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mals69 - 2021-01-07 15:38:00

mals69 wrote:

You appear to either be Tarzan or a Grandmaster ?

Got it in a flash.

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mals69 - 2021-01-07 15:58:00

In reality, houses have never been affordable. When houses here were $40,000 people wouldn't buy them because " well it needs a new roof & I'm not paying $2500 for a roof, it's only worth $40k".
& " No I don't want a free property because then I have to pay rates on it".
Or " No I don't want a free house on a 1/4 + acre sections with 3 sheds because then when I shift out, my landlord will want me to pay the back rent owing of $10,000..."
"House for $40k? Brick 3 bdrm 1960, what side of the railways tracks is it on?.
Oh the south side..
Nah "

marte - 2021-01-07 16:54:00

Have you really seen any of that said Marte, or are you making stuff up to make a point..
Serious question.

mechnificent - 2021-01-07 17:08:00

I've seen sections given away, tho not recently and in not very desirable areas.

apollo11 - 2021-01-07 17:46:00

Yeah but that was given away.. I'd like to know who turns one down because they don't want to pay the rates.

mechnificent - 2021-01-07 17:55:00

mechnificent wrote:

Yeah but that was given away.. I'd like to know who turns one down because they don't want to pay the rates.

The person giving it away didn't want to.

apollo11 - 2021-01-07 17:56:00

I bought my home when it was $57,000 to buy and I tried to get other friends on the property ladder and buy a home for themselves too. Back then there were government help and housing corp loans. I tried and i failed. My friends said that they didn't want the responsibility for owning a home and that the cheaper homes were in the not so good areas. I only bought a two bedroom unit myself. Not a house. Not what I dreamed of but enough for me at the time. Sometimes you cannot help people. and that was back in the 1980s.

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kamo631 - 2021-01-07 18:09:00

apollo11 wrote:

The person giving it away didn't want to.

Perhaps it was too much work for them...

mechnificent - 2021-01-07 18:17:00

mechnificent wrote:

Perhaps it was too much work for them...

They were typically overgrown swampy patches in places like Hawea. Houses in places like Mataura were available for ten grand fifteen years ago. Dumps though.

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gunna-1 - 2021-01-07 18:29:00

So did you grab a few Apollo.. And if not, was it because you didn't want to pay rates ?

Grab me some, I'll pay the rates while I find some desperate person that wants to live there.. There's plenty of desperate people.. Well.. I suppose I'd have to arrange for some sort of govt assistance for them.. but that ok..

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mechnificent - 2021-01-07 19:01:00

Should be able to scam something..

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gunna-1 - 2021-01-07 19:02:00

mechnificent wrote:

So did you grab a few Apollo.. And if not, was it because you didn't want to pay rates ?

Grab me some, I'll pay the rates while I find some desperate person that wants to live there.. There's plenty of desperate people.. Well.. I suppose I'd have to arrange for some sort of govt assistance for them.. but that ok..

If only we'd known that the real estate market would do what it did. But there is more to life than money, I'm happy with what I have. I pity anyone looking for a house in this market though.

apollo11 - 2021-01-07 20:30:00

gunna-1 wrote:

How can we kick rates in the but, thats one i,de like to know.

Live on a boat.

apollo11 - 2021-01-07 20:31:00

apollo11 wrote:

If only we'd known that the real estate market would do what it did. But there is more to life than money, I'm happy with what I have. I pity anyone looking for a house in this market though.

I pity them too.....seems you actually agree with what I say then eh?

lakeview3 - 2021-01-07 20:33:00

apollo11 wrote:

Live on a boat.

trailer park. Seen some good setups. One even had a wee chimney, garden shed, inflatable spa pool and a couple of planters for veges.

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lakeview3 - 2021-01-07 20:34:00

lakeview3 wrote:

I pity them too.....seems you actually agree with what I say then eh?

I have never said that I think houses are cheap. I have said that resourceful people will find a way. I have also said that you are blaming the wrong group again and again for the problem.

apollo11 - 2021-01-07 20:49:00

apollo11 wrote:

I have never said that I think houses are cheap. I have said that resourceful people will find a way. I have also said that you are blaming the wrong group again and again for the problem.

I agree, Our present house has more than doubled in value in 12 years... but I think our kids see this and think, I want to do that! Now i know that that can backfire and I remember when we were trying to sell our first home about 17 years maybe 18? ago that the price slipped from $210K to eventual sale of $150K.... and i tell them this too.
Isn't home ownership more about a stake in ones future? ones security.?
Isn't it worth putting everything else on hold for? Even if it means house sharing, delaying children. etc etc

heather902 - 2021-01-07 21:16:00

heather902 wrote:

I agree, Our present house has more than doubled in value in 12 years... but I think our kids see this and think, I want to do that! Now i know that that can backfire and I remember when we were trying to sell our first home about 17 years maybe 18? ago that the price slipped from $210K to eventual sale of $150K.... and i tell them this too.
Isn't home ownership more about a stake in ones future? ones security.?
Isn't it worth putting everything else on hold for? Even if it means house sharing, delaying children. etc etc

Yep. We put the better part of two incomes into the mortgage, renovated the house in our spare time and were mortgage free in my early thirties (wife is a bit younger). Then we had our family.

apollo11 - 2021-01-07 21:30:00

Oh well - shouldn't we all be grateful for Kiwisaver so that at least there will be a nice little 'nest egg' on retirement which can be used to fund unexpected needs such as a replacement fridge because the 30yr old one just wore out ....

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gunna-1 - 2021-01-08 06:42:00

gunna-1 wrote:

scumbagery

Nice word! I’m going to try to slip that into conversation today ????????????

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gunna-1 - 2021-01-08 07:38:00

gunna-1 wrote:

Ive got a real dump on google earth i walked past the other day, it looks rentable for my income, is yearly wage increases the problem with councle bills, they seem to be through the roof with no services like free rubbish bags.

Central government has foisted more and more responsibility onto local councils- roads, community wellbeing etc and made them foot the bill on the leaky house fiasco. Hence councils are more bloated than they need to be and are very risk averse (consultants). Plus a bit corruption and nepotism sets in over time I'd guess.

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mals69 - 2021-01-08 08:24:00

We need to stop importing so many people. Keep the population static and house prices should settle and then start to fall slowly as more houses are built.

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vintage_betty - 2021-01-08 10:14:00

vintage_betty wrote:

Prohibitions on rental bidding – Rental properties cannot be advertised without a rental price listed, and landlords cannot invite or encourage tenants to bid on the rental (pay more than the advertised rent amount).

Landlords will just inflate the asking rents and drop them if there are no takers.

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kittycatkin - 2021-01-08 13:22:00

kittycatkin wrote:

Here here ?

Where, where ? Do you mean 'Hear, hear.' ?

Behind you.

apollo11 - 2021-01-08 13:22:00

kittycatkin wrote:

It's not a word, and if it was, it would have two gs if it's to be pronounced 'baggery'.

And if it 'were'.

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kittycatkin - 2021-01-08 13:31:00

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There would be no need to build houses if the population stayed the same, who'd buy them ?

We are hardly 'importing people.' Have you heard of the covid pandemic ?

People are still coming in. Heard of quarantine? And I'm sure that once covid is less of an issue it will be business as usual on the immigration front, if not busier.
And houses will still be built for the same reason that they are built now, because someone wants a new house.

apollo11 - 2021-01-08 13:32:00

kittycatkin wrote:

the house they first owned was much smaller than people expect now and was much cheaper in real terms. He said that it was perfectly understandable that people would want a large house rather than a small one, he wasn't saying that they shouldn't....but, of course, large houses cost more than small ones.

The house being built next door is going to be pretty big, but the design wastes a lot of space. Central corridor flanked by H-block main walls, lots of nooks and crannies, walk in wardrobes etc. I think the builder said it was costing $4500 per sqm to build, and looking at the structure I can see why. Massive steel RSJ frame at the front, massive LVL beams everywhere- job is held up because they can't get the nine meter long glu-lam beams out of Aussie- $45000 worth just for the joists in the lounge/kitchen.

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gunna-1 - 2021-01-08 13:48:00

Overseas buyers are already banned from buying NZ houses. I'd be happy to see house ownership as a right for citizens only, if you aren't a citizen, you rent.
If we were to put tariffs on China, they would retaliate and punish us as they have Australia, and there would be a lot more people out of work. There are other avenues where NZ can compete, and do very well too. Software development, games design, industrial design IP, Horticultural etc - we do very well in these fields. Unfortunately we tend to sell off our great ideas as soon as someone flashes a wad of cash. We need to incentivise these companies to keep the profits here. We need to up our game when it comes to local banking, we are sending billions of dollars a year overseas that could be kept here. There are lots of things that could be done to boost the economy, but it will take visionaries and people with courage.

apollo11 - 2021-01-08 14:17:00

How many Ministers does it take to worsen a housing crisis? Five apparently.

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mals69 - 2021-01-09 07:11:00

sweetgurl108 wrote:

How many Ministers does it take to worsen a housing crisis? Five apparently.

Pah. Twyford can do it all by himself!

pcle - 2021-01-09 07:12:00