THE NEW COIN CLUB
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| 1801 | Welcome to the Coin Club. We are an assortment of newbies, amateurs and experts with questions and answers for newbies, amateurs and experts in coin collecting, also known as numismatics. Whether you are just getting started, have been collecting for years or have simply found some old coins about the place that you’d like to sell, this is the place to ask your questions. No one has all the answers, and you may get five differing answers to the same question, yet each may be right in a manner of speaking, especially if opinions are involved. Opinions often vary. If you receive no answer to your query within 48 hours, please ask again. echoriath - 2013-04-28 18:25:00 |
| 1802 | funho1 wrote:
Yup, KM769. The result of a secondary school design competition, apparently. translateltd - 2013-04-28 18:26:00 |
| 1803 | My Question. Under whose reign was the first attempt at machine-making coins in England made and what was the nationality of the minter. lester36 - 2013-04-28 19:21:00 |
| 1804 | translateltd wrote:
One could almost postulate that many modern coins are as the result of secondary and primary school design projects. chrisr5 - 2013-04-28 20:31:00 |
| 1805 | chrisr5 wrote:
Some of them are indeed good enough to qualify as such! Not sure about the rest, though. translateltd - 2013-04-28 21:11:00 |
| 1806 | chrisr5 wrote:
Hey, easy there. That might just be genuinely insulting to some secondary and primary school students. echoriath - 2013-04-28 21:25:00 |
| 1807 | http://www.davidlawrence.com/content.cfm/page/1894-S-Barber- Should qualify as a scarce coin. Apparently one went for auction in 2007 in proof 64 grade for just over US$1.5 million. How much have we got in the quartel at the moment? ETA - source the red book 2011 Edited by chrisr5 at 1:47 pm, Mon 29 Apr chrisr5 - 2013-04-29 13:46:00 |
| 1808 | lester36 wrote:
Good Queen Bess, aka Elizabeth the 1st. By Eloye Mestrelle, a frog (Frenchman), damn his impudence. Apparently no one liked the frogs (they didn't play cricket and there was that whole thing about getting their women to do the fighting) so it didn't catch on until Oliver Cromwell's time when it came into use again. chrisr5 - 2013-04-29 13:59:00 |
| 1809 | John Porteous, in his wonderful general history "COINS", says that the variously-spelled Mestrel(le) was sacked in 1572 following complaints that his work was slow, expensive and ill-done. "Eloi then took to coining on his own account, and in 1578 was hanged for it at Norwich." translateltd - 2013-04-29 14:57:00 |
| 1810 | I should add that Porteous himself says that Mestrel's coins are "neat and pretty, remarkable particularly for their lettering, which is the best on any English coins". If that's the case, the Warden of the Mint's complaints may have been motivated by jealousy rather than fact. translateltd - 2013-04-29 14:59:00 |
| 1811 | Taking Lesters lead, the next question - Who was the next person to attempt mechanical coin striking in Britain, what was his name and nationality? Who was the reigning monarch/protector? chrisr5 - 2013-04-29 15:36:00 |
| 1812 | chrisr5 wrote: lester36 - 2013-04-29 17:39:00 |
| 1813 | I see the Coin Cartel has been mentioned in the Stamp club thread, interesting reading. lester36 - 2013-04-29 19:54:00 |
| 1814 | lester36 wrote:
Spot on of course. Next question to you sir. chrisr5 - 2013-04-29 20:34:00 |
| 1815 | lester36 wrote:
I see plenty of references to "claret" in the latest pages of the stamp thread, which I know is an anagram of cartel ... couldn't see anything specific re coins though. Then again my eyes glaze over when it comes to sticky postage receipt labels. translateltd - 2013-04-29 21:00:00 |
| 1816 | This message was deleted. donaldo - 2013-04-29 21:05:00 |
| 1817 | translateltd wrote:
Ditto that. echoriath - 2013-04-29 21:12:00 |
| 1818 | donaldo wrote:
No, but I would say I've seen more 42s than either 36s or 44s in the past 40 years or so, regardless of the recorded mintages. Would you not say the same? In the mid-1970s I was still able to put almost complete date sets together from pocket change, with the exception of the 36 and 44 in the case of the florins, which I had to buy for a number of dollars each from a dealer - probably way more than catalogue now in terms of actual spending power. Was it because people put them aside believing them to be scarce, thus creating an artificial rarity, which they didn't do with the 42s? Pure supposition on my part. translateltd - 2013-04-29 21:27:00 |
| 1819 | Ok Question. lester36 - 2013-04-29 21:46:00 |
| 1820 | lester36 wrote:
I don't know the answer but the timing is a little uncanny as a copy was shown at the RNSNZ meeting last week - hadn't heard of the book before then! translateltd - 2013-04-29 22:07:00 |
| 1821 | translateltd wrote:
The coin cartel or quartel (sic) was an underground movement in the coin club that was outed by 'honoust (sic) Abe' for apparently forcing down the price of coins to ensure the cartel always secured a bargain. We would then sell high and secure huge profits. Ironically honoust Abe actually outed himself, as that appeared to be similar to his practice - ask for outrageously low prices from unsuspecting vendors then resell super high. Since then he avoids the coin club. chrisr5 - 2013-04-30 08:22:00 |
| 1822 | No, but I would say I've seen more 42s than either 36s or 44s in the past 40 years or so, regardless of the recorded mintages. Quoting translateltd. Edited by alpha111 at 12:40 pm, Tue 30 Apr alpha111 - 2013-04-30 12:38:00 |
| 1823 | I obtained a "dealer's stock" of NZ coins some years ago, which contained a disproportionately high number of 1936 florins and 1961 halfcrowns - clearly put aside for the future rather than turned around straight away. Perhaps multiplying that "putting aside" practice among many dealers and collectors over the years helped to compound the perceived scarcity. I can imagine a sort of circular effect, i.e. when people noticed that particular years were harder to come by than others they would put them aside, thus making them even harder to come by until the stocks start working their way back into the system. (And yes, most of the coins I mentioned above have been sold in the meantime!) This theory doesn't get us any closer to explaining how the 1942s escaped this process, though it would seem they were among the years that kept being moved through rather than hoarded. translateltd - 2013-04-30 13:48:00 |
| 1824 | I never realised 3 pences were so popular. chrisr5 - 2013-04-30 20:34:00 |
| 1825 | chrisr5 wrote:
Eh? translateltd - 2013-04-30 22:28:00 |
| 1826 | 586529758 is not a bad-looking item, but there is a reason why it "never circulated" ... translateltd - 2013-04-30 22:34:00 |
| 1827 | translateltd wrote:
LOL chrisr5 - 2013-04-30 23:01:00 |
| 1828 | translateltd wrote:
From your response you might possibly have seen the auction but just in case you didn't - 585967195 chrisr5 - 2013-04-30 23:01:00 |
| 1829 | chrisr5 wrote:
That's an "oops". Hope Howard can get his selling fees refunded! translateltd - 2013-05-01 09:10:00 |
| 1830 | Does anyone know if significantly underweight current currency is a common issue? Had a 2008 20c rejected by vending machine and it weighs in at 3.92g as opposed to stated weight of 4g which seems to usually be anything from 4.00-4.07g. There was no significant wear to the coin to explain it being underweight. chrisr5 - 2013-05-01 11:27:00 |
| 1831 | translateltd wrote: alpha111 - 2013-05-01 17:40:00 |
| 1832 | chrisr5 wrote:
Clearly you were not a "serious" bidder. echoriath - 2013-05-01 18:29:00 |
| 1833 | echoriath wrote:
My report said must try harder. BUT I get to try again as they were relisted. :-) chrisr5 - 2013-05-01 18:50:00 |
| 1834 | 588412017 alpha111 - 2013-05-01 19:47:00 |
| 1835 | chrisr5 wrote:
Would be interesting to know what the machine tolerances are. If 0.07g over is fine, then 0.08g under is in the same sort of margin. translateltd - 2013-05-01 22:19:00 |
| 1836 | So I could monkey wrench the international vending machine conglomerates by filing off a bit of heaps of coins and reintroducing them into circulation? Hmmmmmm...... echoriath - 2013-05-01 23:24:00 |
| 1837 | echoriath wrote:
Isn't that what caused the fall of the Roman Empire? People clipping all the coins and causing the vending machines to pack up. chrisr5 - 2013-05-01 23:31:00 |
| 1838 | chrisr5 wrote:
You could be onto something there. Gibbon clearly overlooked that aspect. translateltd - 2013-05-02 09:30:00 |
| 1839 | This message was deleted. stephenb1 - 2013-05-02 11:54:00 |
| 1840 | Not a banknote expert by any means but I seem to recall tales of polymer notes shrinking when exposed to heat (e.g. hot-water wash cycles). No way of knowing if that's what's happened here but it's a possibility. translateltd - 2013-05-02 13:16:00 |
| 1841 | I can only presume that it has had heat applied to it whilst in a press or something similar as normally they crinkle up with heat, as well. Regardless of how it happened it is certainly man-made and thus worth ten dollars. Of course if it was done deliberately then the person who did it has breached the currency laws of the nation by deliberately defacing the currency. nznotes - 2013-05-02 15:33:00 |
| 1842 | It might be Hobbit money. wasgonna - 2013-05-02 16:23:00 |
| 1843 | wasgonna wrote:
Or a shrinkydink. chrisr5 - 2013-05-03 08:12:00 |
| 1844 | lester36 wrote:
William Tell? chrisr5 - 2013-05-03 09:17:00 |
| 1845 | I contacted the owner of the book and he tells me it's To Pierre and Marie-Louise Pariat of Lausanne whoever they were ... translateltd - 2013-05-03 11:16:00 |
| 1846 | translateltd wrote:
And the winner is "YOU" well done. lester36 - 2013-05-03 17:53:00 |
| 1847 | lester36 wrote:
Blast. Have to think of a new question now. Here we go, to see who's been reading the latest coin mags: What part did Jean Emerson play in 20th-century British coinage? translateltd - 2013-05-03 18:18:00 |
| 1848 | Back to animals again!! Did she ride a hose? And become a model? alpha111 - 2013-05-03 20:02:00 |
| 1849 | Very good of you Lester! chrisr5 - 2013-05-03 20:46:00 |
| 1850 | alpha111 wrote:
Wasn't that Lady Godiva? chrisr5 - 2013-05-03 20:47:00 |
