donaldo wrote:

seven seas new zealand--deluxe or ordinary?? and what years for pages??

I'm not sure what that means.The 2 albums I got through TM have the clear pockets already on the pages with the year, issue and explanation beside them. The older one which would have used hinges had pockets cut out and added by a former owner. Senior edition is all I can see on the front page and then each page has a number and code at the bottom L-hand corner
I'll work out the missing random pages

grongy - 2009-12-19 16:54:00

missmad
Google or the yellow pages are your friend.Look for stamp collecting/Philatelic society's,clubs etc or go to the local Library and look for Stanley Gibbons catalogs.A local Dealer is also an option for qualified advice .
Regards Paul.

rebel58 - 2009-12-19 19:17:00

lucas42852 wrote:

you could search through trademe and see what the same ones are selling for here A reference book would only be about $20. fdc dont usually sell for that much but X refernce with ones on here most are selling for $5 or $10 if you take them to a dealer you are most likely to get a fraction of the value for them

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missmad - 2009-12-19 21:34:00

Missmad.
Split them up into years ,take a good photo/photo's with a detailed description and put on as $1.00 reserve.Anything you think is worth more list separately eg Lord of the rings.Very few modern first day covers get good prices as a lot of collectors buy them and soak the stamps off,mainly because of the cancellations not being a roller cancel. Keep some of the stamps as postage and google Len Jury and look at his online NZ Catalog.Make sure you don't under estimate the shipping charges.
Have Fun Paul.

rebel58 - 2009-12-20 08:27:00

Missmad.
There are a couple of Stamp free forums about, one just started in NZ and one in AU.You could get help on those sites as well.
Unfortunately I am not allowed to give out contact details on Trademe as there are some anally retentive moderators about, who object to the advancement of Philately and just helping people out.
Once again Google is your friend
Regards Paul.

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fredrika - 2009-12-22 18:55:00

MERRY CHRISTMAS

Thank you to all the people I have meet or dealt with this year. It's been lots of fun and I'm always learning more. I hope that you all have a great Christmas and a prosperous New Year. I look forward to more trading next year.

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donaldo - 2009-12-27 13:10:00

Hi all, A question about cal's. If you produce a cal, are you allowed to add your "own" overprint?? or do you have to have NZ Post permission? I see a new one as popped up on trademe. Seller states only 80 "overprinted". "Grab one of the rarest Cal". Your thought please.

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donaldo - 2009-12-27 20:57:00

okkies... have just unearthed what we thought had been lost in our flood a couple of years ago - my old stamp collection - its got the kids interested - but not in the way I wanted... they all want to know how much things are worth and what they would sell for! LOL Its not a large collection, but does cover quite a period of older stamps 1900 to 1950's (dad's era), and then a large portion of 1983-1995 (when I started work and had money, and when I had kids and stopped because I had no money! LOL). Lots of FDC and M/s, and the collectors packs ... is there any worth in it? should I carry it on and hopefully get the kids properly interested? thanks

hamismom - 2009-12-27 21:25:00

Thanks Donaldo. I thought that this was not an Official NZ Post one. Wonder if NZ post knows about it??. Cheers and good to see you back.

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donaldo - 2009-12-27 21:53:00

I only looked at a couple of things on the len jury website... and thought I would test the waters with a couple of double ups. I guess I was just wanting to know if its worth carrying on for the kids "inheritance" if nothing else! LOL

hamismom - 2009-12-27 22:01:00

donaldo wrote:

ANY LUCK

Sorry I've been away. Yes I finally located and purchased new ones for years from 1992 till now...they will be family heirlooms!!! but am compiling a small list of randoms from earlier years which I will need. Am I able to ask for them specifically on this thread or is that illegal too? Thanks for the help I got on this thread and elsewhere

grongy - 2009-12-27 22:22:00

also wondering whether those L Jury catalogue prices are actually indicative of value

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donaldo - 2009-12-28 10:19:00

cool - thanks heaps for the advice... actually quite keen to keep on with the collection! LOL - I've got interested again looking at what's on here, and what I actually have... might just ditch the doubles and find the missing parts.

hamismom - 2009-12-28 10:33:00

hamismom wrote:

also wondering whether those L Jury catalogue prices are actually indicative of value

Len Jury is a dealer and he will gladly sell to you at those prices.
The cat is great for insurance and identification purposes only.
Real value is what you get on Auction sites.
Dealers will buy Decimal Stamps from 50% of face value not cat value.
You have a couple of choices start at $1.00 and watch with interest or start 25 to 50% of Cat Value.I personally use most of my decimal stamps as postage including Miniature Sheets.You also have the option of joining a stamp club locally and yes there is one in Rangiora but due to the Heavily retarded, Anally retentive moderators on this site I cant give you the contact details.Philately is a fascinating hobby and money can be made but you need to know what you are doing and looking for.
I am not coming down on Dealers as they have to make a living and they have a wealth of Knowledge ,and I have great respect for the majority.Let your fingers do the walking ,the yellow pages and Google are your friends.Ring or Email a local dealer and ask questions.
Regards Paul.

rebel58 - 2009-12-28 10:37:00

thanks heaps rebel58 - will see if I can get the kids interested enough, otherwise might just flip the lot on and see what happens.

hamismom - 2009-12-28 11:12:00

hamismom wrote:

thanks heaps rebel58 - will see if I can get the kids interested enough, otherwise might just flip the lot on and see what happens.

To get the kids interested try a theme eg :--- Horses,Cats,Cars ,Mountains ,Countries etc.
All are covered may times over by many countries.
All Good fun and the kids pick up on Geography,History and Languages etc.
Regards Paul.

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muzz8 - 2009-12-28 21:29:00

muzz8 wrote:

yes it would be very interesting to get NZposts views on this overprint-i would imagine that if you own the cals than you can do what you like to them----------but to use them on mail is another matter----------- I have asked vendor the question

Seller has withdrawn both items.

rebel58 - 2009-12-29 16:58:00

muzz8 wrote:

yes it would be very interesting to get NZposts views on this overprint-i would imagine that if you own the cals than you can do what you like to them----------but to use them on mail is another matter----------- I have asked vendor the question

If anybody overprints a CAL (Just like any other stamp) it renders it invalid for postage. You can almost do what you like with any stamps or CALs you own but if they are not in original condition then they are basically ruined.
Seasons greetings to all, STEVEN.

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donaldo - 2009-12-30 10:09:00

Anyone any thoughts on the Len Jury CAL set.
Only $175 with the profits to be used by Len Jury Ltd to promote New Zealand philately?!? Cost would be about $30
Who wants to be a 'Team Player'.

warm3 - 2009-12-31 14:07:00

warm3 wrote:

Anyone any thoughts on the Len Jury CAL set.
Only $175 with the profits to be used by Len Jury Ltd to promote New Zealand philately?!? Cost would be about $30
Who wants to be a 'Team Player'.

Dont they already promote it themselves ? ;-)

Seems a bit pricey ?? ;-)

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donaldo - 2009-12-31 15:29:00

Ok first time in here ... I have a lot of stamps, NZ ones and worldwide, my understanding is that you are supposed to only concentrate on one country ... well I like all that I have. I do like the pictorials and anything with trains on them ... trains are a must as I like trains as well as stamps.would love to get my hands on the 1998 1898 pictorial centenary set, only have the 80c one.

bdreid10 - 2009-12-31 16:43:00

donaldo wrote:

interesting--had not looked on it that way--to me the cal situation is very open to abuse and nz post seem to have little control on their end use

Yes there are a couple of 'loose canons' but the greatest prices that are being asked by the Stamp Exhibitions or folk acting on their behalf. The CAL collector is basically being ripped off every which way. Lets say the cost of 1000 CALs can be up to about $800 depending if there is an 'amnesty' [Love this use of the word - NZPO are well paid for running a page through the colour printer.] So lets say 80¢ each, but considering the initial outlay, etc, etc prices of $1 up to $2 depending on whether the owner wants to actually sell [Yes it is their right to choose not our right to be able to buy]. Then we have the problem of the 'middle man' who wants to make big quick profits - this happens with all issues - remember the silver no value stamps. The CAL collector has a scope for collecting that will not break the bank, there is the fun of the 'chase'. We have had about 50 CALs this year with a total cost of less than $40 if you buy the pack. Wouldn't this be more fun to research and write up than the NZ Post year. Those who are ripping off the collector will not be happy till they have killed the CAL. Remember the phone card.
I do appreciate the need to be able to fund the Exhibitions that are held and so many give so much time to make a success but there are limits on the collectors pockets.
I must also mention that NZPO are to be CONGRATULATED for making the end of year pack available, this actually puts ALL the CALs in the collector's hand. Imagine if this did not happen, the entrepreneurs would run riot and really kill the last bastion of collecting.

warm3 - 2009-12-31 17:13:00

BTW
I hope I have encouraged the genuine CAL collector and in fact promoted philately for FREE.

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donaldo - 2009-12-31 18:08:00

donaldo wrote:

but are CALS genuine 'stamps'???
--i always thought that postage stamps main use was to be used as postage on mail

An interesting thought with these CAL issues is that if Post make or allow them to become so prohibitively expensive, difficult to track down and collect, or sufficiently scarce & difficult to access, then they themselves risk shooting themselves in the foot by alienating collector & user interest in them altogether.. ;-)

Telecom's phonecards sorry saga is exactly the right parallel to guage what happens when these large corporates loose direction & favour with collecting interests.. ;-)

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tmg - 2009-12-31 18:56:00

donaldo wrote:

but are CALS genuine 'stamps'???
--i always thought that postage stamps main use was to be used as postage on mail

That is exactly what companies or even private individuals do when they want to advertise their product or a cause that they have some passion in.
Perhaps the large exhibitions [or even as some companies have done - cheap advertising] should be making as many as possible available to collectors at cost so they can use them on their mail as a means of promoting NZ Philately to all rather than ripping off the loyal collector [biting the hand that feeds].

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fredrika - 2009-12-31 21:30:00

fredrika wrote:

Re Len Jury - I am confused, what does he mean by a 'team player' (I don't have his catalogue yet, I just received some advertising material in the mail) and are these LenJury Cals specifically? $170 is much more than I can afford…. I think that is out of my league :-(

Does it mean 'we' are not team players if we don't pour money into Len Jury Ltd so 'they' can promote NZ philately!
I would have thought that loyal collectors are already promoting NZ philately and we are being treated as just more suckers. Sounds like charity work where those in need of the charity are being fleeced.
Come in sucker.

warm3 - 2010-01-01 11:12:00

donaldo wrote:

but are CALS genuine 'stamps'???
--i always thought that postage stamps main use was to be used as postage on mail

Two paragraphs copied from Auckland Philatelic Society, Inc web site
.Customised Advertising Labels (CALS) have been designed by New Zealand Post to give businesses the opportunity to personalise their marketing campaigns, invitations and everyday mail with an image they choose to represent their business identity. They have also been used by philatelic societies as a means of raising revenue for stamp exhibitions. A recent example is the set of two labels issued last year to help fund the Northland 2007 Stamp Exhibition. One of the labels featured a harbour scene, the other a kauri tree and outline map of Northland.

New Zealand Post has pointed out (for example, in the November 2006 issue of its Focus newsletter, that CALs are not considered as stamps by New Zealand Post and do not carry the unique New Zealand Post fern identifier, and most of them do not have the words .New Zealand. on them (exceptions have been the already mentioned Northland Stamp Exhibition labels and the 2nd Kiwipex issues). Because they are not available through the Post Shop network and are therefore not easily available for all New Zealanders they do not meet UPU regulations for a postage stamp.

rebel58 - 2010-01-01 11:47:00

muzz8 wrote:

yes it would be very interesting to get NZposts views on this overprint-i would imagine that if you own the cals than you can do what you like to them----------but to use them on mail is another matter----------- I have asked vendor the question

I suppose the overprinted CAL's could be regarded as Cinderellas?

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donaldo - 2010-01-01 13:29:00

Just a slight change of topic ... I have made a list of questions I have regarding stamps in my collection, shall i post them in here or a new thread?

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donaldo - 2010-01-01 15:12:00

1860 pictorial 1/2d Manuka no perforations along top –value?

1967 pictorial 1c karaka horizontal pair - value?

1975-81 definitive 7c Michelle horizontal pair, and 15c e Huhu - value?

1988 bird definitive 10c dotterel horizontal pair, 20c yellow head horizontal pair, 50c kingfisher horizontal triple, 60c shag horizontal pair –values?

1990 scenic 80c Akaroa used not franked – no gum on back – value?

1991 Bird Definitive 5c Crake Vertical Pair, 45c wren vertical pair – value?

1993 World wildlife fund 45c weta horizontal pair - value?

1994 tourism 45c booklet vertical pair –value?

1994 Kiwiana Booklet 45c strip of 3 bush shirt, buzzy bee, gumboots – value?

1994 Maori Myths 45c Maui horizontal Pair – value?

2005 150 years of NZ 45c chch exhibit discoloured border – cream strip all around the edge not white, have one with white all around.

1970 FDC Royal Visit 10c Silver coat of arms, dark blue queen side-face, stamp 12 mar 1970 – cannot find this in ACS Cat. – value?

1988 Philatelic Centenary stamped 7 oct 1988 not 13 jan 1988 – value?

And last but not least … this is the text from the auction …

This is the King George V postcard, prestamped with a halfpenny stamp printed on it, and with an extra halfpenny stamp added to make it up to one penny during the First World War, when there was a halfpenny War Tax on all mail. Then when later the rate was reduced back down to halfpenny, the card has been surcharged "HALFPENNY", possibly by rubber stamp. The card is unused, and in tidy condition. A slight crease at top left corner which is not really obvious, and does not detract from the beauty of the card.

sorry it is so long!

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donaldo - 2010-01-01 17:04:00

ok thanks, the FDC for the aroyal visit is a wierd one cause it was listed in the acs cat online in 2005, but not the latest one that i can see.

the postcard is to me a little gem as i have never seen or heard of one untilli saw it on here and i just had to have it.

I also have an envelope addressed to somewhere in aussie and it has got the inaugural (sp) airmail mark stamped on it.

bdreid10 - 2010-01-01 17:14:00