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1901

Welcome to the Coin Club. We are an assortment of newbies, amateurs and experts with questions and answers for newbies, amateurs and experts in coin collecting, also known as numismatics. Whether you are just getting started, have been collecting for years or have simply found some old coins about the place that you’d like to sell, this is the place to ask your questions.

No one has all the answers, and you may get five differing answers to the same question, yet each may be right in a manner of speaking, especially if opinions are involved. Opinions often vary. If you receive no answer to your query within 48 hours, please ask again.

echoriath - 2013-05-09 06:42:00
1902
rassberryberet wrote:

Hello coin gurus. I have collected a whole lot of pennies and half pennies for jewellery making and have far too many so have decided to part with most of them. I was wondering if there were any rare years i should be looking out for before i sell them as a lot? Would also hate to drill through a rare one if there is any. Thanks, any info appreciated

First, a couple of general questions:

1. What is the date range of the coins?
2. What is the condition of them generally, i.e., are they all quite worn?
3. What countries are they from?

echoriath - 2013-05-09 06:55:00
1903
oldbnz wrote:

Yes does anyone else know anything about my bank notes, see post 1883

Without photos there's not much more that can be said than in my post #1885.

chrisr5 - 2013-05-09 09:44:00
1904

Oh hi, umm yes forgot to mention they are nz pennies and half pennies all in good condition and will check date range shortly, thanks

rassberryberet - 2013-05-09 12:13:00
1905
rassberryberet wrote:

Oh hi, umm yes forgot to mention they are nz pennies and half pennies all in good condition and will check date range shortly, thanks

In that case, scarcer years are 1941&2 for both. In great condition of course. 1945 has some 'burnished' pennies that are valuable but hard to spot. 54&55 are also scarcer years for halfs and 54 for pennies.

The best of the lot is the 56 penny with no shoulder straps with a mintage of (est) 50,000. You have to be sure that its not a case of wear that's made it no straps and apparently there are a lot of fakes.

chrisr5 - 2013-05-10 09:35:00
1906

I should add that all pennies and halfs with no wear and with original lustre, no/minimal toning or stains or spots and before 1960 have a catalogue value of $20 or greater. That goes after cleaning, polishing, drilling, gluing or soldering so choose your subjects carefully!

chrisr5 - 2013-05-10 09:43:00
1907

No one else taking up the question baton so an easy one -

Why did the buffalo leave the mound?

chrisr5 - 2013-05-10 16:49:00
1908
chrisr5 wrote:

No one else taking up the question baton so an easy one -

Why did the buffalo leave the mound?

Because he had struck the third batter out and his team was at bat?

To comfort the crying Native American from those anti-pollution commercials?

echoriath - 2013-05-10 17:05:00
1909

To get to the other side?

translateltd - 2013-05-10 17:10:00
1910
chrisr5 wrote:

No one else taking up the question baton so an easy one -

Why did the buffalo leave the mound?


Buffalo didn't do cow patties they did mounds of poo in fact in many moons past the American Indians would only attack the vast Buffalo herds from the sides as head on was to dangerous from the front (self explanatory) but little is known why they didn't from the rear? Mainly because of thousands of mounds of crap, some mountains of crap as well as the mounds. In fact in some parts of the prairie looked like minefields.When fresh, horses slipped broke legs and got covered in the crap let alone the blinding bug problem.When hard the same but tripping and breaking of legs .This does not take into account of the danger to the riders.
This the answer in short is if the Buffalo did not leave the mound he would drown in his own Crap.
To get to the other side is actually pretty dam close for an answer, In my humble opinion.

Edited by rebel58 at 5:32 pm, Fri 10 May

rebel58 - 2013-05-10 17:31:00
1911

One keeps coming to the conclusion that this is no longer a coin club but an animal antics association. Any way if the bison didn't spend a penny he would burst.
Or perhaps he saw a bull and horseman but that involves different Indians.

Edited by alpha111 at 5:55 pm, Fri 10 May

alpha111 - 2013-05-10 17:48:00
1912

All good answers, I can't decide which is the best. So I'll leave it to first past the post gets to ask the next question.

In recognition of Alpha's valid point however, the next question needs to avoid any involvement of animals.

chrisr5 - 2013-05-10 20:04:00
1913

If I was to say Mule in relation to coins to what would I be referring.

lester36 - 2013-05-10 20:11:00
1914

Weird story:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/06/reddit-user-finds-c
entury-old-coin_n_3224971.html?ncid=webmail28

How does that make its way through a cash till without someone noticing?

echoriath - 2013-05-10 20:12:00
1915
lester36 wrote:

If I was to say Mule in relation to coins to what would I be referring.


Holiday in the Bahamas?

alpha111 - 2013-05-10 20:36:00
1916
alpha111 wrote:


Or perhaps he saw a bull and horseman but that involves different Indians.

This is starting to give me the jitals ...

translateltd - 2013-05-10 20:36:00
1917
echoriath wrote:


How does that make its way through a cash till without someone noticing?

Something a bit weird there, as it's way bigger than anything else currently in circulation. Does it look legit to you? LIBERTY looks a bit too strong for the condition of the coin to me. I also like the idea that he had to do a bit of research to work out what it was, even though the country name, denomination and date are all on the coin. Unless "research" means "reading what was in front of him". Reminds me of my attempt to spend a 1967 DC Day dollar at the Te Papa café a few years ago - the guy first handed it back and said, "Sorry, sir, we don't take British coins here".

translateltd - 2013-05-10 20:41:00
1918
alpha111 wrote:


Holiday in the Bahamas?

Very good suggestion.

But also India

lester36 - 2013-05-10 21:00:00
1919

I'm not sure about authenticity, but that kind of thing turning up is often an indication that someone's coin collection has been stolen and is being spent as "money", a privilege reserved for remarkably few coins that are over 100 years old. The irony is that dollar coins have never really circulated much in the US. I had people there look askance at Sacs, SBDs, presidential dollars, Eisenhowers AND even Kennedy Halves, like I was trying to pay with nails or washers. Even bank tellers occasionally had to read the actual coins to see that they were money.

More irony: At least as recently as 2004 I was often getting rolls of Kennedy halves from tellers in banks when possible and pulling the silver ones (up to eight in a roll of 20!), mostly Kennedies, but also the occasional Franklin and even a Walking Lib!

echoriath - 2013-05-10 21:04:00
1920
lester36 wrote:

Very good suggestion.

But also India

Where NZ is concerned, also Canada (twice), Malaya and the UK.

translateltd - 2013-05-10 21:19:00
1921
chrisr5 wrote:

No one else taking up the question baton so an easy one -

Why did the buffalo leave the mound?

But to return to just a modicum of seriousness, it was to give the denomination shelter from the elements.

translateltd - 2013-05-10 22:43:00
1922

Back before the smaller coins came in it wasn't unusual to find post 1947 florins, shillings and sixpences. But I had one stand out in 2004, when I was given a 1937 Florin in the change.

Not the same as a US 1900 dollar coin, but it stuck in my mind.

Edited by justinian1 at 10:25 am, Sat 11 May

justinian1 - 2013-05-11 10:24:00
1923

Nice one, justinian. Long time, no see, BTW!

Presumably the florin was the same size as an existing denomination? I got a 1936-S Bison in change in the US in 1999. It was not terribly magical in terms of condition (maybe CVF-30?), but I was about to list it here a few years ago when I noticed in the photos I was cropping that the mint mark was repunched!

But that's really the funny thing about US coins: even the 1794 Dollar remains legal tender.

echoriath - 2013-05-11 11:26:00
1924
echoriath wrote:

Nice one, justinian. Long time, no see, BTW!

Presumably the florin was the same size as an existing denomination? I got a 1936-S Bison in change in the US in 1999. It was not terribly magical in terms of condition (maybe CVF-30?), but I was about to list it here a few years ago when I noticed in the photos I was cropping that the mint mark was repunched!

But that's really the funny thing about US coins: even the 1794 Dollar remains legal tender.

I'm usually lurking around, always keep an eye on the conversations going on in here - I've enjoyed the recent running quiz!

The florins were the same size as the old 20 cent pieces and were still legal tender until 2006 when they resized all the coins. The florin was pretty average, but it was the first and only "real" silver coin I got in the change.

justinian1 - 2013-05-11 20:02:00
1925

Until the mid-1970s you could get most pre-1947 silver sixpences, shillings and florins in change as 5c, 10c and 20c pieces. It was only after about 1976 that they pretty much disappeared from circulation for good.

translateltd - 2013-05-11 21:20:00
1926

Gold hitler coin . This listing is at $100. !989 medal to celebrate Adolf's 100th birthday. Someone's making a killing ~ no pun intended.

alpha111 - 2013-05-12 10:56:00
1927
alpha111 wrote:

Gold hitler coin . This listing is at $100. !989 medal to celebrate Adolf's 100th birthday. Someone's making a killing ~ no pun intended.

Why on earth would someone celebrate that?! Whilst I personally can't see anything wrong in collecting nazi memorabilia, anything produced to celebrate is deeply wrong. Not sure why TM haven't removed it.

chrisr5 - 2013-05-12 15:38:00
1928

Hi all Can anyone help me with an identification of this coin please
.http://images.trademe.co.nz/p-
hotoserver/full/267077709.jpg
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/267077645.jpg
It says half penny but is closer to the penny size.
Also it has a 45 degree die rotation .

lester36 - 2013-05-12 17:09:00
1929

Don't know what happened there
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/267077709.jpg

Thats better

Edited by lester36 at 5:13 pm, Sun 12 May

lester36 - 2013-05-12 17:11:00
1930
lester36 wrote:

Don't know what happened there
http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/full/267077709.jpg

Thats better

It's British but I believe you will also find it listed under Canada. I'll have a look in the Withers book on early 19th-century tokens and report back.

translateltd - 2013-05-12 17:24:00
1931

Where do i go to divest myself of some unwanted pre-1960 coinage ?

bibi57 - 2013-05-12 17:34:00
1932

Withers (British Copper Tokens 1811-20) lists it under The British Copper Company, Walthamstow, Essex, three varieties, W610-612, Davis 39-40, 38. It's quite hard to see, but the little rectangular block to the bottom-right of the shield with the Union Jack reads BCC, the company's initials.

translateltd - 2013-05-12 17:36:00
1933

I don't see it in my antiquated copy of Charlton so ignore my Canada comment earlier. Plenty of English tokens of this period circulated there.

translateltd - 2013-05-12 17:40:00
1934

This lion token issued by the British Copper Company has quite a few listings on e bay.

Edited by alpha111 at 5:57 pm, Sun 12 May

alpha111 - 2013-05-12 17:55:00
1935
bibi57 wrote:

Where do i go to divest myself of some unwanted pre-1960 coinage ?

TradeMe is a fine place to do that.

How many coins?
Do you want to get rid of them in one lot?
Are they all NZ coins?
If not, what other countries?
What are the date ranges?
What are the denominations?

echoriath - 2013-05-12 17:58:00
1936

Congrats on 500, alpha! Must be pretty frustrating to have so many trades and yet still take so long to reach a measly 500!

echoriath - 2013-05-12 18:00:00
1937

Thank you. That's because of getting quite a few items over a short period of time from reliable traders. Probably would be a lot higher if everyone had given feedback but it doesn't really worry me. I didn't want the TM shares anyway ! There are better things to spend money on.

alpha111 - 2013-05-12 19:13:00
1938
translateltd wrote:

Withers (British Copper Tokens 1811-20) lists it under The British Copper Company, Walthamstow, Essex, three varieties, W610-612, Davis 39-40, 38. It's quite hard to see, but the little rectangular block to the bottom-right of the shield with the Union Jack reads BCC, the company's initials.

Cheers Thanks for that I found it now.

lester36 - 2013-05-12 21:56:00
1939

thanks for the info chrisr5, much appreciated. :-)

rassberryberet - 2013-05-12 22:09:00
1940

ok have had a look now and have 1941 half penny and 1942 penny also have quite a few very old ones oldest penny is 1915 and half is 1916 will look them up.

rassberryberet - 2013-05-12 22:30:00
1941
rassberryberet wrote:

thanks for the info chrisr5, much appreciated. :-)


You're welcome. Do you collect second hand records BTW?

rassberryberet wrote:

ok have had a look now and have 1941 half penny and 1942 penny also have quite a few very old ones oldest penny is 1915 and half is 1916 will look them up.

If they're British this is a useful page. -
http://www.coins-of-the-uk.co.uk/

Edited by chrisr5 at 5:02 pm, Tue 14 May

chrisr5 - 2013-05-14 16:54:00
1942

Am a general wheeler and dealer, anything in particular?

rassberryberet - 2013-05-14 21:26:00
1943
rassberryberet wrote:

Am a general wheeler and dealer, anything in particular?

I was just thinking about Raspberry Berets, the knd you find in a second hand record store. It was a Prince song.

chrisr5 - 2013-05-14 22:50:00
1944

Haha i love that song obviously!

rassberryberet - 2013-05-15 09:26:00
1945

Filthy lucre - I was reading this article in the Aug 2012 Numismatist about bugs that were cultured off old money,including botulism, diphtheria and possibly leprosy. Some of the bugs implied the coins had been in contact with rotten flesh and postulated poor handling practices by butchers.

So anyone with concerns about the cleanliness of their coins, I'm happy to take them off your hands free of charge. Just pm me.

chrisr5 - 2013-05-15 09:31:00
1946

Postulated or pustulated? This is still an animal topic!

alpha111 - 2013-05-15 16:33:00
1947
alpha111 wrote:

Postulated or pustulated? This is still an animal topic!

Hi Don I hope you are not getting CATTY it really BUGS me when people HORSE around .

lester36 - 2013-05-15 17:56:00
1948

What is the heaviest legal tender gold coin, its weight and what is its face value?

gammoner - 2013-05-15 22:00:00
1949
gammoner wrote:

What is the heaviest legal tender gold coin, its weight and what is its face value?


That would be the 2012 1 tonne Gold Kangaroo Coin.
Face value 1 million dollars.
1 metric tonne of .9999 gold.

lester36 - 2013-05-15 22:21:00
1950

Very good, and a cash in price of just over NZ$55 million.

gammoner - 2013-05-15 22:25:00
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