesting point on the above is when did Kaikoura become a Country?They are marketed as tourism promotions but New Zealand is not printed on the stamps.Now I hear that another new country may have been created named the West Coast.

rebel58 - 2010-03-28 16:24:00

So in fact if UPU rules are adhered to a $1.80 CAL and a 50c kiwistamp to an overseas address should attract Postage due. Returned by NZ Post to the sender or the addressee pays the Postage Dues.
Could make interesting mail !

philafarinz - 2010-03-28 19:08:00

rebel58 wrote:

Another interesting point on the above is when did Kaikoura become a Country?They are marketed as tourism promotions but New Zealand is not printed on the stamps.Now I hear that another new country may have been created named the West Coast.

If the expected West Coast Regional stamps just have the words "West Coast" on them without New Zealand then how can they possibly promoter the region overseas as nobody would know where they came from or which West coast it was. As NZ Post don't use readable postmarks this would add to the confusion. I guess they will have to try to use unique names so no Wellington, Hamilton, East Cape, Northland etc but instead Waikato, Kapiti Coast, Hauraki Gulf etc.

kiwisteven - 2010-03-29 01:15:00

philafarinz wrote:

So in fact if UPU rules are adhered to a $1.80 CAL and a 50c kiwistamp to an overseas address should attract Postage due. Returned by NZ Post to the sender or the addressee pays the Postage Dues.
Could make interesting mail !

So when used on International Mail are they only Cinderellas at best?

rebel58 - 2010-03-29 08:06:00

rebel58 wrote:

So when used on International Mail are they only Cinderellas at best?

Not Cinderellas but Labels.
All kinds of Labels are already used as receipt of Postage Paid.
CALs are more colourful and at no cost to NZ Post.

philafarinz - 2010-03-29 10:36:00

kiwisteven wrote:

If the expected West Coast Regional stamps just have the words "West Coast" on them without New Zealand then how can they possibly promote the region overseas as nobody would know where they came from.

Hi Steven,

Perhaps NZ Post can wise up and have the Fern or NZ on these higher nominal CALs which could go overseas advertising NZ.
Because of all the leaves the Wood is missed !

Erich

philafarinz - 2010-03-29 10:49:00

kiwisteven wrote:

If the expected West Coast Regional stamps just have the words "West Coast" on them without New Zealand then how can they possibly promoter the region overseas as nobody would know where they came from or which West coast it was.

Hello Steven
I agree totally. NZ Post, have missed a golden opportunity to advertise the name New Zealand around the world by leaving it off the Tourism Regionals.
If I was in US and seen a stamp with a Whales Tale with Kaikoura on it only, I might think it was native American name for whale?
Need name New Zealand.

Edited by twg1935 at 11:03 am, Mon 29 Mar

twg1935 - 2010-03-29 11:02:00

rebel58 wrote:

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At the NZ Stamp Collectors Club meeting on Wednesday night
Jeff Long pointed out that the $1.80 regional ones going overseas are breaking the UPU rules which state that the name of the country must be shown (bar UK of course).This also applies to Cals.So NZ Post are breaking the Law by allowing them to be used for overseas use.

I emailed a short version (ie removed Jeffs nameand that it was said at a meeting) what you said to NZ Post and this is the response:

Thank you for your email.

In response to your inquiry, the regional booklets contain labels and are valid as a form of prepayment for postage. They are a pilot product for NZ Post and feedback from member countries and users of the product will be incorporated into any future products should this pilot be successful. The product contains the NZ Post button which is recognised by other Postal Administrations.

Edited by bdreid10 at 3:30 pm, Tue 30 Mar

bdreid10 - 2010-03-30 15:29:00

Thank you 'bdreid10' for sharing.

What exactly is meant by 'NZ Post button' in 'The product contains the NZ Post button which is recognised by other Postal Administrations.

Has anyone here a simple explantion or could only NZ Post solve this riddle ?

Presently the lay collector overseas sees a NZ CAL as a cinderella as already mentioned above. So what 'NZ post button' would convince them it was NZ postage paid ?

Edited by philafarinz at 5:44 pm, Tue 30 Mar

philafarinz - 2010-03-30 17:40:00

I've just noticed there is a "stamp club" so I'll ask my question again in here.
Hi all you experts - as we were sorting thru our first day covers we came across a 1990 Heritage Issue "The Ships" which has the top right hand stamp upside down.
Is this common or a rare occurrence - as we don't know much about stamps would appreciate your thoughts.
Many thanks Linda and Graham

lindarae - 2010-03-30 19:58:00

bdreid10 wrote:

I emailed a short version (ie removed Jeffs nameand that it was said at a meeting) what you said to NZ Post and this is the response:

Thank you for your email.

In response to your inquiry, the regional booklets contain labels and are valid as a form of prepayment for postage. They are a pilot product for NZ Post and feedback from member countries and users of the product will be incorporated into any future products should this pilot be successful. The product contains the NZ Post button which is recognised by other Postal Administrations.

What a joke. I am sure a person in the US would recognise NZ Post logo button. Or maybe it is just an NZ Post Tui's Ad............Yea Right.
I would think more people overseas would know New Zealand as a country than a company (NZ Post) logo.
But what would we know.
Only high paid executives know best.
Gee, that could be another Tui's ad.

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